Can anyone recommend a Good UK Host, one where I can move my entire site to.

Any help will be appreciated.

Noel

How much do u want to spend? How much space do u need? What technologies do u need? How busy is your site?

Unless u need hands on access to the server, u would find a more cost effective solution hosted in the states (due to the sheer number of host's there).

Thanks for your reply. Have a look at the site yourself. People tell me it is impossibly slow. Yes I need to be able to change file and upload new pages from my PC.

The site is currently hosted by a Free Host (Value Web).

I don't mind paying but not too much.

Regards

Noel

Originally posted by triumph595:
How much do u want to spend? How much space do u need? What technologies do u need? How busy is your site?

Unless u need hands on access to the server, u would find a more cost effective solution hosted in the states (due to the sheer number of host's there).

By the way, the site is: www.spainproperty.net (http://www.spainproperty.net)

Noel

Originally posted by triumph595:
How much do u want to spend? How much space do u need? What technologies do u need? How busy is your site?

Unless u need hands on access to the server, u would find a more cost effective solution hosted in the states (due to the sheer number of host's there).

Hiyaz, Ive looked at your site and i think i could host the site for you. Check out http://www.fthosting.co.uk we are uk based and offer cheap prices.

Thanks for the reply.

I have had a look at your site and will come back to you when things are, as you put it, 100%.

Regards

Noel

Originally posted by fthosting:
Hiyaz, Ive looked at your site and i think i could host the site for you. Check out http://www.fthosting.co.uk we are uk based and offer cheap prices.

Hiya again i hope you get back to us when we are fully operational again. All we are waiting on now is for the mysql databases to be sorted out and we are up and running properly.



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Signing off for now Eddie

Had a look at the site (see what you mean about valueweb being slow!). Looks like just plain HTML pages at the moment, so you can literally take your pick. If that's the case, I've used Demon in the past (comes free with the dial up account, and they are pretty quick). If you want to expand, db on the back and stuff, then I'm not sure who to recommend in the UK, but I've used InterLand in the states before, and they were OK.

By the way, quick tip: take all the spaces out of your files and directories. e.g. "what clients say" should be "whatclientssay" in the actual directory, otherwise you are going to have some trouble with some browsers.

If you are still on the luck out for a decent uk based webhost check out http://www.webdesign.co.uk. They have a good of uk webhosts.

Originally posted by facilitator:
Thanks for your reply. Have a look at the site yourself. People tell me it is impossibly slow. Yes I need to be able to change file and upload new pages from my PC.

The site is currently hosted by a Free Host (Value Web).



Wow. That is pretty slow - though I think I would make the distinction that your "Value Web" (namesdirect.com) is not the same US-based Value Web, which is much better, speed-wise.

I don't know any UK-based hosts other than the ones mentioned already, sad to say....

Years back I used to use lochnet.co.uk, from what I can remember they we're quite good.

can you be in the US and still get hosted by a UK host ?

Yes, of course. Why not?

I'm in the UK and hosted by a US company.

Thank you very much for your help and advice.

Noel

Originally posted by triumph595:
Had a look at the site (see what you mean about valueweb being slow!). Looks like just plain HTML pages at the moment, so you can literally take your pick. If that's the case, I've used Demon in the past (comes free with the dial up account, and they are pretty quick). If you want to expand, db on the back and stuff, then I'm not sure who to recommend in the UK, but I've used InterLand in the states before, and they were OK.

By the way, quick tip: take all the spaces out of your files and directories. e.g. "what clients say" should be "whatclientssay" in the actual directory, otherwise you are going to have some trouble with some browsers.

Thanks for your advice. I do appreciate it.

regards

Noel

Originally posted by fthosting:
If you are still on the luck out for a decent uk based webhost check out http://www.webdesign.co.uk. They have a good of uk webhosts.

Thank you Annette and all you people who take the bother to reply.

Regards

Noel

Originally posted by Annette:
Wow. That is pretty slow - though I think I would make the distinction that your "Value Web" (namesdirect.com) is not the same US-based Value Web, which is much better, speed-wise.

I don't know any UK-based hosts other than the ones mentioned already, sad to say....

I will have a ;look for them. Thanks

Noel


Originally posted by Admin:
Years back I used to use lochnet.co.uk, from what I can remember they we're quite good.

Sorry, I did not say, I am in the UK.

