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    "Taxation by Misrepresentation", an E-book by John W. Benson, is by far the best explanation of our income tax system and the laws involved in compelling citizens to pay income tax.

    All IRS processes and procedures are based on the revenue procedures employed by the king's revenue officials in the Exchequer (Treasury) in 1791, dressed up in modern garb. [more]
    I have been hearing bits and pieces along these lines over the last few years...

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    This is one of those internet myths do not always believe what you read.

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    Income Tax is Voluntary
    The income tax is not voluntary, some countries like China has the lowest tax, other parts of the world up to 40% (Example: UK, depends on income)
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    Good government not need a TAX
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    Oh ... that is an interesting view. How do government get money in order to operate?
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    Prior to personal income tax, the main source of taxation in the US was tariffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shannara View Post
    Oh ... that is an interesting view. How do government get money in order to operate?
    Government is the biggest business in the country. They can easily work out a way to be profitable without taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultima Systems
    Government is the biggest business in the country. They can easily work out a way to be profitable without taxes.
    Maybe open up a couple hot dog stands?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultima Systems View Post
    Government is the biggest business in the country. They can easily work out a way to be profitable without taxes.
    How exactly?

    Just to keep the MoD in action is a pretty number per year let alone everything else...

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    Is this a Matthew Lesko production?

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    "Technically" income tax is voluntary, to an extent.

    Depending on what you claim on your taxes, depends on how much of an interest free loan the government gets every year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultima Systems View Post
    Government is the biggest business in the country. They can easily work out a way to be profitable without taxes.
    Yes, but it would involve them operating like a business: no financial hand-outs, free services (except as "upsell opportunities"), etc.

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    I WISH that income tax was voluntary

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    They don't mind putting their ex agents that have claimed this in jail, nor do they mind putting Irwin Schiff away (a wealthy man through tax protest activity, even while sitting long times in jail)

    If they didn't work for them, I doubt their arguments will work for you.

    Social Security was also a 'voluntary' program when it was passed and even newspapers ads of old can be found touting that, but it is enforced as mandatory.

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    Well of course THE IRS is going to say it IS NOT VOLUNTARY! (They dont want the sheep knowing the truth)





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    You let us know how that works out for you.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by DewlanceHosting View Post
    Good government not need a TAX
    How do you pay for your Military? How do you pay the salaries of poloticians, as it is a full time job and nobody can afford to work for free?

    an old quote that is so true. The only thing in life that is for sure is death and taxes. This is because they are neccessary evils.

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    I forgot i posted another thread about this here on WHT,it has added excellent info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Well of course THE IRS is going to say it IS NOT VOLUNTARY! (They dont want the sheep knowing the truth)




    If you want to pull a Wesley Snipes go right ahead. You see where that landed him. You legally have to file your tax returns or you will be sent to jail. If you file and don't pay they will start to levy you and take other legal action, but the chance of going to jail will be slim. Either way you are legally responsible for the money owed to pay your taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Well of course THE IRS is going to say it IS NOT VOLUNTARY! (They dont want the sheep knowing the truth)
    Do you pay income taxes?

    The IRS isn't always the most competent group, but these loopholes that exist aren't there for the common people. Now, if you're wealthy enough to donate your own art collection to your own private museum as a write-off, that's different.
    If you have to operate your company behind the scenes or under a fake name, maybe it's time to leave the industry and start something fresh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultima Systems View Post
    Government is the biggest business in the country. They can easily work out a way to be profitable without taxes.
    Really!!? Last time I looked the US was over 14 trillion dollars in debt. So how do you propose they be profitable without taxation???


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    Quote Originally Posted by sosolabs View Post
    How do you pay for your Military? How do you pay the salaries of poloticians, as it is a full time job and nobody can afford to work for free?

    an old quote that is so true. The only thing in life that is for sure is death and taxes. This is because they are neccessary evils.

    Please show me where your money tree grows! I could use some right now.
    True, but before 1913 there was no income tax, and even back then the income tax was very small.

