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03-02-2012, 03:34 PM #1WHT Addict
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Plesk vs. Kloxo/ Webmin
Kloxo & Webmin are control panels (free of cost) which enable you to add multiple domains, manage files, email accounts etc on the VPS.
Plesk does the same thing but retails at USD 70 (!) per month.
Plesk is undoubtedly prettier to look at. Very neat & professional.
But is there a functional difference between Plesk & Kloxo/ Webmin?
Is there anything that one can do with Plesk that cannot be done with Kloxo/ Webmin?
I can't figure out any functional difference.
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03-02-2012, 04:40 PM #2Web Hosting Guru
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I'm assuming you're using Linux with Centos 5?
Here's my experience. As of Plesk 9.5 or so, I have seen a steady decline in the QA of this product before release. Each successive release would seem to have a bugs that would impact some key functionality. The 10.x series was a nightmare for me because, in addition to bugs, the interface was horrible. I ended up going to CPanel and never looked back. From what I have heard, Plesk on Windows is great, though.
If I had to choose, between the two, I would take Kloxo in a heartbeat. The only issue would be that the interface there can get a little confusing and you're pretty much restricted to Centos 5 as Centos 6 is not supported.
I am confused by your $70/month statement, though. For a VPS license, Plesk can run between $5-15/month (on average) with most hosts. Why so much? A CPanel license for a VPS is usually $15, at most. So, I am wondering who quoted you that number.
Edit: I think I missed part of your question. On a VPS, I don't remember not being able to do something in Kloxo that I was not able to do in Plesk, with the exception of some plugins for Plesk (Gameserver, VPN, SAMBA, etc).Last edited by jaypeesmith; 03-02-2012 at 04:43 PM. Reason: Further explanation
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03-02-2012, 06:37 PM #3Web Host Reviewer
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Kloxo is not reliable. I recently had a VPS where the Kloxo admin interface just quit working. Nobody at the lxcenter forums could figure it out, and a number of people ran into the same issue. To date, there's been no resolution. That's horrible. Because it was just a dev/test server, I plan to wipe it and test something else. Kloxo failed.
Plesk is a mature commercial product with far fewer issues.
Webmin isn't really a "panel" in the same sense as Kloxo, Plesk, cPanel, etc.
VirtualMin is the panel.
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03-02-2012, 07:13 PM #4Norwegian polar bear hunter
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I'm using Plesk 9.5, and refuse to upgrade to Plesk 10. Do not like the interface.
But back to the question.
The last weeks I have tested out Kloxo og Virtualmin on small CentOS VPS plans, and I have to say that I like Virtualmin (webmin) better then Kloxo.
I think Kloxo have to much going on. And Virtualmin has a more easy setup, and it's works right after the installation.
With Kloxo I have had problems getting domains live etc. Never a issue in Virtualmin.
So long as I keep my main VPS (and my backup vps) I will still using Plesk.
But on my smaller test sites, and if I get a new VPS, I will use Virtualmin.My Top 20 benchmark list (and review site)
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03-02-2012, 07:27 PM #5Web Hosting Guru
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I would agree that Virtualmin is the better of the two free options. Sorry to not have caught that earlier.
Virtualmin is a breeze to set up, also. Typically, you just kick of the script and let it go.
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03-02-2012, 07:34 PM #6Web Hosting Master
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if you know the linux than the Webmin will do the job, otherwise the Plesk, as the Kloxo is slow, unreliable, awful GUI and the configuration are normally not right and not simple as supposed to be, I had expirience, majority time much easier to update setting via ssh than Kloxo control panel.
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03-02-2012, 11:38 PM #7WHT Addict
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I think I am missing something. This is what the plesk website says (http://www.parallels.com/store/plesk/linux/):
Leasing (monthly - includes SUS)*
Hosting Suite – Unlimited Domains
Includes Parallels Web Presence Builder (100 Domains) and Parallels Plesk Customer & Business Manager (1,000 Clients).
$69.99 / month
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$39.99 / month
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03-03-2012, 12:52 AM #8Retired Moderator
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Plesk has a development team that is full time to back it up with professional support. Kloxo looks good but if I am doing shared hosting I would feel safer with Plesk. But of course if I can use Cpanel or Directadmin, I would rather go for these.
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03-03-2012, 06:52 AM #9Norwegian polar bear hunter
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If you rent a license direct from Plesk youhave to pay lots more then if you rent a license from a webhoster when you rent a server from them.
The big hosters has big discounts.
But what is your're question? How to get Plesk cheaper then direct lease from Parallels, or what control panel you can use for free, and what CP who is the best of the free one?My Top 20 benchmark list (and review site)
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03-03-2012, 07:24 AM #10Junior Guru
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Plesk is sold through resellers/Partners, so the pricing on Parallels website doesn't reflect what you can acquire the licenses for.
Comparing Plesk, which is an extremely robust control panel system designed to increase ARPU and client stickiness to a free 'solution' is laughable
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03-03-2012, 11:09 AM #11Web Hosting Guru
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I understand, now. I imagine that, if you're going through a host, this cost will go down drastically, depending on the number of sites you plan on hosting.
But, if you are going to pay for a panel, get WHM/CPanel. You can host as many sites as you can handle and pay, at most, $15/month for the license.
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03-03-2012, 12:01 PM #12Disabled
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cPanel is by far the best, but I have used Kloxo before and was pleased with it. Reminds me a lot of cPanel but it lacks the support for the product which is its only downside. Too bad they didnt support and develop it more, it is a good product.
