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06-24-2012, 12:35 PM #101Newbie
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06-24-2012, 12:53 PM #104Web Hosting Master
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We aren't currently in the US market, so I don't really see OVH CA/US changing our plans. What it might change is the feasibility of entering the US market with our current prices (currently US prices are generally 1.5x that of EU prices, whether in hardware or bandwidth)
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06-24-2012, 01:31 PM #105Junior Guru Wannabe
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Screw entering the US market, what about us in bloody Canada?
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06-24-2012, 07:23 PM #106
Didn't you notice top right of http://weathermap.ovh.net/usa ?
They're already beta testing in the new DC in Beauharnois outside Montreal, and the new network (whilst not yet finished) is doing a pretty nice job of getting right across the USA
1 198.245.63.253 (198.245.63.253) 0.597 ms * *
2 mtl-1-6k.qc.ca (178.32.135.48) 1.842 ms * *
3 nwk-1-6k.nj.us (178.32.135.44) 10.697 ms * *
4 dal-1-6k.tx.us (178.32.135.223) 44.454 ms * *
5 dal-2-6k.tx.us (178.32.135.175) 85.084 ms * *
6 lax-1-6k.ca.us (178.32.135.187) 83.723 ms * *
7 peering.1wh.la.quadranet.com.any2ix.coresite.com (206.223.143.159) 83.633 ms;
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06-24-2012, 10:18 PM #107Web Hosting Guru
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06-25-2012, 06:12 AM #108Aspiring Evangelist
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I will.
What's funny is that here they keep saying that OVH is for an unknown niche of clients that are dumb enought to want to get a "cheap" server. And that they will not be affected by Octave's plans (I also really really like his philosophy). IMO they keep laying to themselves.Last edited by cedivad; 06-25-2012 at 06:16 AM.
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06-25-2012, 08:27 AM #109Always there
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Just my personal opinion, not that of my employer:
That is partly true. OVH is purely a provider that competes on pricing, their main competitor is Hetzner in that market. In all other areas but price, many providers far outperform OVH on pretty much every aspect that are important aspects when choosing a dedicated server.
OVH filled a budget niche for hobby level dedicated servers and do that well, in many ways they are surpassed lately by Hetzner but it seems that the market they are in is big enough for both (for now).█ Swiftway.net Your Business deserves our Quality - Experts on Hand since 2005. Europe & US locations, we operate our own network AS35017 Support response time <15 minutes 24/7
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06-25-2012, 08:37 AM #110Newbie
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06-25-2012, 08:53 AM #111Always there
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I seriously doubt that OVH will feature Quad CPU Intel E7 setups with 256GB, 512 GB ram or more, these are currently the most powerfull dedicated servers in the market.
A Dualcore Core i3 is a desktop CPU, not a server CPU. To type it as a low entry / low cost model is completely accurate. No Raid controller, No ECC memory, NO KVM/IP or remote reboot facilities and only SATAII make that model a true entry level machine for dedicated server purposes, definately not a model that could be recommended for mission critical deployments and therefore only fit as a 'hobby server'.
So i do not see your point.█ Swiftway.net Your Business deserves our Quality - Experts on Hand since 2005. Europe & US locations, we operate our own network AS35017 Support response time <15 minutes 24/7
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06-25-2012, 09:03 AM #112Newbie
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For the model with core i3, you omitted 16Gb of Ram and 2x1 To.
For Quad CPU Intel E7 setups with 256GB, can you give a quote (let's dance) ?
Anyway, i don't work for OVH. It is not my job to do their promotion. If you need more information, visit their website. I won't respond on further post.
CheersLast edited by AlbertSY; 06-25-2012 at 09:09 AM.
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06-25-2012, 09:09 AM #113Always there
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16 gigabyte Ram 1333Mhz (no ECC) and entry level SATAII HDD.
We live in the era of SATA3 / SSD / SAS providing faster speeds then SATAII and new generation Server grade memory has ECC and 1600 Mhz providing better uptime, data integrity and performance.
As you know, giving a quote on the forum is not allowed, but E3/E5/E7 are true server CPU's that are build in Server platforms of well known and reliable server grade hardware vendors. Servers typically feature IPMI or IMM2 or a similar integrated hardware health check system with KVM/IP and remote media support and the ability to reboot a server without OS intervention.
Place on top of that servergrade mainboards, memory, drives and cooling, as well as redundant power supplies and many hot swappable or field serviceable parts. Server grade hardware ensures far more data integrity, performance, out of band access and uptime, then using desktop components, slap it together and calling such a platform a server.Last edited by swiftnoc; 06-25-2012 at 09:14 AM.
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06-25-2012, 09:13 AM #114Newbie
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It seems i modified my answer just before your last post.
So just read the last line of my previous post.
