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12-05-2006, 06:43 PM #1Web Hosting Guru
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Forum sites hosted on Mosso / MT / TGL?
I'm seriously considering hosting a forum site on one of the new grid/cluster web host providers. Specifically, I'm looking at mosso.com's The Hosting System, mediatemple.net's Grid-Server, and thegridlayer.com's GridLayer TGL 100 package.
I'm concerned about performance.
If anyone knows of any moderately busy forum sites hosted using these forums that are accessible to a guest, I'd appreciate having a link posted here so I can browse the forums and see how fast they load.
I've tried a couple I found, but all of them seem to load slowly for me (over 10 seconds a page load) making me think these webhosts might not be for me.Kevin, The Walrus
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12-05-2006, 07:46 PM #2Web Hosting Master
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http://bukowski.net/forum/ is vBulletin running on the Mediatemple grid servers.
http://guerillapoetics.org/forum/ is an SMF forum on the same grid server account.
Speed has not generally been an issue, but there are occasional MySQL connection errors. They say these will be fixed when they upgrade the grid OS on 12/7.
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12-06-2006, 03:12 PM #3Web Hosting Master
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do a "hosted by PROVIDER" search (with the quotes!!) in Google, that always gives the results you need, for example it appears these sites are hosted by Mosso:
http://bestblogsmedia.com/
http://www.truepress.com/
MT:
http://www.techcrunch.com/
http://www.onyro.com/
http://www.karmadude.com/
http://www.counterjumper.com/
http://www.concretehermit.com/
http://www.heavywinter.com/
TGL:
No results...
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12-06-2006, 03:35 PM #4Web Hosting Guru
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Good idea for the Google search. Thanks.
Originally Posted by amygdela
The MT sites all seem to load quickly, but I think the complaints about MT have been in regards to intermittent services problems (especially failure to connect to MySQL).
I have yet to find anyone hosting a real site with TGL, but I suspect since it is Xen based and are really selling VPSs, the speed should be comparable to any VPS that is allocated a certain amount of memory.Kevin, The Walrus
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12-06-2006, 03:47 PM #5Web Hosting Guru
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Originally Posted by AWalrus
I just pulled every box I have out of Layered Tech because the support has become farsical at best. I'm catching gripe after gripe from people I know who tried MT. The data you collected on Mosso sites speaks for itself.
Neither one is a good option.
If you want a step by step on how to setup a few Xen boxes to suit your needs, PM me , its free - knowledge (especially of OS products) should always be free. If you like you can buy me a beer for the 30 minutes it would take to write the tutorial for you.
Please consider giving Xen a try, it would much better suit your needs, and you would be in complete control of your network.
It would be easier to manage than you would think.
Best,
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12-25-2006, 08:44 AM #6Junior Guru Wannabe
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Originally Posted by AWalrus
AWalrus, can you please give us the link?''I wouldn’t mind going to jail if I had three cellmates who played bridge.'' (Warren Buffett)
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12-25-2006, 02:22 PM #7Junior Guru Wannabe
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AWalrus, please let me know as soon as you can because I would like to go with mosso.com, but if what you said is true, then I'll take a dedicated!
''I wouldn’t mind going to jail if I had three cellmates who played bridge.'' (Warren Buffett)
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12-25-2006, 02:40 PM #8Web Hosting Guru
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One piece of advice I can offer to anyone moving over to any of the solutions discussed above :
Log your query times proactively.
You (or any php code you hire) can, from within your scripts see how long a DB query takes very easily .. and if it exceeds a certain amount of time its useful to log the following :
Table, Select statement, table type, # of fields, # of returned rows (and possibly more).
This tells you if your host's clustered MySQL server has a problem with .. say .. innodb queries returning more than 100 rows with xx fields used in crafting the select or update syntax.
It is *very* hard to hold your host accountable for performance for a few reasons,
1 - Sometimes the host can't duplicate your problem
2 - The host will not be keeping these types of logs (other than slow queries)
3 - Some hosts aren't going to be eager to fess up to issues with their sql cluster.
