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12-28-2010, 08:30 PM #1Web Hosting Guru
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Going green while completely reliant on reliable energy
How is this is even possible?
Datacenters/hosters are converting energy into fiber pulses. Is there a datacenter on earth which solely uses solar/wind/geothermal to power their pdus? I very much doubt it.
Do people really think that going green means purchasing carbon credits?
The green phenomenon worked out great for Spain - http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...s-founder.html
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12-28-2010, 10:02 PM #2Web Hosting Master
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Yeah, for sure some hosts have put up the green banners by buying carbon credits and whatnot, and yeah, it's more about marketing and wanting to tap into a current out there in the market.
It is possible to build a DC off the grid, but I wouldn't suggest it. You would just need a LOT of solar panels and a LOT of batteries, and you can make your own power and be off the grid. That's possible, it's just expensive and batteries are very non environmentally friendly, in their manufacturing and disposal of.
The problem with DCs is that they use LOTS of power, so a current DC could build their own solar farm on their roof or next to them if they have the room, that is grid connected. So during the day they would use the energy from their solar farm and at night pull energy off the grid.• WLVPN.com • NetProtect owned White Label VPN provider •
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12-28-2010, 10:09 PM #3Web Hosting Guru
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What you described is true. Finding an investor who would construct such an earth-saving venture is impossible.
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12-29-2010, 02:00 AM #4Web Hosting Master
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The only way to go completely green is to die and be buried and let the Earth reuse your body as plant mulch.
Other than that you can try to do the best you can, but even manufacturing the solar panels and windmills takes much power usage and environmental resources.
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12-31-2010, 09:27 AM #5Newbie
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yep, i have same mind here, go green on some place just become "one of business promotion way"
is i am right or wrong ?
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01-04-2011, 04:11 AM #6Web Hosting Master
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Manufacturing anything leaves a carbon footprint, so the answer is not to stop manufacturing.
Datacentres with access to adequate roof space can install arrays of solar panels, connected to the grid without using batteries. That's probably the best way to offset the amount of power coming off the grid, but you'd need a lot of solar panels to have any serious offset effect of the average DC's energy needs.
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01-04-2011, 06:07 AM #8Web Hosting Master
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Going green seems to be the new thing how ever power will be super hard to be completly green
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01-04-2011, 09:20 AM #9Web Hosting Master
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Guess it depends on the degree of energy savings you need to define as "going green".
For our company, when we moved from dedicated servers to AppLogic for cloud business we cut down from 8+ racks of servers in one datacenter to just one rack. The overall power draw went down proportionally as well.
Those savings worked for us both financially and from a "green" perspective, but we never went to buying green credits or paying for 100% wind energy or the like.█ Brent Presley - brent@innoscale.net
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01-04-2011, 12:53 PM #10Web Hosting Guru
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I guess we are all waiting for one of these hosts that advertise "green hosting" to chime in. We all seem to be in agreement that it is total bs.
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01-04-2011, 04:26 PM #11Web Hosting Master
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Everybody always talks about solar and wind. There are other forms of "green" energy.
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01-04-2011, 04:33 PM #12Web Hosting Guru
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I am extremely doubtful that any investor is going to run a datacenter on 100% renewable power. I attached a picture of the battery room in the datacenter we colo in. Good luck keeping that charged without co2!
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01-04-2011, 04:48 PM #13Web Hosting Master
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01-05-2011, 12:32 AM #14Newbie
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do not too over when using energy, is one of easy way to support "go green"
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01-05-2011, 02:24 AM #15Junior Guru Wannabe
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It is not possible to make the whole big data center work upon green energy. Though we can minimize the energy consumption at first.
Putting solar panels sounds good in hot weathers, but what will cool of those DC's which are beneath them.
There must be sustainable, govt. initiatives on such matter, I think govt. DC's should start upon thinking about this.
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01-05-2011, 02:31 AM #16Web Hosting Guru
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I am curious what country you live in where you believe the government should increase energy costs with hopes of potentially lowering co2 emissions.
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01-05-2011, 02:38 AM #17Web Hosting Master
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I am curious what world you live in where you expect to never have to pay for energy. The side effects of "cheap" are far from cheap, and at some point very soon people are going to have to start paying. The longer you wait, the more you're going to have to pay.