    There would always need to be taxes and the income tax is far from the only tax the federal government has on us. (ex. Gas, Tobacco, Alcohol, Estate, Gift, Capital Gains, Tariffs, etc)

    Congress used to be part time in the beginning of the country, we could start with that

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_expenditures

    That is another thing we could address, along with the billions given to other countries for nothing in return (ex. North Korea, Egypt, etc).

    No income tax would be hard, but a smaller income tax is definitely possible.
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    It's the U.S. government. "stupid" is the best word to describe it.

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    In any case coutries having taxes more than 15% should rethink their stands.
    Taxes are important but they should not discourage earnings
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyPenguin View Post
    Really!!? Last time I looked the US was over 14 trillion dollars in debt. So how do you propose they be profitable without taxation???
    Over 15 now, technically they don't have to have an income tax because they print money anyways. Printing money is the biggest tax because it provides them with the money to spend over budget and decreases the value of the money that we hold.

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    My feeling on this subject is the government should not tax a worker's income or a worker's production. There's plenty of other taxes the government can derive an income from, and leave a worker's income untaxed. The more money a worker has in his or her pocket, means the more they can spend, and the bigger the economy will be, as a result.

    Taking a portion of a worker's income, and decreasing their spending power, and then redistributing that money through government, is just a crazy and inefficient form of socialism and failed limp wristed idealism. I doubt your founding fathers ever foresaw taxes on a worker's income as being a good thing for your country.
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    Just don't pay taxes at all that always works out right.

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    My dad tried this BS many years ago and got audited for it.

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    I know someone who didn''t file his taxes for nearly ten years. He knew he didn't owe any money and just hated doing his taxes. One day he got a call from the IRS telling him he had to file his taxes. He asked why and said he didn't owe anything. They agreed and said their estimations show they owed him quite a bit of money, but legally he still had to file. So he hird and accountant and got back $20k or so. Moral of the story of the story and something you'd learn from these failed attempts to get out of paying taxes... You must legally file your taxes. Fail to do so any you will be sent to jail. But if you file and don't pay the chances of you going to jail are basically null. They will just come after you until you pay or take legal action against you. But you won't be incarcerated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaJae View Post
    I know someone who didn''t file his taxes for nearly ten years. He knew he didn't owe any money and just hated doing his taxes. One day he got a call from the IRS telling him he had to file his taxes. He asked why and said he didn't owe anything. They agreed and said their estimations show they owed him quite a bit of money, but legally he still had to file. So he hird and accountant and got back $20k or so. Moral of the story of the story and something you'd learn from these failed attempts to get out of paying taxes... You must legally file your taxes. Fail to do so any you will be sent to jail. But if you file and don't pay the chances of you going to jail are basically null. They will just come after you until you pay or take legal action against you. But you won't be incarcerated.
    I help people prepare their taxes (a volunteer gig through an IRS program), and tax credits can result in significant tax refunds -- particularly for those who are low-income. It makes sense to file!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyPenguin View Post
    Really!!? Last time I looked the US was over 14 trillion dollars in debt. So how do you propose they be profitable without taxation???
    Stop all those silly wars?
    Stop neocolonialism?
    Stop paying to dictators and politicians all over the world to do their bidding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex-developer View Post
    The income tax is not voluntary, some countries like China has the lowest tax, other parts of the world up to 40% (Example: UK, depends on income)
    We're at 50% now (over ~$300,000)

    But I don't think we're the worst.

    Go to Monaco, you pay no tax there, the government just own all the hotels and casinos
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    Quote Originally Posted by serverhouse View Post
    Go to Monaco, you pay no tax there, the government just own all the hotels and casinos
    That is interesting. Absolutely zero income tax?

    Is health care private or state-provided?

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    Also state funded.

    Only one small hitch

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    Quote Originally Posted by serverhouse View Post
    Also state funded.

    Only one small hitch

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    Yikes. Studio apartments for $900K, and two bedroom apartments for $5 million to $9 million?

    How are housing prices throughout the country as a whole?

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    The country as a whole is .75 square miles.

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