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06-11-2011, 03:13 PM #1Junior Guru Wannabe
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Best DC for colocation in UK and NL.
hi everyone.
we're need a suitable datacenter for colocation use for cloud.
our needs are:
- full rack.
- 1Gbps full duplex bandwidth.
- 2*1Gbps up-link ports.
- at least 20,30 amp power.
- IPs registered in our companies name.
- cpanel and direct admin licenses
- remote hands
quality of services and DC's work background is the most important thing for us.
now at this time we're looking into work with UK2, but before going further into contract things we want to make sure about our choice.
so, we're looking forward for your offers.
Best Regards.
Benygh.Last edited by Benygh91; 06-11-2011 at 03:23 PM.
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06-12-2011, 01:06 AM #2Junior Guru Wannabe
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Evoswitch (Leaseweb) is probably your best bet in .nl
for .uk
UK2, IceColo (M247)
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06-12-2011, 03:21 AM #3Web Hosting Master
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UKGrid in Manchester UK gets our vote.
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06-12-2011, 03:29 AM #4Junior Guru Wannabe
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we checked into uk dc s and it seems uk2 has the best pricing. about nl dc s we already contacted leaseweb and equinix for their services. i think uk2 would be fine. but as we want to put 20 high end servers out there it takes us a long time for making decision.
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06-12-2011, 04:12 AM #5Web Hosting Master
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06-12-2011, 05:43 AM #6Junior Guru Wannabe
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as its europe and the voltage is 220. i think 20 would do fine for 40units.
an unrelated question: should we pay an extra fee for taxes if we buy the hardwares from any europian supplier or vendors in europe in order to send them to a european dc? does supermicro owns an european vendor? like in uk.
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06-12-2011, 10:36 AM #7Web Hosting Master
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230v and you're unlikely to fit 40 servers into a single rack (physically) - a lot will depend on the rails, the servers, the airflow, other devices you're installing (apc/raritan for power control ? kvm over ip ? serial over ip ? nas ? )
You'll most likely have import duty/vat to pay on items you're shipping around.
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06-12-2011, 10:51 AM #8Junior Guru Wannabe
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yes, there are some units space used for other devices.
can you please give us scheme of a full featured full rack with all of the devices you mentioned ?! how many units do they need for their space and how much power would they need !?
for now we just have some servers and one KVM over ip device. but it would be perfect if you give us scheme of a full featured rack customization.
You'll most likely have import duty/vat to pay on items you're shipping around.
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06-12-2011, 10:55 AM #9Web Hosting Master
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06-12-2011, 11:31 AM #10Junior Guru Wannabe
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thanks for the information, can you please help us with the racks ?
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06-12-2011, 01:27 PM #11Web Hosting Master
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For 20-30A power, I know Sota Connect offer that in Kent and UK Grid in Manchester do not. Does it have to be a single rack?
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06-12-2011, 02:54 PM #12Junior Guru Wannabe
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thanks for offers, we'll look into it.
a question about taxes: we want to buy servers from rackservers.com which is official vendor of supermicro in uk. please take a look at the link below: www.rackservers.com/retrieve-quote.aspx
and then send it to a chosen dc in uk. please use the code Q23104 and you will see our unpaid invoice of our chosen servers for cloud with onapp, there is an addee vat fee which is 4000 pounds. i want to know why should we pay this 20% of the original price as tax. as we are not a registered company in europe is this neccessary to pay this fee? is there any way for not paying this fee?
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06-12-2011, 04:56 PM #13Web Hosting Master
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06-12-2011, 05:44 PM #14Junior Guru Wannabe
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so, u say that we contact them and ask them about this situation and if they were to get this VAT fees from us, we should choose another company to buy our servers and see how they're doing about Tax fees. right ?! isn't there any written rule for these Tax Fees ?!
what if we order the hardware parts to datacenter itself ?! though i dont like this idea in some cases like moving servers to another location or issues like this.
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06-12-2011, 05:56 PM #15Web Hosting Master
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06-12-2011, 06:00 PM #16Junior Guru Wannabe
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so, you say that every customer should pay its bought goods VAT Fees which is 20% of original Price ?! isn't there any regulations for us normal people those are going to start a business ?!
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06-12-2011, 06:23 PM #17Web Hosting Master
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06-12-2011, 06:37 PM #18Junior Guru Wannabe
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slow down, man, slow down.
we Are in the Business and business means business, we should observe all the facts here before starting the project. money is not the problem, the problem is that we are not familiar with Eruopean Tax Rules and we want to know is this a european Rule for taxes or its just the companies regulations. if its the companies regulations we're go for another company which has better Tax plans.
thanks.
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06-12-2011, 08:44 PM #19Web Hosting Master
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06-13-2011, 04:24 AM #20Junior Guru Wannabe
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there were a check box for customers from outside of uk, after choosing it VAT was gone. but i dont know whats this about. i contacted them and waiting for their response.
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06-13-2011, 07:23 AM #21Web Hosting Master
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Have a look at http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1055913 and the links from there - my understanding (I'm not a VAT accountant!) is you will either have to VAT register in the UK, or else pay the VAT if you are keeping the servers in the UK.
You could have a word with the UK VAT people - I've always found them surprisingly friendly and helpful, and they will give you a definitive answer - http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/managing/...ng-answers.htmAdvania Thor Data Centre Iceland - www.thordc.com
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06-13-2011, 09:17 AM #22Junior Guru Wannabe
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i called rackservers and got some information about VAT fees, there is two way for us to do buy the goods for our servers and send them over to UK,
first one is : we can buy from UK reseller and send them over to the DC which is in UK. and we should pay VAT Fees even if we are not a European registered company. but if we wanted to buy the goods and export them over to another company it would just charge only the Import Taxes for the destination country.
second way is: we can buy from US and Ship it over to UK, and then we should pay UK's Import Tax and VAT as well.
so as far as i got there is no way around it.
but i'm not sure that what if we ask DC to order the goods for us ?! i think it would do charge the same fees as well but we have to ask for getting this cleared out.
i will post here if there were any news on this matter.
i have just one more question.
we've chosen some chassis which are half size of the normal chassis, we want to know would it take 1/2 unit space in the rack or not ?!
by the way can you please tell us what devices would we need in our full rack expect servers and KVM over IP devices !? can you give us a full scheme of it ?
thanks for your helps.
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06-13-2011, 02:49 PM #24Junior Guru Wannabe
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thanks for the advice.
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