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03-03-2003, 07:38 PM #1Web Hosting Master
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HostCharge lawsuit, time is running out ...
We've only had an account with HostCharge for a short time, due to our merchant account not yet being ready and wanting to move away from PaySystems. Currently, they owe us almost $30,000 (a few dollars less), since November.
While $30,000 isn't a whole world, it is still quite an amount of cash and we've been trying to resolve this since November peacefully, however keep getting excuses that the wire transfer has been sent, 2 weeks later is has been sent again and then another 4 weeks later, we get told that their merchant bank is not releasing the money and now there is still nothing on our account.
We have contacted their merchant bank and so far, according to them, they have not been able to find any trace that HostCharge has made this wire transfer request to our account.
Since Trevor MacGill, the owner of HostCharge, is a former employee of MCHost, we do have all the true contact information, which is not the address in London listed in the HostCharge whois, but the true address in Eastern Canada.
If you are being owed money (whether $50 or $5000) by HostCharge, please email me at marc@mchost.com so that we can include your details in our lawsuit which will be prepared tomorrow and you will most probably get your money. Additionally, we are discussing this with RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) officials for possible fraud.
Thanks.Marc Wyss - marc@mchost.com
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03-03-2003, 08:09 PM #2Web Hosting Master
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03-03-2003, 08:17 PM #3Web Hosting Master
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Out of curiosity, are you naming HostCharge, or Trevor in the lawsuit?
Also, if you are filing in US Court, what's the basis of jurisdiction? Not saying there isn't any - i just can't think of how it would play in the courts...0
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03-03-2003, 09:03 PM #4Web Hosting Master
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We'll be naming HostCharge, most probably. However, HostCharge is owned by Trevor MacGill who is located in Canada. This is going to a Canadian court.
Marc Wyss - marc@mchost.com
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03-03-2003, 09:06 PM #5Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by akash
Out of curiosity, are you naming HostCharge, or Trevor in the lawsuit?
Also, if you are filing in US Court, what's the basis of jurisdiction? Not saying there isn't any - i just can't think of how it would play in the courts...0
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03-03-2003, 09:09 PM #6Newbie
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Marc,
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03-03-2003, 09:15 PM #7Web Hosting Master
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MC Host is Canadian. Makes it easy.
So if any US clients wanted to join in on the suit, would that be possible in Canadian courts?0
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03-03-2003, 09:23 PM #8Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by UmBillyCord
MC Host is Canadian. Makes it easy.
I have already received information from 6 people who HostCharge owes money too, which i'm sure will make court decisions easier.Marc Wyss - marc@mchost.com
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03-03-2003, 09:26 PM #9WHT Addict
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I have to ask. What is the purpose of suing them if the bank won't release the money? Even if you win you will still have to wait for bank to release the money plus you'll be out lawyer fees.
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03-03-2003, 09:29 PM #10Web Hosting Master
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I'm not sure how canadian courts work, but if i were to name HC in a US lawsuit, I could name HC plus the owners themselves which would make any of their US assets liable to liquidation..
I'm assuming Marc's goal is the same...0
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03-03-2003, 10:33 PM #11Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by akash
I'm not sure how canadian courts work, but if i were to name HC in a US lawsuit, I could name HC plus the owners themselves which would make any of their US assets liable to liquidation..
I'm assuming Marc's goal is the same...0
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03-03-2003, 11:18 PM #12Web Hosting Master
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ubc,
in this case you usually claim negligence/willful mismanagement on the part of exec officers of the corp and go after their insurance money (if present) and their assets (in absence of the former).
contrary to popular belief, asset protection is meant to protect those who invested in a business that failed, not those who incoproprated in order to commit fraud and obtain a get out of jail free ticket.
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03-03-2003, 11:20 PM #13Web Hosting Master
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What about negligence on the part of the owners/directors/managers? Couldn't that be used as just cause to hold them liable? Of course you'd have to prove them to be negligent...
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03-03-2003, 11:30 PM #14Web Hosting Master
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hey i live in london ontario canada... if that helps lol
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03-03-2003, 11:57 PM #15Web Hosting Master
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Im going to start watching cops
bad boys bad boys watcha gonna do watcha gonna do when they come for you
However I think Ashar is the crook behind hostcharge and Trevor is not entirely to blame.
Ashar is the one who should be brought back to the us and taken through our courts system He is truly a crookSometimes life seems like a dream, especially when I look down and see that I forgot to put on my pants0
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03-04-2003, 12:05 AM #16Web Hosting Guru
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If the bank is not releasing the money, then a law suit against host charge will not do you any good. What you have to do is fill in a lawsuit with hostcharge against the bank.
If host charge has the money and not actually releasing it to you guys then he'll probably end up filling a Bankruptcy and it still wont be any good for you guys.
Marc, with MChost's income which you state is pretty high why didnt you get a Merchant Account as for the difference in commision fees alone would pay for a full-time billing staff. Not considering all other factors.0
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03-04-2003, 12:22 AM #17Junior Guru
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Originally posted by Sina
Marc, with MChost's income which you state is pretty high why didnt you get a Merchant Account as for the difference in commision fees alone would pay for a full-time billing staff. Not considering all other factors.Cooper.
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03-04-2003, 12:23 AM #18WHT Addict
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I believe Marc said in the 1st post he was using HostCharge temporarily till his Merchant Account got set up.
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03-04-2003, 12:23 AM #19Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by Sina
If the bank is not releasing the money, then a law suit against host charge will not do you any good. What you have to do is fill in a lawsuit with hostcharge against the bank.
If host charge has the money and not actually releasing it to you guys then he'll probably end up filling a Bankruptcy and it still wont be any good for you guys.
Marc, with MChost's income which you state is pretty high why didnt you get a Merchant Account as for the difference in commision fees alone would pay for a full-time billing staff. Not considering all other factors.
Hostcharge should have taken suit against the bank long ago, they chose not to probably to save money...that was their choice and there are consequences for that.
Maybe you forgot to read the post?! Marc said he used Hostcharge for a short amount of time while they transitioned from PaySystems to his merchant account.0
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03-04-2003, 12:57 AM #20Web Hosting Master
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It's one for the legal eagles to chase. I take it that they owe mchost 30k Canadian $$$$? Let's hope that all those who are owed $$$ by hostcharge, get paid.
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03-04-2003, 01:00 AM #21WHT Addict
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HostCharge bills in USD so it prolly more like $45K CAD.
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03-04-2003, 01:53 AM #22Web Hosting Guru
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Originally posted by brandonk
Maybe you forgot to read the post?! Marc said he used Hostcharge for a short amount of time while they transitioned from PaySystems to his merchant account.
I assume you didnt read my post, Im not talking about right now, I read mark stating to bring in $$$$ more than 6 months ago and getting a merchant account doesnt take a couple of months as a proper and well known one can be setup within 48 hours.
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03-04-2003, 02:03 AM #23Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by rusko
ubc,
in this case you usually claim negligence/willful mismanagement on the part of exec officers of the corp and go after their insurance money (if present) and their assets (in absence of the former).
contrary to popular belief, asset protection is meant to protect those who invested in a business that failed, not those who incoproprated in order to commit fraud and obtain a get out of jail free ticket.
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03-04-2003, 02:07 AM #24Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by Aussie Bob
It's one for the legal eagles to chase. I take it that they owe mchost 30k Canadian $$$$? Let's hope that all those who are owed $$$ by hostcharge, get paid.Marc Wyss - marc@mchost.com
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03-04-2003, 02:09 AM #25Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by MCHost-Marc
US funds.Last edited by Aussie Bob; 03-04-2003 at 02:36 AM.
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