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04-03-2004, 02:03 AM #1Newbie
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net-trend I luv this>>
Now this is a good laugh;
From Net-Trend Terms and Conditions
"Banned Script(s):
CGI based forums are NOT allowed on Net-Trend servers as they are known to be resource intensive in usage."
You must be joking right?
or don't you have a clue what your talking about?
A well written perl forum will out perform any
bloated PHP forum period.0
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04-03-2004, 02:33 AM #2Newbie
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i am too lame to read this;-)
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04-03-2004, 03:06 AM #3Web Hosting Master
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Re: net-trend I luv this>>
What's the problem with the TOS? I would agree with them.
A well written perl forum will out perform any
bloated PHP forum period.
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04-03-2004, 03:07 AM #4Web Hosting Master
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The majority of perl scripts are very poorly written and cause resource problems.
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04-03-2004, 03:59 AM #5Web Hosting Master
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Preference against using Perl written forums as being too resource intensive is a common complaint in webhosting.
This often causes problems with YaBB - there are two version out there:
a Perl-written YaBB SP
a PHP-driven YaBB SE
I'm not convinced a lot of hosts know the difference.
The developers of YaBB SE have since dropped the project to recode it completely as SimpleMachines now, anyway.0
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04-03-2004, 04:03 AM #6Resident Liverpool FC Fan
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I can understand fully why providers don't allow CGI based Bulletin Boards - most don't. We don't, because compared to PHP Bulletin Boards, they are way too resource wasteful. Besifes, PHP boards have a lot more development on them nowadays and do a lot more.
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04-03-2004, 04:04 AM #7Web Hosting Master
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Both the perl and php versions of Yabb use a ton of resources.
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04-03-2004, 04:11 AM #8Junior Guru
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We also do not allow cgi based forums. Most do not or if you do you will soon find out the hard way like we did 2 years back.
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04-03-2004, 04:50 AM #9Newbie
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this is a joke, how the heck could a perl based YaBB
forum that doesn't have a persistent sql db connection,
that gets maybe 20 posts in a 24 hour period, draw down
the resources on any server let alone a newer state of the art
dual proc servers.
Originally posted by MN-Robert
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04-03-2004, 04:53 AM #10Resident Liverpool FC Fan
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Originally posted by frankie_69
this is a joke, how the heck could a perl based YaBB
forum that doesn't have a persistent sql db connection,
that gets maybe 20 posts in a 24 hour period, draw down
the resources on any server let alone a newer state of the art
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04-03-2004, 05:04 AM #11Web Hosting Master
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Hello, i am from the YaBB support community, i have informed the developers about this post and they should have comments to make soon, but i would like to inform you that newer versions of YaBB have been very intensly tested and have actually been found to run at a lower server load than phpBB and use less bandwidth (by more than half) than phpBB.
It takes 0.3906 seconds for the YaBB 1 Gold SP2 (Beta6) software to generate a page with information from 15 different queries.
Ok, i admit, YaBB used to be quite a server fecker but we are in the new generation of YaBB, and to prove it... About Web Services use it (about 8 times) on their website, to run support communities for Freeservers.com, BizHost.com etc (all their hosting brands)
So instead of living in the past, why not actully have a look at the new software that the YaBB team are releasing because its better than you think.
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04-03-2004, 12:05 PM #12Web Hosting Master
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Re: net-trend I luv this>>
Originally posted by frankie_69
Now this is a good laugh;
From Net-Trend Terms and Conditions
"Banned Script(s):
CGI based forums are NOT allowed on Net-Trend servers as they are known to be resource intensive in usage."
You must be joking right?
or don't you have a clue what your talking about?
A well written perl forum will out perform any
bloated PHP forum period.YourCheapHost.com - Low cost multi domain hosting solutions. [Legal adult content friendly]
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04-03-2004, 12:07 PM #13Resident Liverpool FC Fan
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Re: Re: net-trend I luv this>>
Originally posted by net-trend
Our TOS is for clients who agree to sign up with us. If you don't agree with them, don't sign up and laugh all you want.█ Xcellweb.net - Quality Web Solutions That Work!
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04-03-2004, 12:07 PM #14Web Hosting Master
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Also wanted to say, funny you signed up just to post that. I have a deep suspicion it has to do with a deleted thread a few days ago.
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Our TOS is for clients who agree to sign up with us. If you don't agree with them, don't sign up and laugh all you want.0
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04-03-2004, 01:16 PM #16Build It Better!