Thanks

noel

Originally posted by Nukem:
can you be in the US and still get hosted by a UK host ?

Take a look at http://www.bigbytes.co.uk for a list of hosting packages and email response times (this is not my site.

The newsgroup alt.internet.providers.uk is the best place to ask this question.

Originally posted by Nukem:
can you be in the US and still get hosted by a UK host ?

Yes, but AVOID TRUE HOSTING AT ALL COSTS!

Here we go again.... Give truehosting topic a break everyone has got the drift about them now...
Also i found that site very useful bigbytes.co.uk but id like to know where they got them stats for webhost repsonses. I've mailed most of them hosts and the average time aint what it says on there. a few of them are right thebrickhouse.net answer fast so do webneticss the others ive found take there time.

Eddie -

True, people should restrict the whole TH topic to the TH thread. But someone looking for a UK host should be aware not only of TH's practices, but of the fact that while they are a UK company, their servers are in the States (at least until Alabanza gets rid of them).

Another thing to look out for (to the original poster) is awardhosting.com - looks exactly like TH, and is regged by TH as well. I'd tend to avoid anything associated with TH completely.

You might want to ask on alt.internet.providers.uk, as Mark suggested, for some reputable companies, as they would probably know better than someone here in the States....

Originally posted by Annette:
Eddie -

True, people should restrict the whole TH topic to the TH thread. But someone looking for a UK host should be aware not only of TH's practices, but of the fact that while they are a UK company, their servers are in the States (at least until Alabanza gets rid of them).

Another thing to look out for (to the original poster) is awardhosting.com - looks exactly like TH, and is regged by TH as well. I'd tend to avoid anything associated with TH completely.


Look scum. You have been told to go back to your hole in the ground. Nobody believes your fraudulent ramblings. Nobody is "getting rid" of us, face it that we are not going to be shut down. We have thousands of very happy customers, and no we do not have any problems.

Go back to your day job of robbing little old ladies.

Originally posted by Davey:
Look scum. You have been told to go back to your hole in the ground. Nobody believes your fraudulent ramblings. Nobody is "getting rid" of us, face it that we are not going to be shut down. We have thousands of very happy customers, and no we do not have any problems.

Go back to your day job of robbing little old ladies.

You are possibly the most unpleasant person I have had to deal with, ever. Put up your evidence or shut up, weaselboy. And I guess we'll see what happens on May 5, which is the dealine Alabanza has given you, won't we?

To the original poster, who was looking for a UK-host: this is exactly why True Hosting, or any derivative thereof, should not be on your list.

Do not go with fthosting! It is a one-man-band operation, that cannot afford to pay its debts.

They were a reseller, but ran up debts they could not pay. They are currently the subject of collection and court actions. Watch out - he could try and disappear at any time. I would not trust any money with this guy!

Originally posted by Davey:
Do not go with fthosting! It is a one-man-band operation, that cannot afford to pay its debts.

They were a reseller, but ran up debts they could not pay. They are currently the subject of collection and court actions. Watch out - he could try and disappear at any time. I would not trust any money with this guy!

Yeah right - pretty funny coming from a real one man operation. I'm sure Eddie is just like everyone else who is the subject of "court actions". Who's your "lawyer", weaselboy? What are the case numbers on all those legal proceedings? Shall we direct people to http://www.technogirl.net/99tales/suing_lies.htm so they can see the veracity of anything that you write/say/post regarding legal issues?

Sorry, folks, for running off the track previously.

I do have a question, though, about UK hosts. It seems that if you were to do a search on Yahoo or the like, the ratio of US to UK hosts is what seems to be 4 to 1. Is there really a large number of hosts in the UK from which to choose?

Originally posted by Davey:
Look scum. You have been told to go back to your hole in the ground. Nobody believes your fraudulent ramblings. Nobody is "getting rid" of us, face it that we are not going to be shut down. We have thousands of very happy customers, and no we do not have any problems.

Go back to your day job of robbing little old ladies.


Umm, in responce to your last line, how is "robbing little old ladies," as you put it, different than robbing everyone who is unfortuneate enough to sign up with your pathetic excuse for a "company."

Give it up, weaselboy, you've lost.

Look scum,

If Eddie cannot afford to pay his web hosting bills, since he is a reseller, how can people expect to get good service from him?? He is a one-man-band operation.

