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02-26-2006, 03:02 AM #1Videographer
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Iraq civil war
Got tired of editing my videos...
Anyone see where a near civil war has broken out in Iraq?
They're burning each other's churches
Not sure if the Bush(s) went after phoney WMD's or Saddam
Now, the Bush admin is totally taken by surprise and doesn't have a clue what to do with 150,000 troops over there.
2,500 Americans killed (so far)
One thing's for certain...after 4 years over there, they'll all be home before the next presidential election.
No wonder I'm apolitical like the majority of the country.
"Laziest congress ever" - Lou Dobbs, CNN
Guess they should get off their behinds and vote themselves a pay raise.
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02-26-2006, 03:06 AM #2Web Hosting Master
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It would help to have some kind of exit plan.
It's time to negotiate. That's probably the only thing that'll solve this.IntelliSerp - The most accurate and intelligent keyword rank tracking software.
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02-26-2006, 03:14 AM #3Web Hosting Evangelist
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The US is stuck now.
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02-26-2006, 03:26 AM #4Aspiring Evangelist
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That's bureacracy for ya. I agree with conservative values, but the Bush administration has really screwed up.
First, the disbandment of the army of Iraq put over 100,000 battle hardened men out of a job.
Then they have to be stupid and try to "unify Iraq", when what it really needs is partitioning. These cultures need to be contained, because their radicalism allows what little differences they have to cause war.
For instance, Kurdistan should be partitioned, and then a section for Shiite and Sunni respectively.
But this won't get done I'm sure.
We've "liberated" the Shiites, whose religion is more strict than the Sunni minority who was in power.
So we "freed" the Shiites to restrict themselves. And everyone else while they are at it.
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02-26-2006, 03:48 AM #5Web Hosting Master
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In bosnia they have 3 presidents, one for muslim bosnians, one for serb bosnians, and one for croats. But that system isn't really working either cause bosnia isn't improving much and it seems like it's impossible now to remove 3 presidents and just add 1 to run the whole country, because majority which are muslim bosnians would win and then other 2 people would complain.
I don't really know, lots of mess in iraq right now.IntelliSerp - The most accurate and intelligent keyword rank tracking software.
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02-26-2006, 04:11 AM #6Videographer
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i think the wheels just fell off
i don't know much about politics but i'd be willing to bet republicans will start to distance themselves from the president
remember...it's not how you play the game
it's whether you win or lose the electionLast edited by zoobie; 02-26-2006 at 04:15 AM.
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02-26-2006, 05:20 AM #7Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by WHTer
It's time to negotiate. That's probably the only thing that'll solve this.
Maybe the Coalition forces should just pull out and let them "Darwin" eachother into non-existance?• WLVPN.com • NetProtect owned White Label VPN provider •
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02-26-2006, 05:29 AM #8Videographer
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I'll bet they're in an emergency session right now in the whitehouse...pulling what hair they have left out...
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02-26-2006, 06:40 AM #9ex-Aussie
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Originally Posted by Aussie Bob
I've seen that optimism grow your business from where you were, with your last business failing (you've mentioned it here from time to time) to a place where you broke ground on your new (current) home - and made a ton of cash along the way, and have a great place where you and your family are sitting fairly well. You used that positive attitude to really get ahead, and I don't think anybody could say that you've been wrong, or proven to 'cut corners' or create a single ounce of bad feeling doing so.
You made good, by doing good, as a good person.
In the spirit(subject) of this thread however, I don't really think this is the case.
I think things are about to get kind of ugly over there shortly.Former Webhost... now, just a guy.
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02-26-2006, 08:35 AM #10Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by Aussie Bob
Originally Posted by Aussie Bob
Problem is as soon as we leave a power vacuum will ensue and then Iran will come in to take over and all hell will break lose in the entire region including Israel and the Kurds and Turks. It is a very serious and unstable situation which could lead to a WWIII.
