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04-13-2005, 06:12 PM #1Web Hosting Master
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Cannibalist Eats Computer Specialists (YahooNews)
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04-13-2005, 06:19 PM #2Web Developer
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Suicide is illegal, so why should this be legal?
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04-13-2005, 06:25 PM #3Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by DanX
Suicide is illegal, so why should this be legal?
but shouldnt you have the right to your life?
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04-13-2005, 06:41 PM #4Web Hosting Master
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This is thoroughly disgusting and it creeps me out, but if the victim wanted to be eaten and die as was stated by the defendant, I suppose it's not as bad. However, I surely wouldn't want to be the coroner.
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04-13-2005, 07:41 PM #5Web Hosting Master
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We always talk about people's "rights". As in recent threads, the right for businesses to refuse clients (which I am for), the right for gay marriage (which I am against), etc, etc. Just my views. Yet, the biggest view I have is that why is suicide illegal?? It's "their" life.
Dont get me wrong, I am totally against suicide. What few religious beliefs I have include that I believe suicide is the one unforgivable sin.... I could never do it myself because of that belief, but I dont think the government has a right to make that decision for people and deem it illegal.
It should be a person's right to die, live, or whatever.. The only ones that shouldnt have that right are those convicted of crimes and are currently serving time.
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04-13-2005, 07:53 PM #6Web Developer
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azizny, I was speaking more to rationalize than debate. This and suicide are pretty much the same.
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Originally posted by Webdude
It should be a person's right to die, live, or whatever.. The only ones that shouldnt have that right are those convicted of crimes and are currently serving time.
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04-13-2005, 08:30 PM #8Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by SniperDevil
Why shouldn't they have the choice between life and death? Isn't the idea of locking somebody up in jail or prison so they won't be in normal society and be able to do what they did again? To teach wrong from right, and help them to get better? Since when was it intended to "punish" and agonize people for their wrongs? If somebody murdered your son or wife, would you really want them punished? Wouldn't you feel bad that they were being punished too? It would be like an extra burden on your shoulder, if you really think about it. Recently I have been subjected to such a philosophy by someone whose tape I listen to (I think she has some great insight and can really make people feel a lot better about things in their lives that they don't understand or dislike), and it has really grown on me to the point that I actually subscribe to it. There is a certain burden that comes with punishing someone, oddly and somewhat ironically enough. For instance, when you punish your son, do you feel good about doing it? Does it make you, personally, feel good, seeing your son suffer like that? I don't think so, and I think it is the same for prisoners who have done wrongs in their lives. It is one thing to separate people from normal, functioning society for fear that they might do that thing again, or to help them get better, but it seems that nowadays the debate is whether one should be executed by the state; not even whether life imprisonment and similar punishment is too severe or cruel and unusual. We're past that, now it's about whether to kill someone or let them live. Pretty awful stuff to me.
As for my son, I dont feel bad for disciplining him. I feel bad that he's making me do it. I feel good about it that I am teaching him the right thing by showing him there are consequences to his actions. He gets more of what he wants if he does good, it gets taken away if he does bad.
As for exocution, I'm divided. One one hand, I believe it is merely an easy way out for someone who's harmed or killed a lot of people. On the other hand, I think prison has gotten soft and it's a waste of taxpayer money. They sit there and play video games and watch cable TV. They should be busting the equivelent of a football stadium full of boulders down into sand for each life they take. Not get free cable that is paid out of my taxes. I dont believe violent criminals should have "any" rights while in prison, which includes the right to death.
Everyone else "should" have that right...
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04-13-2005, 08:49 PM #9Web Hosting Master
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If someone is willing to agree to be killed and eaten, maybe society has a duty to try to protect that person from those who would take advantage of that willingness.
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04-13-2005, 09:32 PM #10Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by Webdude
If somebody murdered a relative of mine, I think they should spend time in prison. If someone murdered several people, I especially believe so. They shouldnt have the right to get off in such an easy manner as suicide. Kill a bunch of people, escape the law with suicide. Just shouldnt be that easy.
Originally posted by Webdude
As for my son, I dont feel bad for disciplining him. I feel bad that he's making me do it. I feel good about it that I am teaching him the right thing by showing him there are consequences to his actions. He gets more of what he wants if he does good, it gets taken away if he does bad.
People seem to be satisfied with prison because they feel a sense of revenge, that they are punishing this person for their wrongs, and now they have to suffer. However, it often backfires, as I have mentioned above. I believe we should isolate people from society not to punish, but to reverse, help, and mend "wounds", so to speak. People are people, regardless of whether they heinously slaughtered ten individuals, and we should treat them as such. We all have the same anatomy, and we all have the same features; some of us just are a little "unacceptable" to the rest of humanity.
Originally posted by Webdude
As for exocution, I'm divided. One one hand, I believe it is merely an easy way out for someone who's harmed or killed a lot of people. On the other hand, I think prison has gotten soft and it's a waste of taxpayer money. They sit there and play video games and watch cable TV. They should be busting the equivelent of a football stadium full of boulders down into sand for each life they take. Not get free cable that is paid out of my taxes. I dont believe violent criminals should have "any" rights while in prison, which includes the right to death.
Everyone else "should" have that right...
Why not do more to help fix the problems where they lie, rather than letting their containers rot and go unnoticed in an eight by five foot prison cell? Maybe then these people will have more of a chance, an opportunity, to return to normal society, and be a fully functioning, participating member of society, and a great human being, as well.
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Originally posted by DanX
Suicide is illegal, so why should this be legal?
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Originally posted by IvialisRyan
I've always wondered--what is the punishment for unsuccessfully trying to commit suicide? Is it ever carried out? And does it get worse for repeat offenders?
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04-13-2005, 10:21 PM #13Web Hosting Master
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can you send me a link?
also,I've always wondered--what is the punishment for unsuccessfully trying to commit suicide? Is it ever carried out? And does it get worse for repeat offenders?All life is an experiment. The more experiments you make the better.
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Originally posted by SniperDevil
For what should they spend time in prison? Murdering your relative, so as a way of "revenge"; punishment? Or for a different reason?
I can see how under certain scenarios of how the murder was done, someone could be rehabilitated, but certainly not other cases, and especially not with someone who has murdered 2+ people. For example, someone who ran over a kid because he was too busy with his cell phone or radio is one thing. Someone who for years rapes and kills women is another....plus everything in between.
Put simply, who in your life do you love the most? Wife? Mother? Sister? If she was raped, beaten, and killed, what would you have the law do to him? It seems to me you are sayin a few years in the pen, some head shrink visits, and then released.... correct me if I'm wrong.