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03-18-2011, 01:37 PM #1Always Ask...Don't Pretend!
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Tier IV - Fault Tolerant Datacenter
I'm curious since I'm reading some info about Datacenter levels.
Is there a Tier IV Datacenter in WHT?█ Ask for Server IP & Nameservers IP to check if your reseller provider truly provides 100% white-label.
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03-18-2011, 01:48 PM #2Web Hosting Master
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WHT is in a data center. Data centers aren't in WHT.
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03-18-2011, 01:56 PM #3Always Ask...Don't Pretend!
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03-19-2011, 07:59 AM #4Junior Guru
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03-19-2011, 10:12 AM #5Always Ask...Don't Pretend!
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Oh really? are you guys some sort of ?compadres
Have you notice that the two of you are diverted to some unknown topic.
Tsk...tsk...tsk! your answer shows how young you are with the way you think.
But for your assignment, answer this...Why Facebook and other big companies has their own datacenter? This is off-topic.█ Ask for Server IP & Nameservers IP to check if your reseller provider truly provides 100% white-label.
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03-19-2011, 10:34 AM #6Web Hosting Guru
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I believe most public datacenters fall under the Tier I and II category. Are there even any true Tier III's that exist?
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03-22-2011, 08:28 AM #7Junior Guru Wannabe
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03-18-2011, 01:53 PM #8THE Web Hosting Master
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I am not aware of ANY truly Tier IV data center that offers colocation services.
Why the request/demand for Tier IV? Tier II-III is going to be much more common and meet the requirements of 99%+ of people/companies. The Tier IV facility is generally for major financial institutions/transactions where billions of dollars are at stake, for certain arms of the government, for carrying out primary business operations of Fortune 100 companies, etc.Karl Zimmerman - Founder & CEO of Steadfast
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03-18-2011, 01:58 PM #9Always Ask...Don't Pretend!
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03-19-2011, 08:03 AM #10Junior Guru
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While this is true, I wonder why a private institution would spend the money to get audited by the Uptime Institute.. It's kind of like, what if they only got a Tier III rating, are they then going to rip out their infrastructure or change how their data center was built. . . . Plus, it's not even a selling point since it is a private data center - who cares what tier it is as long as they are confident in their build..
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03-21-2011, 01:22 AM #11Web Hosting Master
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As someone who's spent some time in the enterprise world, the overriding concern for many datacenter projects is not so much cost as it is risk mitigation (or in less charitable terms, CYA). Enterprise customers love spending the big bucks on "expert" outside consultants so there's someone else to blame when something goes wrong.
On a more practical point, I don't think anyone really is retrofitting an old datacenter for something like Tier III (certainly not Tier IV) status, they are almost always greenfield projects. The Uptime Institute has two certification processes--one is an onsite review of the actual facility (which they call "Certification of Constructed Facility"), the other is a review of the design documents before construction (called appropriately enough, "Certification of Design Documents"). If you look at the list of tier certified facilities, the number of datacenters certified by onsite review isn't really growing, only the list of design doc certified facilities. The onsite review is obviously more expensive, plus given that old facilities typically have both poor power density and would need serious retrofitting to achieve tier III/IV status (all while presumably still operating--if you're going after a tier III/IV status, the datacenter is obviously important enough to demand continuous operation), it's all pretty much new facilities at this point.
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03-18-2011, 05:13 PM #12Web Hosting Master
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03-18-2011, 07:43 PM #13THE Web Hosting Master
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03-18-2011, 07:58 PM #14Web Hosting Master
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Many companies claim tier 4 but they dont live up to it....Karl hit the nail on the head....private only
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03-19-2011, 06:44 AM #15Now renamed!
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There are some that offer Colo, I know one in Frankfurt and one in Beijing i think.
Not cheap.
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03-21-2011, 01:43 AM #16Web Hosting Master
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The list is here:
http://professionalservices.uptimein...m/tiercert.htm
There are no tier III/IV certified facilities in Germany, and the only one listed in China is Suzhou International Science-Park Data Center Co., P.R. China (Tier IV).
There's actually a pretty easy way to tell--if someone actually is certified, you can bet they'll be prominently displaying the certification seal (as display of the seal is one of the perks that comes with the certification). If you don't see a seal, it almost assuredly hasn't been certified.
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03-24-2011, 04:10 PM #17Now renamed!
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Maybe no one in Germany did use the Audit - but there certainly are facilitys that have Tier III/IV standards (European Central Bank (FFM), Frankfurt Stock Exchange (FFM), US Military Bases Computing Centers (Ramstein)).
It is also not unlikely for Chinese Datacenters to be not shown on such lists (at least for government owned ones), for security reasons - even the street address of most is highly secret.
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03-19-2011, 05:39 PM #19THE Web Hosting Master
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From what they say the power side would meet the requirements, but I still don't see any mention of any actual audit, nor the redundancy of the cooling/HVAC side. Even then, simply being 2(N+1) isn't necessarily enough as the entirety of the paths also has to be redundant.
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03-19-2011, 08:52 AM #20Now renamed!
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03-19-2011, 10:56 AM #21Always Ask...Don't Pretend!
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I think I/O datacenter is Tier III certified:
http://www.iodatacenters.com/about-i...-certification
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03-19-2011, 11:02 AM #22Web Hosting Guru
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So only one part of one of their datacenters is Tier III?
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03-19-2011, 11:04 AM #23Always Ask...Don't Pretend!
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Their Phoenix location is the only Tier III, check it here:
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03-30-2011, 01:58 PM #24Web Hosting Master
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To clarify, only their DESIGN was certified, not their building. There are two things you can do to be certified, you can say - I plan on building my datacenter like this, and the DOCUMENT gets certified. Or you can have them actually audit your facility and have the FACILITY certified.
Design documents != the facility
Honestly, I don't know of a single Tier IV colo facility that got certified. I do not know their reasons, but I assume it is the same reason we are not certified so I can explain that and it might shed some light on this.
So while we have a decent amount of hosting customers, a vast majority of our customers are enterprises who bring in their own engineers to go over our as-builts and walk the facility. A tier certification makes no difference to them because they need to do their own audit anyway.
We just do not see the benefit of paying the 100k or whatever it is to get a full facility certification when it is not going to be used by anything but marketing. And we really don't see the point in having them certify a set of papers. Our customers would laugh at us if we said - good news, you do not need to audit us because these documents got certified as T3Jordan Jacobs | VP, Products|SingleHop| JJ @SingleHop.com
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03-21-2011, 01:03 PM #25THE Web Hosting Master
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Now, I don't feel it needs to be audited by the Uptime Institute to indicate or claim what your tier status is, but I'm also not going to just believe what the marketing people tell me either. You shouldn't need to pay $100k+ to tell people the redundancies in your facility.
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