Sad to say I do not think Bush has the brains to manage the situation, he does not listen to anything he does not want to hear.
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02-26-2006, 08:39 AM #11Predatory Poster
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I'd assume most of the politicians are lighting cigars with the kick back money they get from the corporations with rebuilding contracts in Iraq. Why do anything when you can let a bunch of buildings get leveled come back in later and build them again and then repeat. Sounds like a pretty well thought out scam to me.
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02-26-2006, 09:10 AM #12Videographer
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While Cheney was CEO, Halliburton did over $70 million in business with Saddam.
Cheney's buddy he shot got the lions share of rebuilding contracts...With more success comes more expense!
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Originally Posted by akashik
In the spirit(subject) of this thread however, I don't really think this is the case.
They're also writing up scenarios for heaps of things that may never happen. Some of these papers make their way to the decision makers, and most probably don't. An exit strategy for Iraq is probably top of the list, with these analysts. How to implement such, well, that's entirely another matter.
James Spader stared in a movie, where he was on of these analysts working for the Pentagon. I think that movie was back in the Vietnam era, and his goal was to get as close to the people in power, with his analytical papers. They eventually sent him to Vietnam to make first hand assesments.
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02-26-2006, 10:43 AM #14Web Hosting Master
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Iraq has always had major tensions, Shi'a vs Sunni, Arab vs Kurd, Chief's vs merchants, etc. The only reason things were "controlled" under Saddam was that the Sunni-Arab minority held all the power and ruthlessly attacked anyone that threatened their power. Torture and murder were the norm for the Ba'ath party, entire villages were made to pay the price if a resident was a "trouble maker".
I don't believe removing the troops is the answer, the violence would merely spiral out of control and many, many innocent people would die."Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
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02-26-2006, 10:52 AM #15Hail Eris !
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You need to take step back and try to forget all politics and figure out why was US in the Iraq in the first place. I already posted about this, but it does not take much to figure it out. Only thing that is NOT is US interest is stable Iraq selling oil for euros to anyone but US. Any other Iraq (including unstable Iraq in civil war) is beneficial to US. US friendly Iraq could have been nice bonus but it did not realize. Right now the race is on, will the US find alternative source of energy before Iraq stabilizes. I am sure at least some of the troops will stay there to make sure that is the case.
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02-26-2006, 11:29 AM #17Hail Eris !
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02-26-2006, 01:00 PM #18Web Hosting Master Disaster
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At this point, either way you go many innocent people are going to die. War is what it is… many civilians have died during this war and many more will die as well.
The problem now is how to leave without condemning those who supported the US to death. Is it possible to leave Iraq and not have another Saddam in the wing…Windows 10 to Linux and Mac OSX: I'm PARSECs better than you. Eat my dust!!!
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02-26-2006, 07:20 PM #20Web Hosting Master
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Wait a second...are you telling me that Sunnis and Shi'ites don't get along?!
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Originally Posted by DevilDog"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
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02-27-2006, 12:43 AM #23rogue element
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Is Iraq experiencing civil war? The experts have been divided on this question for a year and a half. This article is still relevant:
http://www.cfr.org/publication/8869/...dcrumb=default
I'm with those who say Iraq is on the brink of civil war, but compared to other civil wars what we're seeing isn't that bad. Not that it's good. I still put it at 50/50.Eric J. Bowman, principal
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Originally Posted by trau
I once visited a village in the Czech Republic that consisted of a low wall, and a set of statues. It turns out that during WW2, some local resistance fighters killed a fairly senior member of the local nazi conquerers, and in retaliation everyone in the village was killed (men, women and children, nuns, clergy, old and young), every building razed and thousands of tonnes of earth were brought in and grass was planted where the town once was. I think that anyone who has visited somewhere like that, a ghetto or a concentration/extermination camp will say that you at least have to *try* to do a good thing, even if it happens to be removing the worst of 2 evils, if only to stop history repeating itself in such a barbaric way..