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  1. #101
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    Mike, great comments

    What you and many others on this forum do not realize is that by helping us move our dedicated servers to cloud you helped minimize our carbon footprint as well by not using as many servers and we could tell our hosting clients that they are hosted by a "green" company, we did the light bulb thing about 2 years ago and now we are moving slowly to LED lighting for the office (kinda expensive) replacing halogen and CFL's and we recycle everything possible.
    We are also looking at planting our flat roof to decrease the temperature in the building and outside - which helps us by running the ac less.

    So in turn we became greener because of your suggestions and help, thank you.

    BTW we love the cloud setup you got us on - so easy... thanks for all your help.
    amazing comments

    and yes, the cloud is a big part of this process. ie) better utilization of resources, built on newer, more powerful and more efficient hardware, along with the elasticity and high availability benefits.. very well said
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenroc View Post
    Mike, great comments

    What you and many others on this forum do not realize is that by helping us move our dedicated servers to cloud you helped minimize our carbon footprint as well by not using as many servers and we could tell our hosting clients that they are hosted by a "green" company, we did the light bulb thing about 2 years ago and now we are moving slowly to LED lighting for the office (kinda expensive) replacing halogen and CFL's and we recycle everything possible.
    We are also looking at planting our flat roof to decrease the temperature in the building and outside - which helps us by running the ac less.

    So in turn we became greener because of your suggestions and help, thank you.

    BTW we love the cloud setup you got us on - so easy... thanks for all your help.
    Thats the point. It takes a lot of research, but we can get smaller more efficient drives, processors, memory, power supplies. Thats were we wanted to be. efficiency is key in hosting, the more you can fit on a 20 amp circuit, or in a rack, the more you can make, more you bring home. So it makes sense in two sense. We are able to offer the customer a better price, AND pay our employees more :-)

    Im sorry, Are you a current customer?

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    A relatively inexpensive environmentally friendly measure that can be carried out by all businesses which I have not seen mentioned in this thread is to reduce water usage.

    A good way of doing this is to install a rain water collector (perhaps on your business' roof to avoid the need for a powered pump). The rain water can then be plumbed directly into the inlet of your toilet(s). There is absolutely no reason at all why processed mains water should be used 100% of the time to flush your toilet(s)!

    Of course, you may wish to leave your mains water connected to your toilet(s) via an automatic ballcock switch system so that you can still flush your toilet in drought periods.

    Not only is using rainwater "green", but it will also save you a considerable amount of money on your ongoing water bills (if metered).

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    Thats a great idea. That could help too for the bigger corporations who have many employees. most office buildings need at lease 50-75 PSI of pressure. So you may need a pump to do this. (For the pressure based flushing toilets)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibee View Post
    First thing is to upgrade your old servers to new energy efficient servers.
    +1 for that. I don't really care about the environment but if it helps decrease the cost of power I'm all for that.

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    Use other sources of energy like renewable energies. Also, use virtualization & use less power consuming servers (many dell servers are doing great for this).
    But basing your main source of energy out of renewable and green energy will do it.
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  7. #107
    I use 32-bit os instead of 64-bit's to squeeze more ram for my web application. Furthermore, I tune the entire LAMP stack on a single virtual machine so that it can serve more requests to avoid purchasing unnecessary vps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sautaja View Post
    I use 32-bit os instead of 64-bit's to squeeze more ram for my web application. Furthermore, I tune the entire LAMP stack on a single virtual machine so that it can serve more requests to avoid purchasing unnecessary vps.
    How does using a 32-bit OS save you memory?
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    The size of long and void pointer are 8byte on a 64-bit host instead of 4byte on a 32-bit host, which can increase the memory consumption of the application you are running.

    To test this I had two vps machines (32-bit vs 64-bit) set up with identical software. Apparently the apps on the 64-bit variants took up more memory compared to the 32-bit variants.

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    Instead of using second and third server for your hosting business, isnt it more "green" just to upgrade your existing first server by addin RAM, CPU cores, HDs, etc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Michael View Post
    Instead of using second and third server for your hosting business, isnt it more "green" just to upgrade your existing first server by addin RAM, CPU cores, HDs, etc?
    I think it really depends on the requirements...
    I have a number of servers where i've replaced/upgraded CPU/Memory particularly for lower voltage at higher clock speed (particularly for RAM) it can free 0.5amps...

