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08-25-2009, 11:50 AM #1Newbie
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Hosting someone from Iran - State Department Issues
There is a company from Iran that wants to host with us. Are there any State Department issues that would restrict us from giving technical expertise or technology to someone from a country whose political environment is anti-U.S.?
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08-25-2009, 11:55 AM #2Web Hosting Master
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As far as I'm aware, trade with Iran is prohibited ?
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08-25-2009, 11:57 AM #3Web Hosting Master
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I cannot see how web hosting should be prohibited, though if they are in Iran it would make more sense to get a European host, or maybe even a host in a non-hostile (to them) country like Canada.
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08-25-2009, 12:05 PM #4Web Hosting Industry Expert
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Legally a United States company cannot provide a service/trade with anybody from Iran last time I checked.
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08-25-2009, 12:26 PM #5Temporarily Suspended
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08-25-2009, 12:28 PM #6Web Hosting Industry Expert
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http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforce.../iran/iran.pdf
In general, a person may not export from the U.S. any goods,
technology or services, if that person knows or has reason to know
such items are intended specifically for supply, transshipment or
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Here is the generalized restriction that applies:
EXPORTS TO IRAN - In general, unless licensed by OFAC, goods,
technology (including technical data or other information subject to
Export Administration Regulations), or services may not be exported,
reexported, sold or supplied, directly or indirectly, from the United
States or by a U.S. person, wherever located, to Iran or the
Government of Iran.0
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08-25-2009, 12:32 PM #9Web Hosting Master
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08-25-2009, 12:35 PM #10Newbie
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Here is a link to the OFAC Country Sanctions Programs:
http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/programs/0
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08-25-2009, 12:40 PM #11Web Hosting Industry Expert
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08-25-2009, 12:52 PM #12Web Hosting Master
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_embargoes as of 07 but the links for the reasons for embargo still work.
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08-25-2009, 01:00 PM #13
The regulation is poorly written as far as our industry goes so I called and asked about a year ago.
the person I talked to didn't have a good response and I don't think really knew what I was talking about. Basically she said it was illegal to send anything over to Iran. I was free to do business with Iranian citizens living in the US and I was free to do business with Iranian citizens living abroad as long as whatever I was selling wasn't being sent to or used in Iran.
Still confused? Yea... didn't definitively answer my question either.Aaron Wendel
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08-25-2009, 01:03 PM #14Web Hosting Industry Expert
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The way that I interpret it is that if it's an Iranian Citizen (in the country or not) that we are legally not to do business with them. I would of course err on the side of interpreting the regulations more strictly as not to put the company in any sort of jeopardy.
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08-25-2009, 01:20 PM #15WHT Addict
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I assume even if your company isn't an LLC, but your DC is located in US, you still can't do business?
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08-25-2009, 01:29 PM #16Web Hosting Master
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If your an American company or the service is based in America and the customer is based in Iran and is Iranian then it's a no.
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As long as they don't pay the bills, you should be fine, I mean, if somebody from another country pay the bills of his account you shouldn't face any trouble, I requested an advice from a lawyer awhile ago for a similar case.
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08-25-2009, 01:32 PM #18Web Hosting Industry Expert
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08-25-2009, 01:46 PM #20Web Hosting Industry Expert
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No, I'm not a lawyer. What if you were to provide free hosting to somebody in Iran (i.e. you pay the bill yourself technically). That would still violate the law because you would be providing a service to an individual in Iran.
I guess the way the loophole you describe would work would be that although somebody from Iran is using the service your agreement is with the third party paying the bills and as such you would be providing them the service and they would be providing the Iranian the service.
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No, I'm not a lawyer. What if you were to provide free hosting to somebody in Iran (i.e. you pay the bill yourself technically). That would still violate the law because you would be providing a service to an individual in Iran.█ Shared Web Hosting - Reseller Hosting - Semi-Dedicated Servers - SolusVM/XEN VPS
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08-25-2009, 01:54 PM #22
If this is really an issue for you then I would consult an attorney or call the department of state or your local customs office.
I know plenty of Iranian citizens who rent and own property in the US. Under some of the theories in the thread whoever sold or is renting that property to them should be in jail.
please take into account the source (being webhosting talk and not a legal forum) and contact people who can give you accurate information.Aaron Wendel
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08-25-2009, 02:02 PM #23Newbie
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The language states "directly or indirectly", and having another country pay the bills for his account could be interpreted as selling the hosting service in an indirect manner.
EXPORTS TO IRAN - In general, unless licensed by OFAC, goods,
technology (including technical data or other information subject to
Export Administration Regulations), or services may not be exported,
reexported, sold or supplied, directly or indirectly, from the United
States or by a U.S. person, wherever located, to Iran or the
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08-25-2009, 02:03 PM #24Devil's Advocate
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hmm....
so there are iranian people living in the us who have relations back in iran.
that means that they cannot chat to each other by landline phone or mobile...is that correct?
personally I think when embargos effect things like web hosting it only alienates people and makes situations worse.
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The way that I interpret it is that if it's an Iranian Citizen (in the country or not) that we are legally not to do business with them.
As long as they don't pay the bills, you should be fine, I mean, if somebody from another country pay the bills of his account you shouldn't face any trouble, I requested an advice from a lawyer awhile ago for a similar case.0
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