NOCSTER MANAGED SERVER RESALE PROGRAM


BurstNET™ encourages the resale of our managed dedicated server product line.
We offer resellers the ability to purchase NOCSTER managed servers at a discount.
These servers may then be resold to the public, at a price deemed fit by the reseller.
Resellers may market the servers to the public with the NOCSTER brand name,
or private label the product and sell to the public as their own brand.
The NOCSTER Managed Server Resale Program gives you the perfect opportunity to grow
in the Web Hosting business - without risk, and without the huge outlay of capital.

The discount is applicable to setup and monthy fees.
Regular, 10MBPS, Closeout, High-End, & Sale servers are all eligible for the discount!
The discount does not apply to software licensing or abnormal tech support billing rates.
You can also receive a discount on reseller packages, co-location, and virtual hosting!


Details: http://www.nocster.net/resale.shtml

BurstNET owns/operates our own facility in Scranton PA USA.
We are not a reseller of another NOC, nor colocated elsewhere.

You can reach me directly via email at sean@burst.net, should you be interested in this offer, or have any further questions...


Warm Regards,
Sean R.
BurstNET
System Administration

If my customers want WHM, how much would it cost me?

19.95 I believe, not sure :D

Yes... it would cost you $19.95 a month ;)

Cheers
Darren

But as a reseller, I couldn't use this offer for myself, could I ?

Steve

No You can not ;)

Who would handle customer technical support issues? Would this be the reseller or Nocster?

How would the support part work though?

Burstnet will manage the servers and support, but how is support handled?

My clients would call/e-mail nocster directly for support? Or is there private label support ?

How would I prevent my clients from signing up with nocster directly?

I am sure with the discounts you can consider selling cheaper than nocster themselves =) I seen someone did that on this forum recently.

How much % does reseller get straight away?

Everything is explained here:
NOCSTER MANAGED SERVER RESALE PROGRAM

BurstNET™ encourages the resale of our managed dedicated server product line.
We offer resellers the ability to purchase NOCSTER managed servers at a discount.

These servers may then be resold to the public, at a price deemed fit by the reseller.
Resellers may market the servers to the public with the NOCSTER brand name,
or private label the product and sell to the public as their own brand.
The NOCSTER Managed Server Resale Program gives you the perfect opportunity to grow
in the Web Hosting business - without risk, and without the huge outlay of capital.
BurstNET™ offers a flat 25% discount on all resold managed servers.
The 25% discount is applicable to setup and monthy fees.
Regular, 10MBPS, Closeout, High-End, & Sale servers are all eligible for the discount!
The discount does not apply to software licensing or abnormal tech support billing rates.
You can also receive a discount on reseller packages, co-location, and virtual hosting!

Simplified Ordering - Just enter reseller code on regular NOCSTER order forms.
Support Options - BurstNET™ will handle support for your clients, or handle your own.

Relax and allow BurstNET™ to maintain your servers,
while you can focus on your real talent - marketing and sales.
The managed server industry is growing at a record pace.
Don't miss out on your chance to take advantage of this market.
BurstNET™ provides all the expensive equipment. You make the profit!

IMPORTANT: The resold managed server discount is for reseller sale to end-users
& other resellers, NOT for reseller usage themselves.
Direct reseller or end-user usage is billed at retail, non-reseller pricing.

Reseller status is based upon approval by our Sales Management team.
This status may be revoked at any time, however, previous sales will remain discounted.
There is no setup fee to join the NOCSTER Managed Server Resale Program.

Be prepared to know a lot about the Nocster service (it's great if you already have a server there), or be prepared to ask lots and lots of questions to sales...

Sean - I was hoping you wouldn't post this here... I'm gonna have a hard time getting business during the next sale :bawling: , even though I'm offering pretty low prices. :D

- Matt

Customer Support has to be handled by you. Nocster would manage your server & support you .

I think they offer 25 % off on their current pricing to their resellers. However you can not buy a server for yourself.

Originally posted by inquisitive
Customer Support has to be handled by you. Nocster would manage your server & support you .


