I was simply wondering...what are the advantages of having a unique IP? I know a host that hosts site without a unique IP, but you can still access your site without the www in front.

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There are a few advantages to having a unique IP address, though some people won't have need of one.

Based on my limited experiences, I can tell you some of them. Certain scripts, like some redirect scripts, form mail scripts, and others, can be easier to implement with a dedicated IP address. I've read of others that require one.

A big advantage is when moving to another server, something I've done a couple of times (and will do once more soon). It can take up to two weeks for a change from one server to another to be fully propagated throughout the DNS servers. With a dedicated IP, you can redirect people to the new site and also give them the IP address beforehand so they can access it directly.

There may be other advantages, and these are the only ones I can think of at the moment. It may not be important for you, depending on what programs you use and some other considerations. None of the 20 or so domains I host have their own IP and it doesn't matter to them. It might not to you either.

It has nothing to do with accessing a domain with or without the www.

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The more unique ips web hosts use, the less there are for internet users.

Waaah. There are plenty of IP's - trust me. If a host can afford the IP's from arin, then they can provide a better service than a host that can not offer a dedicated IP.

You're quite right when you say there are a lot of ip's. But if hosts would switch to non-ip virtual hosts, then the time between the global switch from IPv4 to IPv6, can be extended by a large amount.

IPv6 is mainly to address all the hardware connecting to the net (fidges, microwaves, TV's, etc. etc.), not websites (although they will use the new standard). The main problem at the moment is that we are running towards the limit as to the number of users who can connect to the web, not the number of sites it can host. It also implements a better security structure not found in IPv4.

John,

With all due respect, your statement has nothing to do with the question at hand. It can be frustrating for some people when they ask a question and the responses go off on a tangent and don's answer their question.

Thanks Duster!

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You're welcome. Giving additional information is fine, but one shouldn't lose sight answering the question. Without doing that, anything else is useless.

Can I ask a question - what are the disadvantages of not having your own IP address?

I cannot think of any disadvantages to having a dedicated IP address.

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Starfox,

We give unique IPs to all our clients, and a lot of site owners find it very useful to upload and test their site before their domain is transferred to our servers. I think the old reason of older browsers not supporting HTTP1.1 is virtually obsolete these days, so it makes sense from the webmaster's point of view more than anything else.

If you go with a host that does not give you your own IP address then you are probably (PROBABLY) going with a low-end provider who does not spend money on good servers or support either. Not giving out an IP to each domain seems to be just a way of cutting corners. You wouldn't find any serious business site without it's own IP.

IPv6 is going to happen eventually, and probably the sooner the better.

Davey

What clients are you talking about? If you remember, a few months ago you said you have over 1400 clients...which i dont think is true at all. I even put in a serious bid to take over your clients from you, yet you failed to email me with any proof of these clients. I cant see lying to yourself can help you. Yet again, I see 280 other posts that say the same thing. God i wish you were in the USA

Dont worry, it will all get throwing back into your face 10x

:)

Gary


Originally posted by Davey:
Starfox,

We give unique IPs to all our clients, and a lot of site owners find it very useful to upload and test their site before their domain is transferred to our servers. I think the old reason of older browsers not supporting HTTP1.1 is virtually obsolete these days, so it makes sense from the webmaster's point of view more than anything else.

If you go with a host that does not give you your own IP address then you are probably (PROBABLY) going with a low-end provider who does not spend money on good servers or support either. Not giving out an IP to each domain seems to be just a way of cutting corners. You wouldn't find any serious business site without it's own IP.

IPv6 is going to happen eventually, and probably the sooner the better.

Originally posted by Davey:
[B]Starfox,

We give unique IPs to all our clients, and a lot of site owners find it very useful to upload and test their site before their domain is transferred to our servers. I think the old reason of older browsers not supporting HTTP1.1 is virtually obsolete these days, so it makes sense from the webmaster's point of view more than anything else.

If you go with a host that does not give you your own IP address then you are probably (PROBABLY) going with a low-end provider who does not spend money on good servers or support either. Not giving out an IP to each domain seems to be just a way of cutting corners. You wouldn't find any serious business site without it's own IP.
B]

That's crap and you know it. There are tons of good hosts out there who don't give unique IPs to their clients - your-site.com, for example, is one of them. Good reviews, good equipment, good support (unlike yours, I might add). You haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about, which is not unusual.

