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    How important is IPv6?

    Hi all,

    We're currently in the development stage for our cloud controller (read: like OnApp) platform and I'm just wondering how important IPv6 is to have in there. IPv6 complicates a lot of things, so is it worth the extra time and money to implement IPv6? Will you lose sales if you don't have IPv6?

    Thanks

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    Question is if end user is ready for it and do they really want it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by netirons View Post
    Question is if end user is ready for it and do they really want it?
    That is indeed the question, I don't have the answer to it though, so I was wondering if anyone here does.

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    You will hardly get any query for ipv6. There is no shortage of ipv4 so far. They are easily available. See in forums few companies are leasing ip which means they are spare.

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    Question is what do you want to control and will you need to connect via IPv6. Also, how exactly does it complicate things in your case? I would try to build it as flexible as possible to make a possible migration easy but going the extra mile to ensure full support might not be yet necessary. The answer is probably "it depends".

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoid View Post
    Question is what do you want to control and will you need to connect via IPv6. Also, how exactly does it complicate things in your case? I would try to build it as flexible as possible to make a possible migration easy but going the extra mile to ensure full support might not be yet necessary. The answer is probably "it depends".
    Agree!!!!

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    IPv6 is going to be the future so you will have to implement it some day.

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    Comcast have IPv6 available to 100% of their customers now and claims to be doing 1Tbit/s of IPv6 internet facing traffic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saschoen View Post
    IPv6 is going to be the future so you will have to implement it some day.
    This. The question is not "should I do IPv6 or not?" The question you should be asking is "Should I implement IPv6 now or later?"

    It isn't a matter of if IPv6 will be necessary, the question is when IPv6 will be necessary. Do you want to pay to implement it now? Or do you want to defer the cost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfried View Post
    It isn't a matter of if IPv6 will be necessary, the question is when IPv6 will be necessary. Do you want to pay to implement it now? Or do you want to defer the cost?
    Yes, eventually IPv6 (or maybe already its successor) will be required but the question is the when and here I am not sure we'll be talking about the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by netirons View Post
    There is no shortage of ipv4 so far. They are easily available.
    ARIN would disagree with you. Trying to get new allocations today is drastically different from even six months ago.

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    This'll be an IaaS kind of thing, so it'll essentially be VPSs.

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    You don't have to do IPv6 now, but as people have said, its not IF, but when.
    If you envisage your platform to still be live/growing in 2-3 years then v6 is going to be imperative.

    I think you'd be silly not to implement it from the start, far easier to do that than to try and retrofit it when you have a live platform with a few thousand customers want 99.999999% SLA's
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoid View Post
    Also, how exactly does it complicate things in your case?
    I'd stress this question again.

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    In reference to Zoid's question, there are less IPv6 familiar engineers, and we are limited in terms of upstreams that we can use for IPv6. Regardless, we've taken the decision to implement IPv6.

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    None of our users are using our services directly via IPv6. The only IPv6 traffic we have is from other IPv6 enabled DNS and mail servers and it's les than 1% of total traffic, and those would just switch to ipv4 if we disabled 6.

    However, by implementing it, and in our case it's extremely simple to run the dual stack, we are part of the IPv6 chicken-egg solution, not problem.

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    We have implemented IPv6 and it's fairly easy.

    When IPv4 is almost depleted worldwide, you can't just avoid because there is low traffic. If everyone will wait until the traffic builds up no one will switch, so it would never build up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfried View Post
    This. The question is not "should I do IPv6 or not?" The question you should be asking is "Should I implement IPv6 now or later?"

    It isn't a matter of if IPv6 will be necessary, the question is when IPv6 will be necessary. Do you want to pay to implement it now? Or do you want to defer the cost?
    I'd even say, the question is: "Why haven't we already implemented IPv6 so far?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amfy View Post
    I'd even say, the question is: "Why haven't we already implemented IPv6 so far?"
    At this rate we probably won't see full IPv6 adoption for another century and a half...
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    Lots of ISPS are rolling out IPv6, comcast is already deploying it in the masses. Several customers have IPv6 _only_ connections for services already.

    Lots of customers are asking for IPv6 and adapting to it. Just a matter of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FastReturn View Post
    Hi all,

    We're currently in the development stage for our cloud controller (read: like OnApp) platform and I'm just wondering how important IPv6 is to have in there. IPv6 complicates a lot of things, so is it worth the extra time and money to implement IPv6? Will you lose sales if you don't have IPv6?

    Thanks
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    here (in germany) currently minimum of the biggest access-provider (cable-tv/internet) connect there end-users only with ipv6 and ipv4-nat to the internet.

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    IP4 in RIPE / Europe is already essentially depleted.

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    IP4 is depleted already for 5 or more years, isn't it? I usually turn ipv6 off. Do you know some statistics/graphs comparing usage of ipv4 vs ipv6 in time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David@****** View Post
    IP4 is depleted already for 5 or more years, isn't it? I usually turn ipv6 off. Do you know some statistics/graphs comparing usage of ipv4 vs ipv6 in time?
    How you want to possibly see an increase in IPv6 traffic, if most content providers as well as ISPs are presenting the same
    I usually turn ipv6 off
    attitude?

    We all have to switch it on and the traffic will come. On the other hand if we won't the traffic will never grow.
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