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03-22-2011, 04:28 PM #1Corporate Member
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Own ARIN IP Assignment?
Is it possible as a small US registered business (few racks) to get our own IP assignment and avoid excessive datacenter fees? It's getting hard to sell dedicated servers to VPS companies who need 32 IPs when the DC charges $1/IP. What do I need to do, and what will it cost? Also interested so that our company will be the abuse contact, speeding up the flow of abuse information.
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03-22-2011, 04:35 PM #2Aspiring Evangelist
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As an ISP, for the smallest assignment (a /22, 1024 IPs) you must be multi-homed and currently utilize at least two /24s. The rules are different if you are an end-user, but it sounds like you're an ISP.
This is all clearly laid out on the ARIN site and it's very straight forward to get IPs if you meet the requirements.█ iCall Carrier Services - Carrier-grade VoIP services from a licensed CLEC - http://carriers.icall.com
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03-22-2011, 04:40 PM #3Aspiring Evangelist
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Yep we had no issues in the past getting a /22, we provided proof of several swip'd subnets from different providers that amounted to over two /24's. Keep in mind you will have to pay arin for the IPs and BGP AS#.
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03-22-2011, 04:42 PM #4Web Hosting Master
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We tried about a month ago and you need to have your own contracts with upstream providers, not with the datacenter. Need at least 2 contracts with upstream providers and be able to prove it.
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03-22-2011, 04:55 PM #5Aspiring Evangelist
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This is only to qualify for a /22 under the multi-homing rules. If you qualify for a /20, then multi-homing is a moot point since it's no longer a requirement.
Here's the page you want to look at: https://www.arin.net/resources/reque...ial_alloc.html█ iCall Carrier Services - Carrier-grade VoIP services from a licensed CLEC - http://carriers.icall.com
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03-22-2011, 04:56 PM #6Corporate Member
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OK, we currently get bandwidth from our Datacenters, and one of our DC refuses to SWIP (only rwhois). So sounds like down the road we will just have to look at getting a new location with our own bandwidth and then IPs to accommodate these large IP clients. IPV6/cheap IPs can't come soon enough!
Thanks for all the info.
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03-22-2011, 04:59 PM #7Aspiring Evangelist
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03-22-2011, 05:41 PM #8Managed Service Provider
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03-22-2011, 05:41 PM #9Master of the Truth
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Go to IPv6....
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03-22-2011, 06:12 PM #10Corporate Member
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Yes, we're IPV6 ready at 1 location. Unfortunately the other location is not IPV6 ready (we are, DC aren't) and list price on IPV4 is $1/IP, making it hard to expand / get sales at that location. However it's still nice to have the two locations, and no doubt IPV6 will come to the 2nd location soon. However VPS hosts/customers demand IPV4 (IPV6 is a bonus, but I've never come across a client who would accept IPV6 only). I don't see that changing for a long time, as much as I wish it would!
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03-22-2011, 06:49 PM #11Web Hosting Master
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03-23-2011, 08:43 PM #12
Do you have an ASN?
Aaron Wendel
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03-24-2011, 08:49 AM #13Web Hosting Guru
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Why don't you negotiate IP pricing question with your dc? From what I know it's possible to get a large amount of IPs for $0.75-$0.50 per IPs.
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03-24-2011, 09:14 AM #14Master of the Truth
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Not sure if you have been reading Ny news/tech news but ipv4 is basically depleted so the world of getting cheap ip space is a game coming to a quick end.
Aron is only issu ing new space based on 3 month projections now. Example what we would of qualified for with another /19 we were only approved for a /21 now.
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03-24-2011, 12:02 PM #15Managed Service Provider
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03-24-2011, 02:11 PM #16
The trustee in Nortel's bankruptcy just requested court approval to sell Nortel's IP space to Microsoft for $11.25 per IP. If you take that cost and consider that DC's like to be in the black on expenditures in about 3 months you can expect IPs to be about $4 per month very soon.
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04-01-2011, 05:07 PM #17Web Hosting Master
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Just show how hard it is to get more IP's, look at the requirements they want us to provide:
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1a) For each dynamic pool, please provide:
- subnet assigned
- city/region served
- service type (xDSL, wireless, etc)
- # customers served and/or peak utilization %
1b) For any static assignments to customers, such as leased line, colocation, or virtual private/dedicated servers, list each IP/subnet assigned along with the corresponding customer name.
1c) For any shared web hosting platforms, list each IP address used and provide at least one customer domain hosted on each.
1d) For any internal utilization, list each IP/subnet assigned and the corresponding device name and purpose.
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Now if you are using WHMCS, HyperVM/SolusVM, cpanel (people can setup their own domains outside of WHMCS from their main account), etc, this is going to be a pain to prove lol.www.opticip.com - Optic IP LLC
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04-01-2011, 05:25 PM #18Aaron Wendel
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04-01-2011, 05:27 PM #19Web Hosting Master
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Ya, i bet half of the lists companies come up with are bogus. Especially those using different software to run their business. (WHMCS, HyperVM, SolusVM, Cpanel, Directadmin, etc). Not sure how anyone can apply for IP's if you are semi-fragmented with how services are ran.
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