4 - They can be quick to blame poorly designed databases for issues they (themselves) are causing. Sometimes this is indeed the case.. such as a heavily modded forum.. other times (and most often) not.
Be sure to have your own source of information and statistics
Best,
--Tim
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12-25-2006, 05:15 PM #9Aspiring Evangelist
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Uneasysilence is on Mosso, theyre pages loaded fast
http://uneasysilence.com/
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12-25-2006, 11:15 PM #10Location = SoapBox
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Originally Posted by ItBroker
How large is your forum? How many simultaneous users in peak periods?
If this board can be hosted on Mosso or MT, I think you will find several shared environments that can handle it. Additionally, many other clustered providers exist that do not oversell their environment like this and allow for better overall performance.
You may in fact need a dedicated server, however, I do not think that will vary from Mosso/MT to anyone else. In fact, based on their pricing model, it is completely reasonable to assume that you may be able to stay in a shared environment longer with other providers.www.cartika.com
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12-25-2006, 11:37 PM #11Junior Guru Wannabe
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Hello CartikaHosting,
I expect to soon arrive at 150ish concurrent users at peak hours.
It is a phpbb with a mysql database. No features like uploads, games, etc - just the basic board.
I have problems with dedicated because I never used one, and I really don't have time to learn how to manage a server.
Mosso looks good and 100$/monthly is ok for my budget, but I have a question for you: is in your opinion Mosso a good surrogate of a dedicated server?
Or it would be wiser for me to take a different shared enviroment from another hosting company?
Thank you for your help, I really appreciate it.
Merry Christmas to you and your family!''I wouldn’t mind going to jail if I had three cellmates who played bridge.'' (Warren Buffett)
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12-25-2006, 11:44 PM #12Location = SoapBox
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Hello ItBroker,
I have problems with dedicated because I never used one, and I really don't have time to learn how to manage a server.
Mosso looks good and 100$/monthly is ok for my budget, but I have a question for you: is in your opinion Mosso a good surrogate of a dedicated server?
Having said all of this, you can find shared environments that can accomodate your forum - the highest I think that is feasible in a shared environment, even under ideal situations is 150-200 simultaneous users. You can expect to pay $50-$75/month or so for this. (also, there are "semi-dedicated" environments where you can share a server with just 3 or 4 clients - but, the price for these, if they truely offer what they advertise tend to be quite similar to an entry level managed server - so, you would probably be better off with that route)
Thank you for your help, I really appreciate it.
Merry Christmas to you and your family!www.cartika.com
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12-26-2006, 09:21 AM #13Junior Guru
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Originally Posted by AWalrus
I also have had great speed on mosso. And, the control panel speed is MUCH faster now.
Not sure why mosso would not be appropriate for one larger site. Seems perfect for it to me. Just because you do not use the reseller tools does not mean you cannot take advantage of the clustering technologies.
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12-26-2006, 03:37 PM #14Location = SoapBox
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Here is a review which counters this (and also talks about the shortcomings): http://twod.co.uk/
I also have had great speed on mosso. And, the control panel speed is MUCH faster now.
Not sure why mosso would not be appropriate for one larger site. Seems perfect for it to me.
Just because you do not use the reseller tools does not mean you cannot take advantage of the clustering technologies.www.cartika.com
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12-27-2006, 11:20 AM #15Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by CartikaHosting
I'm going to disagree that their model is overselling. Well, overselling dangerously. I'm probably a typical client - we have a dozen sites there pushing about 100GB. That's a lot of bandwidth, but for $100, they're probably still making money.
I'd in fact go so far as to say their average customer uses even less bandwidth/resources than we do. Sure, there will be an outlier here and there but on average Mosso will "win" when a client doesn't use much bandwidth.
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01-21-2007, 11:07 AM #16Junior Guru
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another forum that appears to be powered by mosso. looks pretty small, but is an example.
http://www.aswarmofangels.com/