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Thread: 30+ Gbps Attack Anyone?
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08-04-2010, 10:52 PM #126Junior Guru Wannabe
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So you have many users in china or you are being attacked by many computers in china?
Usually people don't say "im being ddosed by china" Is the DDOS attack also coming from anywhere else but china?
I would suggest tho that if you make no money from having all of this traffic from china then block it anyway (attack or not).
The funny thing about this is that Ive had customers blocked by china and it appears to be very easy to get china to block you if you have porn content. When my customers were blocked by china's firewall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Shield_Project) it affected the entire country (besides hong kong). So I guess you can start serving a lot of porn and then spam china with your porn and I'm sure your ip will be blocked. When it has happened to my clients I notice that the entire IP was blocked from the country. Type:
"is my website banned in china" into google. It happens to a lot of people and there's tools to check if you're banned.
I believe facebook and myspace are even banned.
I'm telling you its EASY to get on the ban list in china and that's what you want.
I can also help you get IP's that are already blocked by china.
Good luckLast edited by Dcommunications; 08-04-2010 at 10:56 PM. Reason: update
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08-05-2010, 02:26 AM #127******* Unleaded
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08-05-2010, 02:49 AM #128Junior Guru Wannabe
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Last edited by Dcommunications; 08-05-2010 at 02:54 AM. Reason: needed sarcasm
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08-05-2010, 06:26 PM #129Newbie
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1) He said that the DDoS wasn't affecting him, just his upstream
2) He said that a large portion of his customers are from China, and that losing traffic there isn't desirable.
So yeah, you should've read the first few posts at least, prior to posting useless advice.
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08-05-2010, 09:24 PM #130Junior Guru
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Srin, I don't know you but imagine if you are getting annoyed with people throwing their 2 cents every once a while thinking they are coming with something that would fix the day while it isn't. Imagine how I am starting to feel about this.
A couple of people came up with good ideas which we are actually in persuit of.
However, the issue of peace and war dc's although we have 2 physical DC locations and different providers it is difficuilt to seperate chinese.
Peering agreement with China Telecom is currently in consideration.
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08-05-2010, 09:56 PM #131Web Hosting Master
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That would be interesting if it's a (comparatively) low bandwidth peering interconnect. Announce your routes to China Telecom over peering, so that link absorbs (and starves) the brunt of the inbound flood.
Legitimate outbound traffic TO China Telecom could be engineered so that the bulk of it is sent over your regular transit links, rather than over the (lower bandwidth) peering.
The downside is legitimate requests (and ACKs) would contend for bandwidth inbound, but it does shift the burden of the flood onto China Telecom and off your transit providers.
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08-05-2010, 11:19 PM #132Randy
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The downside is legitimate requests (and ACKs) would contend for bandwidth inbound, but it does shift the burden of the flood onto China Telecom and off your transit providers.Fast Serv Networks, LLC | AS29889 | DDOS Protected | Managed Cloud, Streaming, Dedicated Servers, Colo by-the-U
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08-06-2010, 12:05 AM #133Junior Guru
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True, but I have already responded their are better ways if we have peering with China Telecom to handle it. I'd rather not discuss them in public as they can be used to evade the procedure once (if) implemented.
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08-06-2010, 02:39 AM #134Junior Guru
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And what incentive do they have to follow them besides the assumption that both they and their commanders have a good nature (which I'm sure they do, but mistakes can be made) and when their is no oversight whatsoever.
And in your response about china, the US and its' citizens are the Chinese's little peons because of the huge debt we owe them. We just haven't realized it yet.
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08-06-2010, 03:21 AM #135Aspiring Evangelist
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Who knows who are the pawns of whom? Nefarious agents in SE Asia or elsewhere?
And who cares, last year it was the Russian Mafia, the year before that, some lackies in Eastern Europe and before that across the street in my city. Again, who cares, take them out!
Build 'honey pots' and send in the hornets.
All units are supervised, that is what it means to be civilized and to neutralize by the rules.
Myraid blessings!
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08-07-2010, 06:29 AM #136Web Hosting Master
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I once routed a 10gbps ddos through softlayer through creative use of a proxy server. Best $30 add-on I'd ever spent at a hosting company!
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08-08-2010, 04:07 AM #137New Member
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08-08-2010, 05:19 AM #138CISSP-ISSMP, CISA
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08-08-2010, 01:16 PM #139Aspiring Evangelist
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From some clues and comments on this whole matter, it seems there are some Chinese sympathizers two tier deep that have each their own perceived 'moral ground' to either allow or do these attacks on the game server folks servering China.
No matter, it all stinks; ban/expel the whole mess to Hong Kong and let Chinese deal with Chinese.
I will not really matter because the cost/hassle vs. not continues to take its toll until AS after AS get shunned etc., etc.ABSF
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09-29-2010, 01:23 PM #140WHT Addict
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I know this thread is a couple months old but it's interesting to me.
Getting the media's attention is a good idea, but I am afraid that no media want to run such a complicated peice of tech info.
Have you also considered moving parts of your datacenter into China. It might force them to protect you more if indeed you're a paying client.
You may have to think about hiring someone to take over the botnet too. This is completely possible. While legally and ethically it's questionable it's still a solution.
But like I said before this is starting to be a burden on our carriers.
We are now working with law enforcement agency against this.
I know when I was a chief engineer at a previous worldwide company, we had attacks of this size a couple times a year. In those cases our upstream providers did most of the heavy lifting to correct the situation. The rest, we blackholed/tarpitted/dropped random packets, looked for retries, etc. There are some very interesting things you can do with the right gear. However, it's likely that gear is sitting with the upstream. That's why I recommend leaning on them as much as you can because they hold the real cards in this situation.
I'll agree this is a form of cyber-terrorism.
So after reading 10 pages and 6 weeks later....has the OP had any progress in this?
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