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01-05-2011, 03:55 AM #18Web Hosting Guru
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I can only assume that comment was directed at me. If it was not, I apologize and I would advise you to try to make it more clear in the future who you are talking down to.
It is difficult for me to understand how you could possibly arrive at the conclusion that I think that I should not have to pay for energy. Here is a picture of one of my rows; I may know the cost of energy more then you think.
What does scare more then people like you who jump to ridiculous assumptions are politicians who say things like...
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01-05-2011, 11:51 AM #19Web Hosting Master
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It was.
Please explain how your first statement (from 2-3 posts up) is bad in the context of the second statement. Often, to obtain a higher quality product/service, one must pay more. The more people who move to the higher quality product/service, the more efficiently they can operate, and the lower their prices can go (assuming they're not corporate e-peen-cash-counters like certain telephone and cable companies ).[GB ≠ GiB] [MB ≠ MiB] [kB ≠ kiB] [1000 ≠ 1024] [Giga ≠ gram] [Mega ≠ milli] [Kelvin ≠ kilo] [Byte ≠ bit]
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01-06-2011, 03:25 AM #20Web Hosting Guru
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Often, to obtain a higher quality product/service, one must pay more
Please explain how your first statement (from 2-3 posts up) is bad in the context of the second statement.
The more people who move to the higher quality product/service, the more efficiently they can operate, and the lower their prices can go (assuming they're not corporate e-peen-cash-counters like certain telephone and cable companies
I stick to my premise that "going green" in an industry completely reliant on energy is total BS and at best a marketing scheme. The people who might buy into this are the ones purchasing fruit at 3x the price labeled "organic" when it came from China. (ie dumb people and/or hippies)How to spot a hosting reseller:
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01-06-2011, 10:56 AM #21Web Hosting Master
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There's your quote.
Statement 1: government should increase enegery costs
Statement 2: potential decrease in CO2 emissions
No, I'm saying that the more people use a service (any service), the more efficiently the provider of that service can provide it, and thereby decrease the cost to their users. Hiring a crew to do a one-time set up of a PV system and then firing them a week later when they're done, then hiring another crew to do it two months later somewhere else isn't efficient. You have to find a new crew each time, get a contract written each time, etc. If you've got lots of customers buying PV systems, you can have a few permanent crews, so you've only got to write that contract once, you don't have to keep hiring different people because the group you hired the last time was busy on another contract the next time you needed them, you've got a predictable incoming cash flow from customers, etc.
Look up "Solar City".
There's plenty of organic stuff that doesn't come from China. See your local farmers' market. Actually, I've never seen anything in my grocery store that came from China labeled organic. Green is only as much of a fad as anti-obesity. The disgustingly squishy morons are going to have a lot of problems in the future, and so will the coal-breathers.[GB ≠ GiB] [MB ≠ MiB] [kB ≠ kiB] [1000 ≠ 1024] [Giga ≠ gram] [Mega ≠ milli] [Kelvin ≠ kilo] [Byte ≠ bit]
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01-06-2011, 12:01 PM #22Web Hosting Master
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This thread deteriorated quickly. Back to the OP, I do not know of a DC that operates on 100% renewable sources. Haven't even heard of one successfully attempting it as of yet. We moved part of our generators to NG instead of Diesel which reduced some footprint, but the uptime has to be maintained so that diesel tank will remain in place along with the emergency portables.
I hate seeing the green banners and marketing by hosts that it is obvious they are doing nothing but buying/claiming carbon offset certs. That is not green and honestly unlimited hosting claims are just as believable. The tech industry consumes a lot and most of them do nothing to help offset their usage so I see it as a frivolous claim personally.
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01-06-2011, 12:37 PM #23Web Hosting Master
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[GB ≠ GiB] [MB ≠ MiB] [kB ≠ kiB] [1000 ≠ 1024] [Giga ≠ gram] [Mega ≠ milli] [Kelvin ≠ kilo] [Byte ≠ bit]
There is no millibit. There is no gram-bit. There is no Kelvin-Byte.
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01-06-2011, 12:55 PM #24Web Hosting Master
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I saw one example and still can't claim 100% if the generators are dependent on dino-fuel. They have done a heck of a job I will say that though.
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01-06-2011, 01:06 PM #25Junior Guru Wannabe
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Found this : http://didier.misson.net/blog/2009/0...laire-nopower/ looks like a small test setup
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