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It takes 0.3906 seconds for the YaBB 1 Gold SP2 (Beta6) software to generate a page with information from 15 different queries.0
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04-03-2004, 03:04 PM #17Junior Guru Wannabe
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Difference between Perl and PHP
PHP, like JSP and ASP, just launchs one interpreter in memory not matter how many clients are calling the scripts in the same time, while each time a Perl CGI script was called, the server has to launch a new Perl interpreter in memory unless you installed the mod_perl module and revise your Perl script to use that module. That's one of the reasons why most Perl CGI scripts cause higher server load than PHP.
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04-03-2004, 03:06 PM #18Need Moar KAWFEE
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Okay, since everyone seems to enjoy bashing YaBB SE, I'm going to address a couple posts directly. Oh, qualifications? You want my background for why I feel qualified to speak on this? Okay, how's this? I manage several different message boards and have worked on several different sites. I've converted phpBB2 forums to YaBB SE, I've converted DP forums to YaBB SE, I've converted YaBB SE forums to SMF (the next generation software). I've been involved with YaBB SE (and now SMF) for over a year now. I know the coding for YaBB SE like the back of my hand. I've written a few different CMS systems that integrate with both SMF and YaBB SE. Qualified enough? Good.
Originally posted by MN-Robert
Both the perl and php versions of Yabb use a ton of resources.
Originally posted by frankie_69
this is a joke, how the heck could a perl based YaBB
forum that doesn't have a persistent sql db connection,
that gets maybe 20 posts in a 24 hour period, draw down
the resources on any server let alone a newer state of the art
dual proc servers.Doug Hazard - "retired" Web Hosting Master
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04-03-2004, 05:06 PM #19Newbie
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what are you smoking
Originally posted by net-trend
Also wanted to say, funny you signed up just to post that. I have a deep suspicion it has to do with a deleted thread a few days ago.
it sounds to me like your are an over worked paraniod reseller.
had you bothered to look at my profile, you would have seen i
simply joined to post about dot5hosting. or did you
figure you could just insult me with lies on this thread and
nobody would bother to look at my profile?
i was a reseller and had a few sites of my own hosted with dot5.
as i said i joined here to post some info on dot5 for the others that
had problems with dot5 to read, thats all.
and of course since i am moving all of my accounts i have been
reading threads here to find a new host/reseller account.
your site was one of many that i have been reviewing. and if you
reread my comment i simply stated that i would rather run a
well written perl forum, than a php forum. i didn't even mention
a name. i was speaking in programming terms and from sysadmin point of view.0
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Obviously not all CGI based scripts are resource munchers, but there's a huge number that are, meaning for a host, it's a much safer bet to disallow them from the start rather than spending time looking for the one that's causing the problem when your server load goes bananas.
PHP based forums are generally more efficent than any equivalent CGI boards and for most simple CGI scripts there's usually a PHP alternative that'll do a similar job.Hyperconfused (™)0
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ugh, i would not want that guy as my client!
with all the forum boards out there, why choose the worst one anyways??
its nonsensicalif you haven't considered chapter 7 bankruptcy, maybe you should.
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04-03-2004, 05:33 PM #22Web Hosting Master
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Would that be the same Douglas who travelled the YaBB SE forums with a marching bear avatar?
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04-03-2004, 10:03 PM #23New Member
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That's great that YaBB can load pages marginally faster than phpBB. Congrats to the YaBB development team.
But that's not the problem. The problem is that YaBB hogs system resources. If you have a busy YaBB forum where there are 10-20 sessions going at once for an extended period of time, YaBB sill start hanging processes for up to an hour, each one keeping the processor going at full tilt.
I am a yabb-friendly hosting provider but I am not ignorant to the software's problems. I have to monitor my servers constantly for hung YaBB processes.
Most YaBB forums work fine, but of course most aren't that busy.0
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04-03-2004, 11:05 PM #24Need Moar KAWFEE
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Originally posted by I, Brian
Would that be the same Douglas who travelled the YaBB SE forums with a marching bear avatar?
gippah, are you talking about YaBB (Perl) or YaBB SE (PHP)? I've actually noticed that my resources have gotten lower (better performance) since I switched a few sites around.Doug Hazard - "retired" Web Hosting Master
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Re: what are you smoking
Originally posted by frankie_69
net-trend:
it sounds to me like your are an over worked paraniod reseller.
had you bothered to look at my profile, you would have seen i
simply joined to post about dot5hosting.
It bears so much resemblance to that of the deleted thread, that is why I'm so suspicious. I think i'm paranoid too.YourCheapHost.com - Low cost multi domain hosting solutions. [Legal adult content friendly]
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