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    Need Advice

    Hello all. I need some advice from you guys. I'm thinking of a starting a new hosting company, providing cPanel based CLOUD hosting to users. I want to know how many of you might be interested in such a host. What I'm going to do is is on a very stable cloud, install cPanel and other addons and provide managed 'shared-like' cloud hosting to customers. It's actually a great offer and I can provide 99.999% to 100% uptime SLAs.

    All I want to know is whether people would like to buy this kind of a service. Speed and uptime sure is guaranteed. I would like to know what my target market would be. Would I be getting more advanced customers from a business background, or some newbie's wanting to host a new blog or personal website? If you were interested in the offer, what kind of a plan would you like? Amount of webspace, bandwidth?

    The main aim of this company is to simplify the way we use the cloud, make complete use of the great cloud infrastructure we have. We simplify the process by installing web panels (cPanel), addons, and all other technical requirements and take complete care of the server. We will also provide full support to each and every customer.

    Before starting to expand, I was willing to find some 'Pre-Sales', allowing me to expand easier.

    The main question here lies, what does the web hosting market look for in a host?

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    a)Uptime
    b) Stability
    c)Support
    d) Speed
    e) Price
    f) Addons

    These were the things I was looking for as a client

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    Thanks . How much would you be willing to pay as a client for such a service on average? (Please be realistic);P

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramdox View Post
    a)Uptime
    b) Stability
    c)Support
    d) Speed
    e) Price
    f) Addons

    These were the things I was looking for as a client
    Exactly Sir,
    depend on the addon as well.

    I guess the addon is part of upselling and may need to provide those product which is related to the hosting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ServerTech2011 View Post
    Thanks . How much would you be willing to pay as a client for such a service on average? (Please be realistic);P
    as a client as little as possible (i.e 6usd per year as discussed on another thread) As a hosting company I would want to squeeze as much profit as possible. So the price you need to find has to be a balance of these 2 factors. Hope this helps

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    It costs alot to create and manage cloud servers, addons, cPanel licences, bandwidth, etc. It's gonna be solid low-cost pricing, but not too low either. It's probably gonna cost only $7 - $10 for the hosting per month + bandwidth usage. I will bundle some free bandwidth though.

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    When you talk about offering Cloud web hosting services to your clients, it is something that provides reliability to you.

    For cloud, YOU WOULD be the one paying for the usage for every hour. Clients wouldn't really care much as they would be paying you a fixed amount every month. I would advise you to ensure you do have the budget, because you would have clients spiking up CPU a lot of times and that might get you an un-expected invoice from your provider.

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    I did a lot of research on my provider. I'm confident about it too. The clients don't have to worry how much they pay. I'm think of providing them the option of buying bandwidth in blocks, or pay as you go. I might even bundle a few gigs for free with the usual fee. So basically, it's fixed.

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    SpeedySparrow already offers this, as do others.

    It's hard to demand a higher price for shared cloud hosting services, because so few people really understand what that means or how it's going to benefit them. (I'd say many don't even care.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ServerTech2011 View Post
    I did a lot of research on my provider. I'm confident about it too. The clients don't have to worry how much they pay. I'm think of providing them the option of buying bandwidth in blocks, or pay as you go. I might even bundle a few gigs for free with the usual fee. So basically, it's fixed.
    If that's the case then you should be good to go. I just wanted you to ensure that you don't actually end up paying more then you expected and make less then you expected .

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post
    SpeedySparrow already offers this, as do others.

    It's hard to demand a higher price for shared cloud hosting services, because so few people really understand what that means or how it's going to benefit them. (I'd say many don't even care.)
    True. I need to explain to them and lay it all down their on my homepage. It needs to be in a manner presentable, something interesting that their mind will force them to read.

    People who really want to host their site will understand the benefits of the cloud. ESPECIALLY the ones who have experienced the flaws of normal shared hosting.

    They should expect no overselling from my side at all actually. I'll be monitoring everything myself.

    All I want to do is provide some serious hosting to people who really want it. People who have gone through the downtimes, the frustrations of shared hosting, will understand how much the cloud can do for them.

    I'm trying to charge as low as possible, enough to cover up my expenses, future expenses, and profits.