    Funny you should say about CPU Cores, in most cases buying CPUs with more cores is overkill if your servers aren't doing allot. They are designed for splitting the workload over the same clock speed, which only really works for number crunching, that type of thing, perfect for Virtualisation envirnments too where allot happens in the background compared to actual VMs..

    I've virtualised most of my infrastructure, halved the amount of servers I'm running, as well as the power usage and thus the rackspace. At one point I was paying for double racks just for the power allocation, only using one side of it, a very expensive practice. This is the premise of going green in my opinion....
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    Maybe I was not clear enough:
    The scenario is that you have ONE server which is loaded enough and you need a second one to add more client on it. Isnt it more green to upgrade the hardware of the first server, instead of buying a second dedicated server?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Michael View Post
    Maybe I was not clear enough:
    The scenario is that you have ONE server which is loaded enough and you need a second one to add more client on it. Isnt it more green to upgrade the hardware of the first server, instead of buying a second dedicated server?
    ok, this is kind of a rhetorical question, it really depends what your running... there's only so far upgrading will get you.. If your just going to take one server and replace it, then yes upgrade your hardware... But a few extra Mhz and a couple of extra Gb of RAM isn't going to necessarily be up to requirements.

    Green is a way if thinking, about getting the most out of the resources you have which in turn reduces the global scale..
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    - Our green data center uses less energy — it is twice as efficient than traditional data centers.
    - We offset the energy that we use by investing in Texas wind power through Renewable Energy Credits (RECs).

    Why go green? Because today more and more companies are finding that their customers judge the overall quality of their brand based on their response and policies regarding the environment. Promoting your green site enhances customer appeal and helps increase traffic to your site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenhostit View Post
    Why go green? Because today more and more companies are finding that their customers judge the overall quality of their brand based on their response and policies regarding the environment. Promoting your green site enhances customer appeal and helps increase traffic to your site.
    While there maybe truth to that comment with the more liberal folk, the reality is for the people who take it seriously - purely a matter of money, spending money to save money or even making money...

    Sure the environment comes into play on the grander scale of things, but environmental responsibility doesn't drive data centres to be efficient, operational costs do.... To say otherwise is quite simply a marketing gimmick... Microsoft and Google only build green datacentres to get the best cost for the capacity of service it gives them and to get the things approved to be built in the first place by local authorities.
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    I agree about operational costs being a substantial factor. But the reality of it is, there is a large segment of the business community that favors companies that have shown to be environmentally responsible. So, that leads me to the next question: what are some more examples of ways that companies go green?

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenhostit View Post
    I agree about operational costs being a substantial factor. But the reality of it is, there is a large segment of the business community that favors companies that have shown to be environmentally responsible. So, that leads me to the next question: what are some more examples of ways that companies go green?
    Environmentally Responsible has been turned into a gimmick.. Take Carbon Offsetting for example, it's not like companies can operate off grid, so what do they do? They Give Money away to funds and "charities" that plant trees and "educate" companies on being eco so that those companies can display a logo that people associate with being Green, they don't have to do anything other than at a bare minimum give money to such organisations....

    It would have far more effective if you just told people/companies going green is a cost saving and efficiency ideology - particularly in this economy, by doing a few simple things or investing in more efficiencies, it will ultimately save them money, thus on the grander scheme of things reduce the our global energy footprint.....

    Another perfect example of why "Going Green" is a gimmick, carbon allowance schemes that allow countries to trade their unused allowances so that other countries like America and China can continue to function without violating global agreements.

    For me, "going green" or greener, was about reducing my power consumption so that I could reduce my rackspace and thus reduce my operational costs by 60%. The initial financial outlay was relatively small because as soon as I replaced enough or upgraded enough hardware with more efficient kit in one rack at the cost of about £3,000, I had reduced power by a couple of amps and could completely get rid of another rack (mainly acquired for the power allocation) and saved myself £13,000 per year. So to me, I saved myself some green, the data centre saved a few amps reducing their costs - saving them some green, and the world is a tiny fraction greener.
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    I have heard of solar powered Data Centers. This seems like it would be costly but might be the green hosting of the future. Worth checking out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan36 View Post
    I have heard of solar powered Data Centers. This seems like it would be costly but might be the green hosting of the future. Worth checking out.
    Sorry, what was the point of your post?