Everyone is well aware of your multiple aliases. How is "Stephanie", "Joey", or "Paul" these days? Shame nobody believes you.

Go and try and scam somebody else.

Huh and these people are who exactly i think joey is joey the saint am i right or wrong ? pual only paul i know he lives about 10 miles from me in a town called keighley. My ex girlfreidn of about 5 years ago was called stephanie but aint seen her since we boke up so who is this stephanie ?.

Ummm fee's owed yeap. He invoices me for a service someone else ordered and has even sent that person the same invoice as he has sent me Davey it's time you came down from teletubbie land and met the real world. You sound like a wrestler from the wwf.

Pick ya dummy up and stop spitting it out. mummy will get mad.


How is "Stephanie", "Joey", or "Paul" these days? Shame nobody believes you.

Originally posted by Davey:
(Another bunch of crap that I snipped)

Your act is getting old. Come up with something original, will you? Nobody uses any aliases but you, and the only thing you do by repeating these things ad nauseum is convince everyone of exactly what sort of jerkoff you are. Piss off until you have something substantive to say.

Back to the original, now. Did a quick search at Yahoo for web hosts in the UK, and came away with a pretty long list. Didn't bother to go down and see if they were all really in the UK, or if they are buying their space elsewhere. It would seem that if someone wanted a UK-based host that there are quite a few from which to choose.

Annette including resellers etc there are 500 to 600 uk based webhosts. Quite a lot of them have servers based in both the usa and england. but as british telecom are now opening up there network connections seem to be getting faster ask webfusion who spent £1 million on there new data center there providers include the likes of uunet.

Oh Weasel, Weasel....

What are we going to do about you?

Making defamatory comments against Annette and Eddie will do you no good. In fact, if I really wanted to, I could point your ISP (BT Internet) to this site, and ask them to disconnect you on basis of violating their TOS. Not only is it *not* the way to present yourself and operate as a professional web host, but you're just embarrassing yourself.

Oops, he never did run a professional web hosting outfit, did he peoples? ;-)

Look you ugly piece of scum,

True Hosting is not some one-man-band operation like eddie's little scam.

The only weasel here is YOU. Nobody believes you, so go sit in the road and do everyone a favour.

Originally posted by Davey:
Look you ugly piece of scum,

True Hosting is not some one-man-band operation like eddie's little scam.

The only weasel here is YOU. Nobody believes you, so go sit in the road and do everyone a favour.

Prove it. Eddie at least has the guts to post up the (real) names of everyone who works with him - and his own. How's "Bradley Goodman" doing? Remember him? How's that New Orleans office coming? How come every piece of email anyone gets from you always has the same header information? Why don't you try giving your (real) name here? It's very interesting that anyone who disagrees with you or hates your "service" is some sort of scammer.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch - does anyone know if there's actually quite a wide variety of actual UK-based hosts out there? It must be difficult for someone who wants a real UK-based host to track down a relatively decent one.

Annette,

I dunno... I tend to find UK hosts a bit slow from where I am (well, duh, I'm half way around the world!) so I tend to rely more on US hosts. Pings are slower and it takes me usually 2/3rds of the time to reach US hosts compared to UK hosts.

As much as I'd like to use my own country's hosts, bandwidth costs *HACK HACK COUGH COUGH* - not surprising that there are absolutely no unlimited bandwidth hosts around here ;-) (unlike a large portion of hosts)

Meanwhile, Davey, who was that directed to? Annette? Eddie? Saint? Me? Everyone you've dealt with in the past? One more and I WILL have no hesitation following it up with BT.

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Originally posted by BC:
Annette,

I dunno... I tend to find UK hosts a bit slow from where I am (well, duh, I'm half way around the world!) so I tend to rely more on US hosts. Pings are slower and it takes me usually 2/3rds of the time to reach US hosts compared to UK hosts.

As much as I'd like to use my own country's hosts, bandwidth costs *HACK HACK COUGH COUGH* - not surprising that there are absolutely no unlimited bandwidth hosts around here ;-) (unlike a large portion of hosts)


Yeah, but you're in Oz. What do you expect, since you're at the bottom of the world?? :)

Seriously, though, I'm curious about folks who are in the UK and what choices there are available to them there, and about folks like you. Surely there are hosts down under. Is the expense of local hosting prohibitive? Are there no good hosts? Are there just not enough? What's the scoop?