    My aim with this company is to provide BETTER hosting, at near same costs of normal shared hosting. When someone compares two hosts with the same price, one being shared hosting and other being on the cloud, most due to human psychology, will go for the better cloud.

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    SpeedySparrow is exactly my intention.

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    People who really want to host their site will understand the benefits of the cloud. ESPECIALLY the ones who have experienced the flaws of normal shared hosting.
    Even I have no idea what you're talking about. What flaws?

    The most common flaws of shared hosting is:
    - idiot-grade support,
    - monkeys with keyboards acting as server admins,
    - hosts buying cheap hardware instead of good hardware, and
    - hosts promising unrealistic unlimited resources.

    ... but none of those things are flaws of traditional shared hosting.

    I understand the benefit of cloud hosting on a larger scale, but it seems wasted on small sites. The same goes for CDNs. It just adds a layer of potential problems. "Cloud is better" doesn't work on experienced site owners, and it means less than nothing to novices.
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    People who really want to host their site will understand the benefits of the cloud. ESPECIALLY the ones who have experienced the flaws of normal shared hosting.
    You don't always see the "benefits" especially when most of the "Cloud" happens on the back end systems rather than the front end systems, so generically you are only going to provide your customers the exact same as you would with any traditional host but rather than being powered by local disks and the main unit you are powered by a SAN with Hyper-Visors instead that offer you that fail-over protection.

    Between traditional and cloud both ends are on the firing line to downtime no matter the case, each has it's own flaws and Kpmedia has outlined it quite well actually.

    Cloud is really good in theory but whether or not it's the most viable option is another question (if run by monkeys that is).

    What are your expectations from a Cloud exactly?
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    All I expect from the cloud is speed and uptime. Pretty sure getting from one of the best cloud providers could give me that. Failover protection, another great thing. The 'flaws' are the ones I've experienced with 'some' shared hosts, not all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ServerTech2011 View Post
    All I expect from the cloud is speed and uptime. Pretty sure getting from one of the best cloud providers could give me that. Failover protection, another great thing. The 'flaws' are the ones I've experienced with 'some' shared hosts, not all.
    Cloud Technology isn't immune to downtime, the same applies to traditional web hosting services that operate your standard shared and reseller hosting accounts.

    We aim to keep all services operational as best we can and by keeping our systems under correct Hyper-Visors to where customers would see benefits in speed and reliability, sadly though network problems can and do occur so do be aware that Cloud can suffer downtime just the same as any service you order.

    I suppose the best new thing to come of Cloud Technology is OnApp's vSAN it's very interesting and should hit a spot to improvements over your standard SAN's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparrow-Sean View Post
    Cloud technology isn't immune to downtime
    That cloud is unable to have downtime is one of the biggest myths.
    It's good see hosts stating honesty, instead of spouting meaningless rhetoric.

    Good job, Speedy Sparrow (and Sean).
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    The market that requires cloud reliability and uptime are generally not interested in any type of shared hosting model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FRCorey View Post
    The market that requires cloud reliability and uptime are generally not interested in any type of shared hosting model.
    Our whole cloud is based around Shared Hosting

    Not to mention VPS as well but the cloud abstract is simple, sure it's not the most perfect model out there but it's a model that is advancing quite erratically.

    Good job, Speedy Sparrow (and Sean).
    Thanks Kpmedia, in all honesty it is a true statement. I mean sure downtime can be limited in many ways but it's not always preventable especially if there is a networking issue, sure the VM's below can be migrated across to another Hyper-Visor but downtime is going to be imminent either way.
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    I understand you all. I never said I wanted 100% uptime. Difficulties may occur and downtimes are possible, even with cloud computing. All I wanted to do is REDUCE downtime to as much as possible.

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    ^ All I can really suggest here is don't undergo your expectations. If you want a $5.00 VPS go for a budget one with a (probable) reputable provider, not that there is that many around for $5.00.

    For a decent VPS you should expect to pay $30.00 + per month and probably $40.00 + per month on a reliable Cloud VPS, honestly they are not cheap but will reduce your worries about downtime.

    Chances are you will face it now and then but I could recommend a non cloud provider (Servint), had our site with them for more than a year now and must say we are pleased with the overall performance.
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    Price is not a problem. And no I'm not going for $10 stuff at all.

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