I park the .net equivalents to my .com domains, that is not possible without a dedicated IP.


I recently made a web site for a client that parked 5 domains, and put all of them in the search engines, that isn't possible without an IP.


Also, if someone using that IP spams and gets blocked from forums, chat rooms and search engine submits, then everyone on that IP is screwed and blocked also.


I think some of the people here like Annette are wrong, you want a dedicated IP.


Annette, show me one single big, successful business that doesn't have their own IP, out of the 1000's, surely you can post 1?

Originally posted by Mark Hewitt:
Can I ask a question - what are the disadvantages of not having your own IP address?

Originally posted by Greg:
I park the .net equivalents to my .com domains, that is not possible without a dedicated IP.


Sorry, Greg, you've missed the point. I happen to like having a dedicated IP for domains I register. However, I can also see that for some people, individuals and very small businesses particularly, having a unique IP is not as important as it is to the rest of us. And it is entirely possible to park domains without having an IP for them - it's done all the time - what do you think those people registering hundreds of domains just so they can auction them off are doing? Shared IP sites can also make it into search engines (though it might not be easy for people). My comment was not about "big, successful businesses" who don't have a dedicated IP. My comment was directed at yet another silly generalization by "Davey" - namely about the worthiness of hosts who may not offer dedicated IPs.

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Look scum,

I said very clearly that if the host does not give you a dedicated IP address they are PROBABLY a low-end provider. This is not a generalization, I was talking about a lot of hosts, NOT all of them.

We provide an IP address for every single domain we host, as we do not cut corners. We provide the best support in the industry and this is why we have grown to over 2000 clients in under a year of doing business. I know exactly what I am talking about. I know more about web hosting than you ever will. You on the other hand are a clueless fraudster. Go find someone else to try and scam.

PepsiCoke - We are not interested in selling our customer base. We have well over 2000 customers, thanks. Why would we want to sell these? We have built up a highly successful business, we are not about to give it to someone else.

Originally posted by Davey:
Look scum,

I said very clearly that if the host does not give you a dedicated IP address they are PROBABLY a low-end provider. This is not a generalization, I was talking about a lot of hosts, NOT all of them.

We provide an IP address for every single domain we host, as we do not cut corners. We provide the best support in the industry and this is why we have grown to over 2000 clients in under a year of doing business. I know exactly what I am talking about. I know more about web hosting than you ever will. You on the other hand are a clueless fraudster. Go find someone else to try and scam.

PepsiCoke - We are not interested in selling our customer base. We have well over 2000 customers, thanks. Why would we want to sell these? We have built up a highly successful business, we are not about to give it to someone else.

Look, weaselboy -

What part of your own post "they are PROBABLY a low-end provider" do you not understand. You yourself said that you were talking about a "LOT of hosts". That is an idiotic generalization. Your problem with evidence (or lack thereof) shows itself again. Your support is quite evident to the many people who have tried to get any. Of course, that's all wrapped up for handy reference in another thread, on Usetnet, and on various sites on the 'net. No problems finding evidence regarding that. BTW - a bit of research indicates nowhere near 2000 domains hosted by you. But keep spinning those self-delusional lies. And keep demonstrating that you are as technically illiterate as always. It goes a long way in keeping people off your "service".

Davey,
I'm curious -- I have four sites hosted with Futurequest, none have an IP address, all were able to be setup before the domain names propagated and all have very good search engine positioning. What am I missing out on here by not having a unique IP for each site.

Scumgirl,

I was NOT making a generalization. I was saying that MOST hosts who do not give you a unique IP address are cutting corners. What possible other reason is there for it? Trying to preserve IP addresses? Don't make me laugh. There are PLENTY of IP addresses, as someone else commented. Do you think that when we are moving towards the average household appliance has its own IP address that we should be concerned that a web site has one??

We give the best quality service to our customers, we do not cut corners. THAT is why we are so popular.

Starfox - it is indeed a shame that the low-life scum had to barge in and start attacking me for no reason like she always does. But that is what a fraudster like her does. That is why she is under investigation for criminal activities, for fraud. Don't worry, she will be behind bars soon enough.