ROFTLMAO. sorry i was just wondering how long it would take before he went public saying im going to court. I've been subject to this fake court proceedings since March 3rd 2000. I basically told him bring it on. i've sat here daily everytime a police car drives past or someone knocks at my door expecting your under arrest. Well this aint happening.

Im a one man band yeap sure am i have a keyboard under one arm and violin under the other a drum kit at my feet and a harmonica in my mouth. I can play the tune *it's a long way to tiperray*. Well me and my staff are laughing at this. look here http://www.bitsmart.org one of my support guys called andrew prentice look at his deatils they all point to the usa man i must be a big guy to reach right over to america and log onto the internet :). Also http://www.robhost.com who are now going to be running my free hosting its run by a 16 year old from miami now im in three places. And theres heather she runs my graphics department shes in new york. who else lets think oh yeah adam Kramer from london. Tysha from Bristol and micheal moore from texas. I must do a lot of running around to be all these people. There is one person you could sy im impersonating thats malcolm my flat mate but i think hed be pretty offened by being called Eddie.

Fraudlant activity's thats grand coming from you. Im so a money grabber aint i i give out free hosting no catches they then have the option to upgrade to paid hosting i have around 30 paying customers who all like what they get. i have some annoyed free hosting ones who say this dont work that dont work but at least i try to fix the broken stuff.

Oh well gonna dash it's a bank holiday monday here im halve drunk maybe the reason for the sarcasm i dont know ill have a drink on you davey.

Crawl back under your rock, scum. Why don't YOU piss off? YOU are the only jerkoff.

Go get a life, loser.

"Davey" - give it up. Your day is coming.

Eddie - When you say that BT is opening up, what do you mean? Did they (do they) charge exhorbitant fees for the use of their network or something?

Annette well bt used to control the monopoly for the phone lines and network for the uk. but a law of somekind came into in 1997 which said they had to start distrubuting stuff for the sake of consumers. Bit like the microsoft thing thats going down now.

Originally posted by Annette:
"Davey" - give it up. Your day is coming.

Eddie - When you say that BT is opening up, what do you mean? Did they (do they) charge exhorbitant fees for the use of their network or something?

Can we make May 5th yet another holiday besides Mexican Independence Day?

How about Reseller's Independence Day?

May 5th is four days away.....

Tick...
Tock....
Tick....
Tock....

ROFLMAO @ rm -r :D

Annette, in response to your question, there are quite a few local hosts, but costs are quite prohibitive.... Telstra (our local communications carrier) forces us to pay bandwidth by the megabyte (and since it's a virtual oligopoly, it's bloody expensive)... Though it is starting to get better now that Global Crossing has entered the fray and are wiring up cables and OC3s everywhere. Costs are usually between $20US to $50US for simple 10-25 mbs sites. That's why I prefer to stick with US sites....

Btw, Eddie, when's the subdomains for FTHosting coming? :o) (and no smart-alect comments from Davey please, or... *click*)

Aren't Telstra the one people are calling a boycott on for open relays? Geez, you'd think that if they cut out the spammers they'd have plenty of (cheap) bandwidth for everybody else...

I guess living in the States gives you a sometimes biased slant (i.e., a lot of people seem to think that everything should be as inexpensive in other countries as it is here - including ISPs and web hosts). Still, it's good that things are opening up in various places - BT, Telstra, et al.

Yep, the exact one. Remember though, this is a nation-wide monopolistic corporation, so it's as if they'll give a rat's ass about shutting down open relays. They're too busy going for the $$ and trying to oppose competition.

Thank God GlobalC is in, otherwise I think we'd be paying waaaay out of our asses (as if we aren't already!!)

And of course, remember Telstra is the same corporation which rakes in over a billion dollars in profit each year - AFTER TAX.

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Originally posted by fthosting:
Annette - They pull in around 1.3 billion a year according to bbc news 24.



In profit? I blame my parents for not being super monopolistic barons so that I could inherit great riches....

Go **** yourself, Annette. What kind of a lame threat is that meant to be? You cannot touch me, and you know it.

"Davey" - It isn't a threat. Unlike you, I don't make idle threats against people. Everyone knows that you're getting kicked from Alabanza. What I'm wondering is if you will wind up treating them in the same manner that you treated Colossus, even when you have publicly lauded Alabanza on this very board.