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06-25-2012, 01:12 PM #115Aspiring Evangelist
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I still don't get why an i3 as a server is classified from you as an hobby. We could run 2 of them in an active active cluster even in 2 different DCs and get a perfect uptime, with the same price a redundant PSU would cost...
Just for trowing a paradox in...i love banging my head against a brick wall - this is why i'm here.
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06-25-2012, 01:37 PM #116Always there
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We got many hundreds of Core i3 running for clients, they cause far more problems with uptime and stability then server grade hardware, even if ours are placed in server grade rack mounts. As a result, we do not offer them anymore.
It is hobby class 'hosting' hardware, there is nothing bad with that, as long as you have a hobby requirement and do not need the hardware for mission critical purposes.
I am not negative in general about ATOM, Core i3 or other desktop servers, they serve their purpose and do that well, but best not to compare them with true server grade hardware, they will simply fall short and will not perform equally.
The benefits of server grade hardware over desktop hardware
- Integrated KVM/IP with remote media support
- Integrated hardware health assessment
- Integrated remote reboot function, for both soft as hard reboots
- ECC memory
- Better cooling
- Hotswap HDD
- Redundant power supplies
- higher MTBF for components including Mainboard
- Build to be always on
I understand that clients and providers utilize desktop hardware to cut corners, it saves money - but do not claim that desktop hardware provides a similar reliability as server hardware, because that is simply not the case.█ Swiftway.net Your Business deserves our Quality - Experts on Hand since 2005. Europe & US locations, we operate our own network AS35017 Support response time <15 minutes 24/7
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06-25-2012, 03:27 PM #117Junior Guru Wannabe
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06-25-2012, 05:07 PM #119Junior Guru Wannabe
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No. If you pay 149 Euro setup and 20 Euro/month you can have a dedicated one.
Also, all their servers come with vKVM (netboot with a virtualized KVM layer that allows you to boot your hard drive under a VM and see it booting, as well as mounting virtual media). Useful for 90% of the cases where KVM is needed.
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06-25-2012, 05:18 PM #121Always there
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And feature upon feature, you will come close to paying a premium providers price, while never getting the same. Clever.
It is called rescue mode, pretty much all providers have it and its useful in only a handful situations - not coming close to 90% of usefulness of true fulltime KVM/IP access.
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06-25-2012, 06:13 PM #122Newbie
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06-25-2012, 06:22 PM #123Junior Guru Wannabe
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The real fact here it's that their datacenter have a PEU of 1,1 and they are in Quebec where the electricity is really cheap. All datacenter that I know in Montreal have PEU of 2,5. If you factor a PEU of 1,1 + low electricity cost + their own network, yes I think it can be way cheaper and still be as good or better then what others offer.
Now if they are jalous and if they want to protect their market, yes sure, they will.
About the hardware, yes they do have desktop grade server as a lot of other provider do. Now if you compare desktop grade from an other provider, yes they are cheaper.
Server grade hardware is also available from OVH, so if someone need that type of uptime and service, they have it, and again it's cheaper then what other do. They also have server with 256GB of ram, but it's not available in their beta yet.
If you still don't think I'm right, they was growing really fast just with the european market, now they will open to the USA market. Sit and watch.
I already have 2 servers in Bauharnois and the ping is low and the server are reliable so far. Do I use them for hobby project? NO.
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06-25-2012, 06:25 PM #124Always there
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Why do you think, that i do not know the company? i know the company well and i am very much aware of both their strengths as well as their limitations.
Why you keep telling us, that you do not work for them? we did never say you work for them as far as i know.
Most modern datacenters nowadays have a PUE of 1.2, 1.1 or lower. Their network relies nearly completely on peering, even if congested, even in Europe it is considered sub standard. Did you bother to check the throughput they guarantee to specific networks? did you see any other network then theirs that give such limitations?
I am sorry, but no. Volumedrive and Hetzner beat them in price, specification, network quality and service.
They grew very fast, because they filled a specific niche. They did extremely well in that niche. They might emulate the same growth in North America but i sincerely doubt they will have an effect on pricing overall. Their growth will be mainly fueled by availability of credit. Their margins are lower, the risk is greater so they likely borrow at larger interest rates. Simple economics.
Emulating what they do is not hard, competing only on price is a challenge, but not the greatest challenge in this industry. The real challenge is, to become one of the best providers in the market:
- Best Hardware
- Best Service
- Best Network
- Best Value
That takes far more effort then simply undercutting everyone in price. Best price is relatively the easiest goal (feature) to reach, but the cost company to the company providing that feature is great risk, as low price and slim margins come continuously at great risks. Again, simple economics.Last edited by swiftnoc; 06-25-2012 at 06:39 PM.
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06-25-2012, 06:36 PM #125Junior Guru Wannabe
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