Ip's i think have there good point of more stabilty but i also think non dedicated ip providers are good. I the short time i've been using the internet 2 years topz i've used hosts that dont give out static ip's i've used www.fut.net (http://www.fut.net) why i used to own sysworld.co.uk a small chatsite they dont give staic ips i found the host very good. i've used tdhosting which gives staic ips and i've found there service to be slow and always down it maybe just the provider though. I've used portland communications a free host and still do use them for one of my domains no staic ip bit slow at times but pretty good. So all in all i prefer hosts without staic ip's just my 2 pence.

"Davey" - Piss off until you have something intelligent to say.

Starfox - The point is this: just because a host does not give out a dedicated IP to each account does not mean that they are "cutting corners" (and this is the reason that "Davey" is getting slagged - has nothing to do with anything other than it's an idiotic thing to say). Some people are not concerned about dedicated IPs, and wouldn't know what one is anyhow. All they want to know is that their site works, and can be viewed. Many hosts use shared IPs, with great success, and without complaint. I mentioned your-site.com as one of these hosts. Various people (not me) in alt.www.webmaster have been testing your-site over the past month, and have been quite pleased. Additionally, many hosts (such as your-site) will assign a unique IP for additional, generally low, cost.

For others, myself included, a unique IP is important for various reasons. One very real advantage to having a unique IP is being able to get to the site/FTP space even when domain.com cannot be resolved by name, but when there is nothing wrong with the server itself. Some search engines will not spider sites that don't have a unique IP. There's also one primary disadvantage: if you (or someone else) types the incorrect IP into a table, your site may well be directed to someone else's. This is a very minor thing to correct, but it can be odd for people who suddenly find their business site redirected to somebody's CD collection.

Davey, i never exactly approved of attitude. Calling everyone scum isn't the way to go, even if they have pushed it anyway. You've said that 'she's been under criminal investigation and will be put in jail' a thousand times already (do you have a hot key for that line or something?), and yet you keep on calling her scum. You realize that SHE can sue because of that one word you wrote about her in public 1000 times? Just think about that next time you call her scum...

Look scum,

I was talking about MOST providers, you idiot. Read what I actually wrote. Why don't you get some glasses with the money you have stolen from people?

Go back to the sewer where **** belongs.

Hmm, when will that idiot at True Hosting ever learn?

His abuse and general bad service to his customers is now legendary. The strange part about it is that the servers he uses at Alabanza are just fine, if he actually was polite to his customers and everyone else he talked to and didn't all them 'scum' or tell them to 'f*ck off' he wouldn't have a problem and nobody would be complaining.

But then maybe its because he's an idiot, he doesn't understand this simple concept.

Originally posted by Davey:
Look scum,

I was talking about MOST providers, you idiot. Read what I actually wrote. Why don't you get some glasses with the money you have stolen from people?

Go back to the sewer where **** belongs.

OK, so your reading comprehension is exactly what I (and probably everyone else) thought it was.

You say: "I was talking about MOST providers." Can you honestly not see that you are making a senseless generalization? It literally makes NO sense to claim that most hosts who do not offer a unique IP are some sort of bottom feeder service. You cannot possibly support that statement. It's like any generalization saying "all (insert race here) are x". You don't have any idea what you're talking about.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with not offering a unique IP address, and it has NOTHING to do with the worthiness of the host. The only problem with it is that people like you use it as some sort of scare tactic to convince people to choose another host, preferably yours, because you must be ever so much better than them. Based on your interactions with people here, how in the world would you expect them to get that impression? You look foolish both when you reveal that you really just don't understand what you're talking about, AND when you immediately begin insulting people when they question you about it.

I AM FED UP!

Does the Truehosting debate have to end up into all threads? Keep it in its appropriate place, moderators...please do something about it!

TO ALL TRUEHOSTING HATERS - either stuff it or file a complaint...stop wasting time on threads taking apart everything Davey has to say. Everything someone says can easily be ripped apart...hell i bet you can rip what i wrote apart since you guys seem to be experts at it. I do have one thing to say, truehosting's support IS good. I emailed them at least 3 times every week, most of the times asking stupid questions, and i got a prompt, polite reply by the next day maximum. I never actually signed up with them, i found a better deal at pcisd.com, but truehosting aren't what you make them to be...

but please...place your crap elsewhere...last time i check IP does not stand for true hosting

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Annette - You are low-life scum, why don't you go try and steal some sweets from little kids or something else slimey?

