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    * Own ARIN IP Assignment?

    Is it possible as a small US registered business (few racks) to get our own IP assignment and avoid excessive datacenter fees? It's getting hard to sell dedicated servers to VPS companies who need 32 IPs when the DC charges $1/IP. What do I need to do, and what will it cost? Also interested so that our company will be the abuse contact, speeding up the flow of abuse information.

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    As an ISP, for the smallest assignment (a /22, 1024 IPs) you must be multi-homed and currently utilize at least two /24s. The rules are different if you are an end-user, but it sounds like you're an ISP.

    This is all clearly laid out on the ARIN site and it's very straight forward to get IPs if you meet the requirements.
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    Yep we had no issues in the past getting a /22, we provided proof of several swip'd subnets from different providers that amounted to over two /24's. Keep in mind you will have to pay arin for the IPs and BGP AS#.

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    We tried about a month ago and you need to have your own contracts with upstream providers, not with the datacenter. Need at least 2 contracts with upstream providers and be able to prove it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMEHosting View Post
    We tried about a month ago and you need to have your own contracts with upstream providers, not with the datacenter. Need at least 2 contracts with upstream providers and be able to prove it.
    This is only to qualify for a /22 under the multi-homing rules. If you qualify for a /20, then multi-homing is a moot point since it's no longer a requirement.

    Here's the page you want to look at: https://www.arin.net/resources/reque...ial_alloc.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMEHosting View Post
    We tried about a month ago and you need to have your own contracts with upstream providers, not with the datacenter. Need at least 2 contracts with upstream providers and be able to prove it.
    OK, we currently get bandwidth from our Datacenters, and one of our DC refuses to SWIP (only rwhois). So sounds like down the road we will just have to look at getting a new location with our own bandwidth and then IPs to accommodate these large IP clients. IPV6/cheap IPs can't come soon enough!

    Thanks for all the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gordonrp View Post
    OK, we currently get bandwidth from our Datacenters, and one of our DC refuses to SWIP (only rwhois). So sounds like down the road we will just have to look at getting a new location with our own bandwidth and then IPs to accommodate these large IP clients. IPV6/cheap IPs can't come soon enough!

    Thanks for all the info.
    Guidelines state that /29 or larger assignments should be SWIPed OR listed in the delegated RWhois server. Both will equally satisfy the requirement of showing usage when/if you get your own IPs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voipcarrier View Post
    Guidelines state that /29 or larger assignments should be SWIPed OR listed in the delegated RWhois server. Both will equally satisfy the requirement of showing usage when/if you get your own IPs.
    As a facility that also does not SWIP, we rwhois, RWHOIS is fully 'supported' by ARIN and will clearly show reassignment of resources to you and can be used during a request to show usage.

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    Go to IPv6....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudstr View Post
    Go to IPv6....
    Yes, we're IPV6 ready at 1 location. Unfortunately the other location is not IPV6 ready (we are, DC aren't) and list price on IPV4 is $1/IP, making it hard to expand / get sales at that location. However it's still nice to have the two locations, and no doubt IPV6 will come to the 2nd location soon. However VPS hosts/customers demand IPV4 (IPV6 is a bonus, but I've never come across a client who would accept IPV6 only). I don't see that changing for a long time, as much as I wish it would!

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    Quote Originally Posted by voipcarrier View Post
    This is only to qualify for a /22 under the multi-homing rules. If you qualify for a /20, then multi-homing is a moot point since it's no longer a requirement.

    Here's the page you want to look at: https://www.arin.net/resources/reque...ial_alloc.html

    Then I don't understand what his problem was, as I even asked if there was any other kind of IP block we could qualify for. He said you must have a multi-home setup. He wouldn't budge from the multi-home concept for any IP block.
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    Do you have an ASN?
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    Why don't you negotiate IP pricing question with your dc? From what I know it's possible to get a large amount of IPs for $0.75-$0.50 per IPs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natcoweb View Post
    Why don't you negotiate IP pricing question with your dc? From what I know it's possible to get a large amount of IPs for $0.75-$0.50 per IPs.
    Not sure if you have been reading Ny news/tech news but ipv4 is basically depleted so the world of getting cheap ip space is a game coming to a quick end.

    Aron is only issu ing new space based on 3 month projections now. Example what we would of qualified for with another /19 we were only approved for a /21 now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudstr View Post
    Not sure if you have been reading Ny news/tech news but ipv4 is basically depleted so the world of getting cheap ip space is a game coming to a quick end.

    Aron is only issu ing new space based on 3 month projections now. Example what we would of qualified for with another /19 we were only approved for a /21 now.
    Yeah, instead of a /20 we were just given a /22

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    The trustee in Nortel's bankruptcy just requested court approval to sell Nortel's IP space to Microsoft for $11.25 per IP. If you take that cost and consider that DC's like to be in the black on expenditures in about 3 months you can expect IPs to be about $4 per month very soon.
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    Just show how hard it is to get more IP's, look at the requirements they want us to provide:


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    1a) For each dynamic pool, please provide:
    - subnet assigned
    - city/region served
    - service type (xDSL, wireless, etc)
    - # customers served and/or peak utilization %

    1b) For any static assignments to customers, such as leased line, colocation, or virtual private/dedicated servers, list each IP/subnet assigned along with the corresponding customer name.

    1c) For any shared web hosting platforms, list each IP address used and provide at least one customer domain hosted on each.

    1d) For any internal utilization, list each IP/subnet assigned and the corresponding device name and purpose.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------

    Now if you are using WHMCS, HyperVM/SolusVM, cpanel (people can setup their own domains outside of WHMCS from their main account), etc, this is going to be a pain to prove lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMEHosting View Post
    Just show how hard it is to get more IP's, look at the requirements they want us to provide:


    --------------------------------------------------------------------

    1a) For each dynamic pool, please provide:
    - subnet assigned
    - city/region served
    - service type (xDSL, wireless, etc)
    - # customers served and/or peak utilization %

    1b) For any static assignments to customers, such as leased line, colocation, or virtual private/dedicated servers, list each IP/subnet assigned along with the corresponding customer name.

    1c) For any shared web hosting platforms, list each IP address used and provide at least one customer domain hosted on each.

    1d) For any internal utilization, list each IP/subnet assigned and the corresponding device name and purpose.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------

    Now if you are using WHMCS, HyperVM/SolusVM, cpanel (people can setup their own domains outside of WHMCS from their main account), etc, this is going to be a pain to prove lol.
    Now think about those of us that have hundreds of thousands of addresses and the lists we have to come up with.
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    Ya, i bet half of the lists companies come up with are bogus. Especially those using different software to run their business. (WHMCS, HyperVM, SolusVM, Cpanel, Directadmin, etc). Not sure how anyone can apply for IP's if you are semi-fragmented with how services are ran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMEHosting View Post
    Especially those using different software to run their business. (WHMCS, HyperVM, SolusVM, Cpanel, Directadmin, etc). Not sure how anyone can apply for IP's if you are semi-fragmented with how services are ran.
    You do it by managing your systems effectively

    There's a lot more costs involved that just the fee you currently pay your DC if looking to handle your IPs yourself ...

    BGP capable routers, decent switches, staff training, ARIN fees etc.
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