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04-06-2008, 08:48 PM #1Web Hosting Evangelist
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Hardware RAID test (3ware 8006-2LP)
Hello,
After seeing a topic a week or go discussing RAID cards I decided to give a hardware raid card a go to see if the performance will increase in one of our boxes.
Just for the simplicity of the test, I have put them into a RAID0 formation for purely performance tests and no redundancy. I choose a 3ware RAID card and went for the 2 port 8006-2LP option rather than the 9600 (as they had the 8006-2lp and risers in stock and what I've always been told is that SATA1 and SATA2 is really a selling point rather than any performance increase but we will leave that argument there). Because we run mainly Windows systems, I have put on Windows Server 2003 x64 R2. What I am finding after installing it all is it seems pretty "slow".
The rest of the hardware is a Dual, Quad Xeon (E5410x2), 8GB ram on a Tyan motherboard. Hard drives are 160GB Western Digital 7200 RPM so I can't see quite why it feels like its not running at a peak level.
Does anyone have any applications or software to give this RAID array a test as I really don't want to order any more or roll them out on to the network to find that software raid would be a better improvement. I did try a burn in app which tests everything but it according to the 20 seconds I ran it, in average it only transferred at 2mbs.. That cant be right..
I think one possibility is the RAID drivers arn't installed correctly as its still coming "Unknown Devices" in Device Manager and it seems It wont let me manually install the drivers for the 3ware device as it doesn't like the OS even though I have the correct ones and it installed Windows with it fine (a bit longer than normal anyway)
Oh well thoughts please
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04-06-2008, 09:30 PM #2Master of the Truth
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so heres a question is your raid done initializing? that can put a HUGE performance hit on write IO. Also make sure drives have their jumpers set to sata2?
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04-07-2008, 12:30 AM #3Web Hosting Master
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3Ware 8006-2LP only supports SATA1 speeds. In any event, my feeling is that 9650-2LP is a far better card in terms of performance. As for testing your drives, I do have something in the office for that, but I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head and I'm going to be out this week. I will see if I can remember ...
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04-07-2008, 08:11 AM #4Web Hosting Evangelist
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If you can base a good argument for the 9650 then I would be happy to listen but as I am aware the difference between SATA1 and SATA2 is the drives have the potential of going to 3Gbs a second when the drive cant even max out a SATA1 port when you look at standard 7200 RPM SATA drives.
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04-07-2008, 09:13 AM #5Randy
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Sounds like a driver issue. You definately shouldn't see any Question marks.
I see a mininum of 50MB/sec reads/writes on Linux systems with the 8006-2lp. I've never tested throughput on a Windows system, but I don't notice any slowness at all.Fast Serv Networks, LLC | AS29889 | DDOS Protected | Managed Cloud, Streaming, Dedicated Servers, Colo by-the-U
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04-07-2008, 09:17 AM #6Owner of the net for a day
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9650-2LP has 128MB RAM, speeds are good, I have an older multi port 8000 series and on RAID5 it does good to get 15MB/s but the 9500/9600's get far faster on RAID5 and RAID10.
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04-07-2008, 10:13 AM #7Web Hosting Master
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8006-2LP is out of steam at about 48-54MB/s, even with WD Raptors on it. The 9650 PCI-e card, 2 port, will get nearer to 80MB/s with the same drives. The 8006-2LP is getting v. long in the tooth these days.
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04-07-2008, 10:18 AM #8Web Hosting Evangelist
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Dare I say it, would it be better to throw it over to software RAID for RAID0?
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04-07-2008, 10:58 AM #9Web Hosting Master
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04-07-2008, 12:58 PM #10Web Hosting Evangelist
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Have you got any proof/reviews to back that up, just because the port changed to 300mbs doesn't mean the drive can push even anywhere close to that..
Last time I checked most drives only push 120mbs if that.. counting SATA1 not being near the limit. But anyway that's a different argument for a different topic.
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04-07-2008, 01:19 PM #11Web Hosting Master
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The NCQ makes a big difference. Additionally, rebuilds on 9650SE-2LP are significantly faster and far less service impacting.
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04-07-2008, 04:01 PM #12Web Hosting Master
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04-07-2008, 04:16 PM #13THE Web Hosting Master
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Also, do you have write cache turned on? The 8006 cards still have that, don't they?
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04-07-2008, 05:03 PM #14Web Hosting Evangelist
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I'm not sure what the OP needs however here are benchmarks for a RAID-10 setup if you'd like to compare. The controller is a 9550SX-4LP and the setup is 4x 500GB Seagate Barracuda HDDs.
# hdparm -tT /dev/sda
/dev/sda:
Timing cached reads: 13472 MB in 2.00 seconds = 6744.51 MB/sec
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04-07-2008, 05:49 PM #15Web Hosting Evangelist
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Sorry, I didn't realise I sounded so defensive there
To just to clarify, looking for a command to test the performance of the raid array on Windows to see how effective it is. Just doesn't seem quite fast enough for the spec it is. Windows install took a while which generally says to me something isn't right with the RAID array.
I am looking at a driver issue TBH so might either downgrade to 32bit Windows Enterprise and see if that improves at all.
Any thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.
Is there a huge difference with the 9650SE model over the 8006 model in a RAID0 environment? Or would software Raid (on the specification of the server) just be good enough to cope?
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04-08-2008, 11:32 AM #16Web Hosting Master
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Sounds to me like you might be using old drives - you're using a Dual Quad Xeon, 8G of ram but 7200 RPM 160GB drives?
Perhaps you should do a speed test on the harddrives themselves without RAID and then compare it to the harddrives with raid.
We use 8006-2LPs - no major complaints. Never tried 9650SE-2LP. 3ware just works.Avi B
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04-08-2008, 11:38 AM #17Web Hosting Evangelist
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Hi Avi,
Where using small drives (they are brand new though) as the 300GB it creates with the RAID is all that is required. We think from looking around on the 3ware site that there are no working drivers for Windows Server 64bit Enterprise R2 as its not supported on their list for the 8006-2LP.
Ill try the 32bit version and see if there is any improvement. Do you know what software I can use to do a speed test tho?
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04-08-2008, 11:41 AM #18Web Hosting Master
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Hm... we use hdparm but that is for Linux. If you want the hardware performance you may be able to boot a Knoppix cd and use hdparm. If you want to get the performance from within Windows, I don't know.
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04-08-2008, 11:49 AM #19Web Hosting Guru
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Would highly recommend the 9650-2LP cards, definitely worth every penny.
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04-09-2008, 11:00 AM #20WHT Addict
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FWIW, the 8xxx series cards have had data corruption issues when a drive fails - haven't experienced this myself but have heard it from quite a few sources, YMMV.
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04-10-2008, 01:54 AM #21Owner of the net for a day
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04-10-2008, 09:44 AM #22Web Hosting Master
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This is what I usually use for judging drive/array performance in Windoze http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public...request=HdTach
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04-10-2008, 10:05 AM #23Web Hosting Evangelist
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Exactly what I was looking for.. Thanks
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Hi there, coming late in the discussion, trying to choose between the 9650SE-2LP and the 8006-2LP for simple RAID 1.
Also, what good current huge drives should I hook on them for reliability and reasonable performance?
Thanks!