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03-04-2012, 02:31 AM #13Junior Guru Wannabe
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Most folks seem to recommend cPanel, which is very user friendly and has a lot of great options. However if the price is too high, consider DirectAdmin which I think is cheaper than Plesk.
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03-06-2012, 05:10 PM #14Junior Guru Wannabe
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Linux:
Cpanel = Best Paid panel
Webmin/Virtualmin = best free panel
Windows:
Plesk = best paid panel
WebsitePanel = best free panel
Overall though i would only use linux panels for hosting as windows has too many hidden license fees that cut into your profit margin. WIndows has also been known to take up a lot of memory and resources. That's just in my experience though.
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03-06-2012, 06:12 PM #15Norwegian polar bear hunter
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I have used Virtualmin (webmin) for some weeks now, and I'm more and more impressed over this free control panel.
It's a new world opening up for me. I have been to Plesk addicted, that I have not tried anything (beside Cpanel that I don't like).
For the first time in years I can think of using cheap and small VPS plans, since I'm now don't need to think that the VPS has to run Plesk.
So go Virtualmin (webmin). So simple, so easy to use.My Top 20 benchmark list (and review site)
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03-07-2012, 12:23 AM #16Newbie
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Webmin is a great control panel, even more so if you have a good understanding of Linux systems. I prefer to use it on my own systems or if I am in control of the hosting accounts and websites.
However, cPanel/WHM is the only control panel I would use if I was selling hosting.
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03-07-2012, 12:23 AM #17WHT Addict
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I agree. I tried Virtualmin and was quite impressed.
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03-07-2012, 02:58 AM #18Disabled
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Yep, Webmin with Virtualmin theme is the best choice from free control panels. It's not using any standalone web server with php or mysql to run. So it doesn't depends on it. Webmin is simple ant fast, you can customize it as you want, there are many plugins for it.
As for commercial ones, my choice is DirectAdmin and Cpanel. The simpler the better.
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03-07-2012, 06:34 AM #19Web Hosting Master
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the only disadvantage I found with VM is, it eats up lots of resources compared to kloxo, unless you optimize it properly.
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03-07-2012, 02:00 PM #20Web Hosting Master
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I'm really surprised at some of the negative comments about Kloxo in this thread. If you install Kloxo in CentOS 5 32-bit and follow instructions you shouldn't observe any stability problems. And don't try to run the stripped-down versions with tinydns & lighttpd. Install it with BIND & Apache.
If there is a problem with Kloxo it's with control panel updates. Kloxo developers evidently don't do a lot of field testing updates before they are released. I suggest making a full off-premise backup before updating Kloxo, and do the update at a time when you can verify that everything is working (DNS records intact, webmail interface working, FTP server is up, and what not).
I've been running Kloxo commercially for several years. I'll put the stability of my servers up against ANY control panel product, including cPanel or Plesk.
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03-08-2012, 04:18 AM #21Web Hosting Guru
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I've tried both virtualmin and kloxo and the last comments pretty much sum it up....
virtualmin is more stable and reliable, but its development is slower and its not so feature feature rich (you wont see nginx proxying for years, if ever), yet you can still do a lot of tweaking but there are limits to what you can do.
while on the other end kloxo developed is much faster and more feature rich, it has a much lower fingerprint as well, but its mostly for the sake of stability, you should have backups while updating kloxo, and maybe not update right away hehehe
as far as plesk is concern, i would stay away, i havent seen a version i was happy with, its clunky and underwhelming in function and performance, if you are going to pay for a panel go with the king cpanel or the underdog directadmin, they will be way more reliable and customizable!^_^.oO( im in hostcult.com huhumm i'm also hosted by: servint, jaguarpc and dreamhost its all good hehehe )
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03-08-2012, 05:51 AM #22WHT Addict
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03-13-2012, 08:09 PM #23Newbie
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I'm not setting up a server from scratch.... I've got a VPS running WHM/cPanel, but in a day job that sometimes pays me, they're using an ISP using Webmin. They used to be cPanel but switched for some ungodly reason. I can not say anything good about Webmin. It is a waste of time. It is constantly screwing with my Drupal site on the server. It drops email for no reason, the UI is about as logical as a monkey's butt. I have not spent much time with Plesk but I know it wasn't too bad. I love WHM/cPanel.... all the more when I have to waste hours upon hours tracking down weird issues that are never ending with Webmin. If you have semi knowledgeable customers you want to get rid of... use Webmin. It's like being forced to use Windows when you've been using Mac OS X since before it came to market. If you haven't guessed already I really don't like Webmin.
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03-13-2012, 08:37 PM #24Junior Guru Wannabe
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Are you using webmin with virtualmin? The two of them make things so much easier. Also, if you have issues, always use the virtualmin forum. they are amazing and very helpful there and will do anything possible to help you fix your issue. Once you learn the ins/outs of virtualmin/webmin it's a very nice free panel.
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03-13-2012, 10:00 PM #25Web Hosting Master
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When you say webmin, I take it that you are talking about webmin with the virtualmin add-on. I use webmin, but I don't use Virtualmin for reasons you describe. Instead, I use Kloxo for my hosting control panel.
I like webmin alone as a Linux administration interface. The user friendliness is sensitive to the theme you use. I use Old Webmin Theme because I've been accustomed to that interface for a very long time, so I know where everything is.
Don't discount webmin just because the Virtualmin add-on isn't ready for prime time yet.
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