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01-14-2014, 10:42 AM #1WHT Addict
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NYC DDoS Protected Colocation
Hey guys, I am looking for 10u - half rack DDoS protected collocation in NYC. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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01-14-2014, 11:07 AM #2Disabled
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Can you give a little more detail on your needs? What bandwidth you need, type of attack you're most likely to need protecting from (UDP, SYN Flood, HTTP/HTTPS...), "how much" DDoS protection in terms of PPS (packets per second)? What is your budget?
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01-14-2014, 11:35 AM #3Web Hosting Guru
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If its colocation you are looking for I don't think it will include DDoS protection.
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01-14-2014, 11:59 AM #4Web Hosting Master
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01-14-2014, 12:25 PM #6WHT Addict
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Tons of providors provide DDoS protected colocation. Awknet, CNServer, Voxility, etc. I am looking to protect against data heavy UDP floods mainly, probably up to somewhere around 10Gbps.
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Is NYC a fixed requirement? Or would New Jersey work?
You can take a look at Choopa/Constant (same company), they have recently started providing DDoS protection to dedicated server customers and most likely available to colo customers as well. You will most likely save a large amount as well by opting for NJ rather than NYC.
If you're fixed on NYC then InfoRelay may be able to provide something as well.Patrick ~ INIZ
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Last edited by Steven F; 01-14-2014 at 12:39 PM.
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01-14-2014, 01:13 PM #9Web Hosting Guru
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01-14-2014, 02:27 PM #13Web Hosting Guru
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Even 40-60 gbps is too small. Here's the proof:
http://www.digitalattackmap.com/#ani...084&view=table
Why are you laughing about 500gbps protection? Seriously asking, not trolling.
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01-14-2014, 02:29 PM #14Web Hosting Master
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01-14-2014, 05:37 PM #17Web Hosting Master
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01-14-2014, 05:59 PM #18
LOL no. It's no big secret that OVH put their 160Gb VAC/Tilera/Arbor systems into 3 DCs to scrub traffic. What is less obvious is the way they set up peering (for example, down the west coast of the USA with KDDI, HiNET, NTT etc) to be able to drop dirty traffic before it entered their network and they had to pay to haul it across North America and the Atlantic to get it to Roubaix to scrub it.
And I apologise for posting misinformation. I said they could absorb 3Tb excess traffic. Apparently it's gone up to 5Tbps. Sorry about that.
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01-14-2014, 06:07 PM #19Poooooonnyyy :*
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You can see if Staminus sells colocation but I doubt it. You may be able to setup at choopa and then just haul protection from Staminus' east coast location.
It's only 0.5ms between the two locations so the overhead is minimal.
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01-14-2014, 06:09 PM #20Web Hosting Master
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01-14-2014, 06:28 PM #21
With my practical experience of it (allowing for other customers taking badness at the same time we got a "big" one) I'd say about 300Gbs is pushing the limit through their DC systems. But that doesn't allow for their ability to filter it out before it gets to DC level. Their network techs are seriously "cheeky" in this area.
Please don't fluff-and-nonse stuff. If you don't have experience I'll grant you 0% knowledge of it. Let readers of this cast their own votes. My own experience (4 weeks ago) was several hundred Gbs of trouble. They took it, handled it, and didn't even discuss it till we talked to them. They discussed it seriously and professionally then, and dismissed me as trying to make too much noise about something they take for granted. I'll totally accept if you have an issue with that. Life works that way.
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01-14-2014, 06:36 PM #22Web Hosting Master
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01-15-2014, 07:37 PM #23Web Hosting Guru
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If you had any experience with Arbor Peakflow, you'd know that of course it's not always "on." SP will start to off-ramp the traffic quickly (depending on thresholds), but all mitigation systems work like that. There's always a small delay before they activate. I don't quite get what your point is.
Also, large volumetric attacks are quite easy to block at the edge of the network. ACLs are part of DDoS filtering capacity.
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01-15-2014, 07:44 PM #24Web Hosting Master
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01-15-2014, 09:15 PM #25CISSP-ISSMP, CISA
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I believe that CNServers uses an inline system which is likely to engage more quickly, so he is quick to defend the fact that his service will begin filtering faster than Arbor, NSFOCUS, etc.
The major concern with inline systems is that they represent a point of failure on the network and are difficult to scale beyond a few 10G interfaces, difficult to scale into multiple locations, are more likely to impact performance when attacks are not occurring, and more likely to engage filters that are not needed when significant attacks are not occurring.
I have used various vendors, both BGP diversion and inline and can attest that inline becomes less attractive when the size of your scrubbing center exceeds probably 40 Gbps.
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