Starfox - She cannot sue. I can call someone scum if I want, and that is exactly what she is. What else do you call a fraudster like her? She is too stupid, low, and ignorant to be called much else.

Starfox,

There have been a lot of false statements about not having a dedicated IP.

1. There are some advantages to it as I, and others, have pointed out.

2. There are no disadvantages to not having one. The statement about an IP being blocked because of spamming is incorrect because it is not complete. A range of IP addresses can be RBLed if spam originated from one of them. it doesn't even ahve to be the exact one.

I know, I had it happen to me. I had my IP unblocked after alerting MAPS that it was a neighboring domain/IP that was the guilty culprit and that my IPP was not a spam haven.

Basically, Annette is correct. Many small businesses do not need one, don't know, and don't care if they have one. It has nothing to do with the major search engines nor the listing order. The domains I host for customers share an IP and many show up in the top 5 listings (sometimes #1 or 2) in some of the major engines.

Not giving very domain a dedicated IP does not indicate a low end provider, nor does it mean cutting corners. I've been with two fairly large companies who do not assign IP addresses to each domain, but let several share one.

While large businesses undoubtedly would have their own IP, it matters not a whit to many small and even medium sized businesses.

(I agree wholeheartedly about the TH thing. Enough already from both sides!)

Duster, you got RBLed? Unfortunate. How long did it take for MAPS to understand? I've heard that they're pretty good about investigating and resolving misfires.

Re: shared IPs and search engines. I can't remember who it was, but one of the big guys' info pages said they would not spider shared IP sites. If they've gotten their head around that, that's good news. For most people, it doesn't really matter, of course, because so many personal sites are "here's my CD collection" and "here's a picture of my cat/dog/family/car".

I have to agree with StarfoxZL about please take this TH debate somewhere else. It seems to be all that is talked about on this forum and its getting to where the information given here is getting lost due to this argument.

I personally have been very interested in the IP issue. I have a customer complain about not being able to get into Alta-Vista. My research has indicated that this may be a problem

I did get RBLed, but only because one of the other domains (with an IP address with my host) spammed, so a range of IP addresses was blocked. My domain/IP address was caught in that range. All it took was one e-mail message to MAPS explaining the circumstances.

There are a lot of new search engines, and I don't recall reading the shared IP limitation with the ones I submitted to. They are over rated anyway. Web Snapshot has some interesting statistics, which include finding methods. Though search engines have risen from the 2.4% they were a few months ago, prbably becasue of all the new ones and the television advertising, they still acoount for less than 10% of the way sites are found. Links from other sites account for over 50%.

Check out http://websnapshot.mycomputer.com/ for some interesting stats.

One email - not too bad to resolve it.

I can't for the life of me remember the company with the shared IP note, but, as you've said, it's not a life or death sort of thing, since most engines will either spider you or allow entries. Thanks for the link - I'll check it out.

You're welcome. I came across that site a few months ago (sometime last year, actually, and it confirmed what I suspected about search engines and a few other things).

I checked Alta Vista. One of the sites I created and host, that has a shared IP, comes up number 3 and again at number 9.
Still another domain I host, sharing the same IP, comes up as number 8 and 9 with Alta Vista.

The search engines and directories I've submitted to in the past are Yahoo, Alta Vista, Excite, HotBot, Infoseek, Lycos, Magellan, Webcrawler. I've had pretty good results with most. I had read the submission guidelines completely, even printing them, and had never seen an IP limitation.

I know there's a slew of new ones, and perhaps one of them has this restriction. Since the remainder have but a tiny fraction of the search engine market, it's certainly not a big deal.

That's reassuring (that the larger search engines don't care about shared IP sites).

I've suspected for quite awhile now that search engines are not the greatest for referrals, since they tend to bring back too many duds (unrelated to your search) with the good links - and you have to hunt for those good ones through endless lists. People tend to be too impatient to look through all of them to find what they need. Besides, if you wanted to find something, what better way to do it than to ask friends/family where they go when they need x?