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10-27-2011, 02:09 PM #101Web Hosting Master
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Hitachi SATA drives have been very reliable for us. We've had better luck with Hitachi than with Seagate recently in terms of failure rates. The 7200.11 and 7200.12 Seagate models have not had a great track record for us so far.
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10-27-2011, 02:16 PM #102Web Hosting Guru
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10-27-2011, 02:53 PM #103Death Penalty for Spamers
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Im glad we stocked up on a few hundred drives of various sizes to get through this!
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10-27-2011, 02:57 PM #104Web Hosting Guru
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10-27-2011, 04:06 PM #105
Yeah, circa that timeframe these drives were called "deathstars" for this reason. Though to a certain extent every manufacturer can have these issues. We won't touch Seagate for the same reason you will only buy Seagate. WD has been good to us (aside from raptor drives which are terrible), so we buy all WD if we can help it. We buy 3tb hitachis and haven't had issues with those. Samsungs we bought 20 of those a while back, and they didn't perform that great and the failure rate was a little higher than our other disks, but by and large if WD wasn't so much better, then I would have no problem buying Samsungs again.
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10-27-2011, 04:10 PM #106
I'm sure that has little to do with the reliability. Remember, they used to be "IBM deathstars" before they became "hitachi deathstars". I'm pretty sure IBM designed the drive in the first place -- badly -- and then it took quite a while after hitachi bought out the deskstar business before they were able to resolve those problems. So their new products are totally different, although the deskstar name lives on. It's like if Porsche released a Porsche Pinto or a Porsche Edsel, people would be wary of buying it based on the name no matter what was under the hood.
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10-27-2011, 05:15 PM #107Web Hosting Master
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IMO, anyone who puts desktop drives into 24x7 servers does so at their own peril, regardless of brand.
The only Seagate disks we've ever had fail were AS (desktop) units and even then, the failure rate was ridiculously low.
We've never had a failure, ever, of the 15k SAS Cheetahs, nor any of the ES/NS series SATA disks which are designed for 24x7 use.
The Cheetas are pretty remarkable. They are pounded on HARD during weekdays without a complaint, and they're screaming fast.Last edited by Sekweta; 10-27-2011 at 05:23 PM.
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10-27-2011, 05:17 PM #108Web Hosting Master
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Weren't the deathstars the 60 GB 7.2k SATA (or IDE) units?
Our disaster came from the 36 GB 10k SCSI units.
One of our clients has a NAS/SAN unit that came populated from the factory with Samsung disks. They started having failures after ~2 years, enough so that they did a proactive replacement of all the remaining "good" disks. (one by one of course, which took weeks to accomplish)Last edited by Sekweta; 10-27-2011 at 05:21 PM.
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10-27-2011, 05:21 PM #109Not so experienced
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Anyone know what's going to happen to RMA's? I just RMAd a few WD drives today and remembered about the shortage..
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10-27-2011, 05:58 PM #110Web Hosting Master
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TERRIBLE news, folks!
by tomorrow morning, WD 500G/1GB, RE4 and black drives, wholesale price will be up to 100%-120% since Oct-18! one single 1TB RE4 will be ~US$220 comparing to under $100 on Oct-18, and single 500GB RE4 will be over $150...
this tells me supplies are drying out!
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10-27-2011, 06:08 PM #111Aspiring Evangelist
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... Wow. I'm glad we're not expanding so rapidly that we have to insist on new servers from both QuadraNet and I/O Flood.
We're good for now... but eventually, we will need to build new servers. Hopefully after next year Q2 starts, or whichever is the expected return-to-normal production period to resume.
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10-27-2011, 06:30 PM #112Web Hosting Master
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What do you think will happen with major providers of dedicated servers? As Soflayer, Hetzner, OVH.
I have read that CEO of OVH announces that will receive only 20% of hard drives needed for November and 10% for December.
This added to the high prices of hard drives, I see a general increase prices especially in low-cost providers.0
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10-27-2011, 06:32 PM #113Rockin' the beer gut
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10-27-2011, 06:49 PM #114Web Hosting Master
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I've also read in several websites that the factories will return to normal activity in January. Really? If you see images of Thailand, I see complicated back to normal activity in 2 months.
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10-27-2011, 06:50 PM #115Web Hosting Master
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10-27-2011, 06:56 PM #116Web Hosting Master
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Yes, that's so. But in OVH for example are buying 20k new hard drives per month to deliver new servers and have stock for failures.
I see a very serious problem if a provider of that size, will receive next month only 4k units.Last edited by skywin; 10-27-2011 at 07:06 PM.
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10-27-2011, 07:05 PM #117Aspiring Evangelist
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Ouch... yeah, that's a pretty serious problem.
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10-27-2011, 07:07 PM #118Poooooonnyyy :*
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10-27-2011, 07:21 PM #119
Ebay is viable for me since I don't need tons of drives. Just picked up 5x new 500's for $60 each which is halfway between the 'old' price of 40 and the current prices of 80. If I needed 50 drives a week though ebay wouldn't be very useful. For system builders the shortage is even worse than the higher prices. For me the higher price is the more relevant issue.
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10-27-2011, 08:05 PM #120Web Hosting Master
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There would be less of a shortage if people were less scared of there being a shortage.
People are stocking up and getting drives they do not need yet.http://www.bitaccel.com/ - High resource vps hosting and vps resellers.0
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10-27-2011, 09:02 PM #121Poooooonnyyy :*
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You can get what's known as 'whitelabel' drives which are refirb drives that weren't done by the 1st party so they get this silly label over the drives but they're pretty much the same drives.
They get a 1 year warranty on them and i've been tempted to pick up a single drive just to see how they do but don't really have the nerves yet
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10-27-2011, 09:10 PM #123Poooooonnyyy :*
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