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10-16-2010, 08:37 AM #126Web Hosting Master
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10-16-2010, 10:25 AM #127Doh!!
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10-16-2010, 10:38 AM #128Web Hosting Master
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10-16-2010, 11:43 AM #129Junior Guru Wannabe
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Changes to timeline. My focus in 2011 will be the new baby!
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10-16-2010, 12:34 PM #130The Guru!
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10-16-2010, 01:07 PM #131Junior Guru Wannabe
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How? Anyone willing to run Infiniband to my cabinet? I want a minimum of 1GB/s (800Mbit) and 10-100k iops on a single connection. 10Gbit ethernet is too expensive and having 10 or so gigabit ehternet connections per server is kinda silly and most likely wouldn't work the way intended anyway.
Changes to timeline. My focus in 2011 will be the new baby!
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10-16-2010, 09:09 PM #132Doh!!
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10 to 100k IOPs not so hard, lots of drives yes, or fusion io, infiniband, umm maybe.. LOL but for 1GB/s (800Mbit) can easily be achieved via several bonded connections over NFS4 or iSCSI if you can run NFS4 I would suggest it as NFS4 is worlds better than NFS3 and it has some amazing local read caching that happens and is generally easier than iSCSI (nfs3 run from, very very fast) Now if you are looking for 800Mbit to one single server I think you need some real world examples to justify that, some of the very very largest and heaviest hit cloud providers who have alot more money than we do, never hit even under a VERY VERY VERY heavy load on their hypervisors anywhere near 800Mbit to a single host. 300 to 500Mbit is more reasonable to a hypervisor but 800Mbit from the SAN EASILY achievable with infiband.
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10-16-2010, 09:37 PM #133Web Hosting Master
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10-16-2010, 10:14 PM #134Web Hosting Master
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raid 100, 1 GB/s=800 Mbps. I think we all need some rest
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10-17-2010, 12:57 AM #135Web Hosting Master
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Hey Sailor,
I'm not sure I follow your comment? For an active-active pair of dell eq's, the lowest-end config (while still having redundant cards, etc) of 16 x 250gb sata drives is right around $20k each. That's $40k for the pair?
List price is closer to $60k. Over $60k with taxes.
Maybe if we purchased more than one or two at once we could get a deeper discount, but I am not sure it would go down much more than it already has...
To switch my hardware costs from capex to opex, I could always go the leasing route, although that doesn't always make the most sense for my company. Thus I outright own quite a bit of hardware and only lease a small portion.
I've not found a colo company willing to rent me gear of any sort cheaper than going to the source myself. Even though large companies (colo providers for example) can likely negotiate better hardware pricing from their suppliers than smaller fish such as myself can due to their quantity, once you factor in the colo provider's profit margins that hardware savings evaporate.
We also get the benefits of full control & flexibility.
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10-17-2010, 01:03 AM #136Web Hosting Master
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Jordan, I'm curious what Phoenixnap needs ramsans and netapps for (aren't you strictly colo)? I'd love to hear your experience with them.
In my case, it's not that I feel the cost is too high for the feature set you get with an enterprise SAN, but that the cost is too high for general use cloud hosting platforms. Maybe if you have a high end niche market willing to pay significantly higher pricing for the end products...
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10-17-2010, 01:05 AM #137Web Hosting Master
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10-17-2010, 01:18 AM #139Doh!!
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I am talking about if you rent it from a provider on their san.
they are going to have a much lower cost of operations on scale.
Yes you will get more control which can be a benefit - but then yes you will get more control which can be a drawback and you will have to have guys to support it which are not cheap either. You cant do everything unless you don't want a life outside of work and want to be on call 24x7 with calls actually coming in. There are pluses and minuses to everything. Every minute you spend on something you decide to insource to save 1$ is a minute you don't get back to focus on your core value proposition which might be earning you 5$.
that is an unwise investment which all too often too many people engage in because they don't do a full analysis of the soft or hidden expense.
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10-17-2010, 03:20 PM #141Web Hosting Master
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10-17-2010, 05:54 PM #142Doh!!
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10-17-2010, 07:27 PM #143Web Hosting Master
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I actually agree with Jay and Jeff here (and to get back to the OP's Q: "SAN for OnApp"), that it would make sense for a large portion of the hosts on WHT to go with a shared SAN solution for their OnApp setup. Right now margins are very high on cloud hosting, and there is plenty of room for the added long-term cost of a leased SAN. The cloud WILL commoditize in the next 12-18 months, and if you do not have a footprint by then, you may have hard time getting one.
So, building your own cloud infrastructure and cloud software platform might just be bad business as you would loose out on the pre-price-erosion-cloud-era - it is a gold rush right now, make sure you get started before it is too late. And going with an existing infrastructure will make it a whole lot easier for you.
DDitlev Bredahl. CEO,
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11-05-2010, 02:27 PM #144Web Hosting Master
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We are working on some product sets to allow enterprises with existing netapps to utilize the snap mirror functionality and backup to a secure facility without having to buy an additional netapp.
Also, small enterprises needing centralized storage under 5TB can realize a huge cost savings by renting the storage via a datacenter rather than purchase a full netapp with only one shelf.
One of our customers who I consult for is also using it for an onApp deployment.Jordan Jacobs | VP, Products|SingleHop| JJ @SingleHop.com
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