    Whats worth checking out? You didn't actually provide any examples...
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    the point was to share that there are solar powered data centers springing up this could well become essential for companies wanting to go green. Major companies recognize this and are exploring the possibilities:

    http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/a...-data-centers/

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    Quote Originally Posted by network82 View Post
    Environmentally Responsible has been turned into a gimmick.. Take Carbon Offsetting for example, it's not like companies can operate off grid, so what do they do? They Give Money away to funds and "charities" that plant trees and "educate" companies on being eco so that those companies can display a logo that people associate with being Green, they don't have to do anything other than at a bare minimum give money to such organisations....

    It would have far more effective if you just told people/companies going green is a cost saving and efficiency ideology - particularly in this economy, by doing a few simple things or investing in more efficiencies, it will ultimately save them money, thus on the grander scheme of things reduce the our global energy footprint.....

    Another perfect example of why "Going Green" is a gimmick, carbon allowance schemes that allow countries to trade their unused allowances so that other countries like America and China can continue to function without violating global agreements.

    For me, "going green" or greener, was about reducing my power consumption so that I could reduce my rackspace and thus reduce my operational costs by 60%. The initial financial outlay was relatively small because as soon as I replaced enough or upgraded enough hardware with more efficient kit in one rack at the cost of about £3,000, I had reduced power by a couple of amps and could completely get rid of another rack (mainly acquired for the power allocation) and saved myself £13,000 per year. So to me, I saved myself some green, the data centre saved a few amps reducing their costs - saving them some green, and the world is a tiny fraction greener.

    I agree with you. We've done just that. Instead of using P4's that suck tons of power. We upgraded our customers with more power efficient servers. We also had about 10 racks of servers in our Dallas in 2008 that we converted into about 1 Rack. (Cloud Hosting) We were able to go form 10-11 208v 20a circuits to just shy of 3 power drops. In my opinion I don't worry about my carbon foot print, or paying some company outrageous fees to "offset" my carbon emissions. First thing I ask those guys that buy "offsets" is Where did you plant the trees? Where did you put a wind mill?

    You just paid some farmer to plant the seed, then sell the christmas tree back to you 5 years down the road. We are in the wrong business gentlemen.

    Thing is. We just have to be conscious of what we are doing. Also how much power we are using. We didn't get more power efficient servers because of the carbon we "emit" We did it to save money in a down economy. It did cost money to save money, But it paid for itself very quickly.

    None the less. Bravo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan36 View Post
    the point was to share that there are solar powered data centers springing up this could well become essential for companies wanting to go green. Major companies recognize this and are exploring the possibilities:

    http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/a...-data-centers/
    Dan, the problem with solar power is the vast amount of space needed to generate the power required for a typical DC. The article you reference talks about 100,000sqft per MW. We have 6MW in a 28,000 sqft building so covering the roof would generate maybe 0.25MW (assuming we were in California and not Iceland). The remaining 5.75MW would need 575,000sqft of land - that's about 13 acres!! And that's only good for when the sun shines, you also need another building full of batteries to get through the night!

    I'm a big fan of renewable power (real power that is, not offsets), but for industrial scale 24/7 power the only options are hydro or geo-thermal, nothing else can come close for consistency and volume.
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    Going green is easy as 1 2 3

    1.Unplug all power cords to your computer/server
    2. Grab computer/server then throw out the window
    3. Never use a computer/server again

    Boom...there you have it saving energy by reducing your footprint = green

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeoClown View Post
    Boom...there you have it saving energy by reducing your footprint = green
    But you just expelled all that extra CO2 from the exertion, plus fossil fuels needed for the garbage pickup to clean up the mess and all those wasted trees in payslips and envelopes, not to mention the energy used to make the new paving slab that you cracked ...
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    There's nothing green about hosting. Servers, network gear, and datacenter facilities use all kinds of metals and other materials that are energy intensive and environmentally destructive to produce. Replacing old equipment with new makes that problem worse, even if it does save energy. And then there's the obvious that a typical facility uses megawatts of power. You can make hosting less brown, but you can never make it green.
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