BC - Is that a billion US or AUS? I suppose it doesn't really matter if they have the country by the short hairs, eh? :) Don't you folks have some sort of consumer protection from that sort of thing? What do they do to startups? Take them out to the Reef and feed them to the sharks or something?

Annette, yes, around a billion a year.

We only had an anti-competition commission recently formed a few years ago, but since then it's been working extremely hard to break down Telstra's monopoly on Net bandwidth ;-) (note bandwidth only, not ISP access... Though they do have another monopoly in local phone call..)

Startups? Telstra either :

1. Treat them with contempt and leave them to the sharks (a la Davey/TH style.. Sorry, couldn't resist :D)
2. Ignores them hoping they die (which hasn't happened yet)
3. Goes into alliances with them. The company I work for (formerly as sysadmin, now QA) is an e-commerce ally of Telstra..


[STANDARD DISCLAIMER : personal views only, not of company's. Enough said]

Is their alliance anything like Microsoft's? Ally with them and them buy them out at a later date? Some of the regional cable companies here in the States are the same way - little guy starts up, makes a deal with a larger company wrt traffic, then is bought out by the larger company sometime thereafter.

I wonder how much BT pulls in per annum...

Annette - They pull in around 1.3 billion a year according to bbc news 24.

BC - I dont even know if your hosted with me but subdomains are in beta right now i bought the software for a whooping £250 for just a simple setup. If i knew it was such simple software id of wrote it myself also waiting on my provider to give full go ahead.

Yeap in profit. Mind you takings must be down this year there using et for advertising

Originally posted by Annette:
In profit? I blame my parents for not being super monopolistic barons so that I could inherit great riches....

Originally posted by Annette:
Is their alliance anything like Microsoft's? Ally with them and them buy them out at a later date? Some of the regional cable companies here in the States are the same way - little guy starts up, makes a deal with a larger company wrt traffic, then is bought out by the larger company sometime thereafter.

I wonder how much BT pulls in per annum...

Annette, not really because Telstra only allies with other companies, not merge with them (thank God). The ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) now takes great delight in preventing Telstra from doing anything like that.

Eddie, I'm not hosted with you, but I tried to get a free account a few months ago ;-) (Don't worry about it) I'm just interested because I'd like to eventually use one of your free accounts for some of my site design testing :o)

Originally posted by Annette:
In profit? I blame my parents for not being super monopolistic barons so that I could inherit great riches....



Yes, I have that same problem. *sigh* I wish my parents had more foresite, and had monopolistic powers.

BTW.. do you know if Weaselboy has informed his customers they're going down in two days?

Digit,

According to the latest reports, no.

(says volumes about his attitude to people)

Check with Annette to confirm that ;-)

Tsk tsk.

Davey, Davey, Davey. My life just hasn't been complete without you.

How's my little Information Age robber-baron wanna-be?

Tell me this:

Are you going to even tell your customers that you're getting dumped?

Or are they going to get an email from you on Friday night telling them to back up their sites and re-upload to new IP's?

That's what you did when you got booted from Colossus.

I bet you're just going to let 'em hang.

And I bet you'll keep billing them, anyway.

On that: you never answered my post about billing but never collecting.

Are you calling that an "asset" and leveraging against it, or are you inflating your books in preparation for selling your business?

Or maybe you're just a craven little boy without the spine to back up his demands. That's my bet.

Answer me, you coward. And make it good. The clock is ticking.

-- Joey the Saint

TOOOOOO MOROOWW!
TOMORROW!
I LOVE YA!
TOMORROW!
YOU'RE ONLY A DDDAAAAAAYYYYYYY
AAAAAAAAA_WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY!!!
*applause*

Thank you, thank you.
Happy Cinco De Mayo, all!

Originally posted by rm -r /weaselboy:
TOOOOOO MOROOWW!
TOMORROW!
I LOVE YA!
TOMORROW!
YOU'RE ONLY A DDDAAAAAAYYYYYYY
AAAAAAAAA_WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY!!!
*applause*

Thank you, thank you.
Happy Cinco De Mayo, all!

Turns out that is incorrect. It's 3 days instead of one :-(

Since you mentioned it: the timeframe lies somewhere between 5/5 and 5/7. We'll see how it washes out....

I'm certainly not holding my breath :)

I'd rather wait till next week and see what happens...

Meanwhile, notice how Davey's suddenly gone all quiet?

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