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04-16-2012, 09:19 PM #26Web Hosting Evangelist
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04-16-2012, 09:20 PM #27WHT Addict
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Thanks for the word Gluster. I hadn't heard of this.
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04-16-2012, 09:44 PM #28Web Hosting Master
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04-16-2012, 10:12 PM #29
It would be great if you could specify 1 or 2 copies of data be stored on one tier (SSD for example), and store extra copies on another tier which is only used for disaster recovery purposes. If you had 2 copies on SSD, the chances of losing both at once is pretty small so long as the storage is smart enough to keep the data on separate servers, and then the cost to keep extra copies on hard disks is almost nothing in comparison to storing 4 copies on SSD.
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04-16-2012, 10:16 PM #31Web Hosting Master
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that is actually a very very good idea. You are able to specify tiers of storage, and you can guarantee IO's to specific clients/drives for QoS etc. You are also able to define the copies per virtual drive - but currently you are not able to mix it so the copies would be on lower tiers of drives. That makes perfect sense - I'll pass it on to the guys!
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04-16-2012, 10:19 PM #32Location = SoapBox
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not sure about a game changer, but, its certainly an indication of the trend moving forward, where storage will become more flexible and vendors will start to deliver these sorts of storage solutions as a service...
Im not sure what tech they used - it looks like a cool offering and very cool that more storage options are coming available.. expect more of this over time
Building your SAN is easy. Using a simple web-based UI you can select physical disks from any servers connected to the platform, and combine them into virtual data stores to create your SAN. Disks can be any size: they are simply grouped by performance, which enables you to create tiers of storage based on low performance/high capacity SATA drives, high-performance SSDs, or anything in between. A powerful CLI provides low-level access for sysadmins, too.
I dont think this type of solution is unique (heck, zfs has been around for ages) - but, the concept of packaging these solutions for service providers is pretty new and onapp is certainly - and continues to be - ahead of the curve with delivering solutions to the market specifically geared towards service providers...www.cartika.com
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04-16-2012, 11:02 PM #33Web Hosting Master
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04-16-2012, 11:13 PM #34Web Hosting Master
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04-16-2012, 11:15 PM #35Location = SoapBox
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04-17-2012, 12:00 AM #37Location = SoapBox
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yes, it runs on solaris, but, as iscsi attached volumes, it doesnt matter whether you are running linux or windows or whatever. its certainly not "low performance" - if you saw the metrics, you would be hard pressed to replicate it with anything.. we used netapp for years, and no matter what caching you used, you arent coming close..
Such a configuration is not entirely useful for the average service provider.www.cartika.com
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04-17-2012, 12:04 AM #38
I mean to say that because the storage needs to be on a solaris box, then for the typical service provider that you would need separate storage nodes from everything else since most of their hardware won't be running solaris, which wouldn't really work given what onapp storage is looking to accomplish here, which is to allow you to use disks attached to your existing servers.
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04-17-2012, 12:10 AM #39Location = SoapBox
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04-17-2012, 12:12 AM #40Web Hosting Master
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thats what I thought this was and got sooo excited !!!
freebsd has been doing some serious work with zfs, Im not surprised to hear this. we run it on solaris, but, I was quite curious about freebsd based on the investment they have made recently here
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04-17-2012, 12:25 AM #42Web Hosting Guru
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This is interesting to say the least. But we shall see soon!
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04-17-2012, 04:48 AM #43Web Hosting Evangelist
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ZFS is not a clustered file system. It doesn't scale to multiple nodes. (But it can be used as the base to build a clustered file system). This product seems much more like Red Hat's Gluster which provides a scale-out clustered storage solution across any number of commodity nodes.
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04-17-2012, 06:43 AM #44Web Hosting Master
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Trust me guys, building a storage solution was not on our minds when we first started OnApp over 2 years ago, we looked everywhere for a solution that would fit the demand of the clients we where getting onboard, we looked at it all, Gluster, ZFS, Sheepdog, Ceph, you named it, we checked it out.
Problem was, nothing really fit the bill 100%, everything was a compromise, unfinished or simply too expensive, so as the old saying goes "see a need ?, fill a need !" we decided to do something new, to fit the exact requirements of our industry, in the process we find ourselves building something that transcends it, and thats good
This was a major investment for us, but we felt unless this problem was cracked, the adoption of the cloud as a underline technology (instead of just a marketing term) would not be feasible for all.
I'm bias of course, but I think it's revolutionary stuff
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04-17-2012, 08:10 AM #45Marketing Maestro
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This was a major investment for us, but we felt unless this problem was cracked, the adoption of the cloud as a underline technology (instead of just a marketing term) would not be feasible for all.
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04-17-2012, 08:11 AM #46Web Hosting Master
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How does this OnApp storage solution compare to OpenStack Object Storage?
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04-17-2012, 08:22 AM #47Junior Guru Wannabe
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Does the disks need to be directly attached or can they behind a hardware raid controller?
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04-17-2012, 08:41 AM #48Web Hosting Master
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hmm - thinking really hard - Why would you put a raid controller in front of the drives presented to OnApp?
It's a different beast all together. OnApp storage will come with a fully compatible S3 Object Storage interface, just like the OpenStack - but our storage platform is a replacement for your SAN. It's a distributed block storage, utilizing all the drives across your infrastructure.
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