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09-25-2003, 08:33 PM #1Web Hosting Master
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Cheap router for small hosting operation
Hello.
Does anyone know a cheap router that would be suitable for say 10 - 20 servers (connected via 100mbit).
Its really so the router would show up on the traceroute.
These boxes would only have a max of 100GB/month bandwidth each.
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09-25-2003, 08:46 PM #2Web Hosting Master
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Do you really need a router? I think a switch would be good. Are you doing anything layer3? (I'm going to assume no.)
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09-25-2003, 09:29 PM #3Junior Guru
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get a freebsd+zebra box....
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09-25-2003, 11:27 PM #4Web Hosting Master
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There is no need. He just wanted a hop that shows their name, a Layer 3 switch should do.
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09-25-2003, 11:59 PM #5Junior Guru
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Originally posted by Mfjp
There is no need. He just wanted a hop that shows their name, a Layer 3 switch should do.
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09-26-2003, 12:19 AM #6Junior Guru Wannabe
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If you want a low cost solution, setting up a NetBSD or FreeBSD box can more than do the job. Plus an x86 can give you more flexibility is most cirsumstances.
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09-26-2003, 08:03 AM #7Web Hosting Master
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Yes, i just want to show up on a hop.
I would prefer to get a router instead of using a box.
Could anyone recommend a cheap/good Layer 3 switch?
Cheap/Good dont normally go next to each other
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09-26-2003, 08:04 AM #8Web Hosting Master
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The datacentre would handle everything really, i just get thrown a connection.
I just wanted to show up on a hop.
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09-26-2003, 10:48 AM #9Junior Guru
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Originally posted by ThomasC
Yes, i just want to show up on a hop.
I would prefer to get a router instead of using a box.
Could anyone recommend a cheap/good Layer 3 switch?
Cheap/Good dont normally go next to each other
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Cisco Cat3550-24 EMI should be a good shot.
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09-26-2003, 11:00 AM #10Web Hosting Master
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Cisco Cat3550-24
Expensive hop
I had a quick look and got prices of over £1200.
Anyone know whats the going price for these or can recommend another.
Thank you haesu, I will keep a note of that.
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09-26-2003, 11:02 AM #11Junior Guru
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Originally posted by ThomasC
Expensive hop
Trust me, you are not going to find any cheap layer3 switches.
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09-26-2003, 12:11 PM #12Web Hosting Master
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Um..if he's looking for something cheap, we've gone of this, Cisco 2948G-L3. That's a SOLID layer3 switch, for around $2k. The best you can get dollar for dollar, ignore that 3550 nonsense. you don't need that, i don't understand why he'd suggest it.
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09-26-2003, 12:15 PM #13Junior Guru
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Originally posted by snickn
Um..if he's looking for something cheap, we've gone of this, Cisco 2948G-L3. That's a SOLID layer3 switch, for around $2k. The best you can get dollar for dollar, ignore that 3550 nonsense. you don't need that, i don't understand why he'd suggest it.
2948G-L3 = 2K like you said
3550 off ebay = around 2K
What gives?
It's not within his budget regardless.
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09-26-2003, 12:21 PM #14Web Hosting Master
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Each box will have a max of 100GB.
There would be a max of say 20 boxes.
And i doubt most of them would even use that.
Plus some of the boxes will have less. (30GB,70GB)
So not a great deal of traffic!
They will be connected via a 100mbit line.
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09-26-2003, 12:22 PM #15Web Hosting Master
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You could get a Dell switch or something....how many ports were you wanting?
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09-26-2003, 12:23 PM #16Junior Guru
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Not much traffic? like i said.. x86 box is cheap. It doesn't fail that easily as you think..
L3 switches are around 2k or more minimum. If you can afford that, then go ahead, that's good investment.
If not... well... like i said.. x86 boxes perform well for usual low/non-backbone traffic and they are cheap.
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09-26-2003, 12:28 PM #17Web Hosting Master
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24 ports perfered, I could live with 12.
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09-26-2003, 12:58 PM #18Web Hosting Master
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Hi..
Go with either a Cisco 1924 (24 port 10BaseT, probably pick it up for $200-300) or a 2924 xl (10/100, probably pick it up for $400)
The 2924 xl enterprise edition sounds ilke it'd do great for your needs. $400 isn't bad price either. Yes, it'll create a hop
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09-26-2003, 01:00 PM #19Junior Guru
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Originally posted by snickn
Hi..
Go with either a Cisco 1924 (24 port 10BaseT, probably pick it up for $200-300) or a 2924 xl (10/100, probably pick it up for $400)
The 2924 xl enterprise edition sounds ilke it'd do great for your needs. $400 isn't bad price either. Yes, it'll create a hop
1924 and 2924 are layer2 managed switches. They do not route.
Like I said, he won't find any L3 switches for less than around 2K.
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09-26-2003, 01:17 PM #20Web Hosting Master
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Argh, good point, I knew the 1924 was layer2, i was thinking the 2924 is layer3.
However..you are incorrect sir, he can definately pick up a good riverstoned.
Look for the rs-2000 on ebay, $500 or so, and it's layer3.
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09-26-2003, 01:19 PM #21Junior Guru
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Originally posted by snickn
Argh, good point, I knew the 1924 was layer2, i was thinking the 2924 is layer3.
However..you are incorrect sir, he can definately pick up a good riverstoned.
Look for the rs-2000 on ebay, $500 or so, and it's layer3.
EDIT: Riverstoned hahahahaha nice one!
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09-26-2003, 11:25 PM #22Web Hosting Guru
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Use a linux or bsd box
run a caching dns server on it for all your boxes to share
do some accounting, or traffic shaping
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09-27-2003, 03:43 PM #23Web Hosting Master
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Lucent (avaya) can be found fairly cheaply.
For example, a P550 is MUCH more capacity than you require. We've pushed 200Mbps through one before we started seeing it have a hard time with its ACL's. You can pick them up for $300 and up, depending on the modules installed. Check out ebay.
Also, we've had problems getting riverstone to light with a cisco 6509 upstream. I've heard of other riverstone/cisco problems too. But, otherwise they have a nice product with an impressive feature list. The only thing about riverstone is getting software support and updates if you buy a used backplane and management. Its almost worth buying the chassis new, and ebaying the modules.
but for a budget solution, a P550 is overkill at a steal price.
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09-28-2003, 06:16 AM #24Junior Guru
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Originally posted by rsanders
Lucent (avaya) can be found fairly cheaply.
For example, a P550 is MUCH more capacity than you require. We've pushed 200Mbps through one before we started seeing it have a hard time with its ACL's. You can pick them up for $300 and up, depending on the modules installed. Check out ebay.
Also, we've had problems getting riverstone to light with a cisco 6509 upstream. I've heard of other riverstone/cisco problems too. But, otherwise they have a nice product with an impressive feature list. The only thing about riverstone is getting software support and updates if you buy a used backplane and management. Its almost worth buying the chassis new, and ebaying the modules.
but for a budget solution, a P550 is overkill at a steal price.
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09-28-2003, 07:06 AM #25Web Hosting Master
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Its a routing switch, and what do you want for a few hundred bucks?