That's the part that is not clear to me.

It says :

Support Options - BurstNET™ will handle support for your clients, or handle your own.

Doesn't that mean they will handle support for our clients as well?

Originally posted by barleduc


That's the part that is not clear to me.

It says
Doesn't that mean they will handle support for our clients as well?

I doubt they would & could do that at this price...:rolleyes: You can contact nocster Sales on AIM for further clarification

They will provide support directly to your clients, that's the entire management thing, or you can provide it, you have a choice. I'd recommend having Nocster manage it.

I was about to sign up for BurstNET's server reseller program, but then I saw that they broadcast their company name for their IP block. You don't have a choice to sell the servers for more than BurstNET does because their customers will see when they look up their IP with ARIN or Netcraft or anyone else that their server is clearly hosted by "BurstNET Technologies". If they change their IP block to something anonymous, I would sign up in a heartbeat. Very little margin in trying to just resell them at a lower price than NOCster sells them at when the discount is only 25%, so they really aren't an option without an anonymous IP block. Personalized nameservers just don't do any good without it.

I am in same with The Newbie. Would be nice if they were anonymous.

ye me too, I know of a host who sells reseller stuff knowing they can be traced back.. shame hay...

???

Our ARIN IP blocks ARE anonymous...


root@inter [~]# whois 64.191.0.2 -h whois.arin.net
[whois.arin.net]

OrgName: Network Operations Center Inc.
OrgID: NOC

NetRange: 64.191.0.0 - 64.191.127.255
CIDR: 64.191.0.0/17
NetName: HOSTNOC-3BLK
NetHandle: NET-64-191-0-0-1
Parent: NET-64-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.HOSTNOC.NET
NameServer: NS2.HOSTNOC.NET
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 2002-05-31
Updated: 2002-05-31

TechHandle: ZMA1-ARIN
TechName: Arcus
TechPhone: +1-570-784-2491
TechEmail: shawn@hostnoc.net

# ARIN Whois database, last updated 2002-12-22 20:00
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's Whois database.

and the support is bad. Staff (Benji) takes days to get back to customers.. imagine the support if sales is like that.. LOL:(

yuky

Originally posted by The Newbie
I was about to sign up for BurstNET's server reseller program, but then I saw that they broadcast their company name for their IP block. You don't have a choice to sell the servers for more than BurstNET does because their customers will see when they look up their IP with ARIN or Netcraft or anyone else that their server is clearly hosted by "BurstNET Technologies". If they change their IP block to something anonymous, I would sign up in a heartbeat. Very little margin in trying to just resell them at a lower price than NOCster sells them at when the discount is only 25%, so they really aren't an option without an anonymous IP block. Personalized nameservers just don't do any good without it.

Dude, people are going to find out if you're re-selling servers *very* easily. No matter who the IP Block is registered to, I (and I'm sure many others) can easily tell where a server is located by doing a simple tracert, and if the server has a trace similar to a Burst/Nocster chance then I can assume you're either a reseller or you atleast utilize Burst/Nocster. Another thing is that if you offer the exact same server specs. as Nocster then once again; it's pretty obvious that you're a reseller.

So basically what I'm trying to get across is that no matter how hard the provider tries help re-sellers stay annon., there isn't a 100% fool-proof method of anonymity.

Originally posted by ausink
and the support is bad. Staff (Benji) takes days to get back to customers.. imagine the support if sales is like that.. LOL:(

yuky Why would you contact one support rep, when they have several? I've never known support@ to take days to respond. I've been nothing but impressed with the level of support and attention to care I've received with our Nocster servers.

Benji has been quick to respond to me... yes, the blocks that the customers are on are anonymous:

OrgName: Network Operations Center Inc.
OrgID: NOC

NetRange: 64.191.0.0 - 64.191.127.255
CIDR: 64.191.0.0/17
NetName: HOSTNOC-3BLK
NetHandle: NET-64-191-0-0-1
Parent: NET-64-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.HOSTNOC.NET
NameServer: NS2.HOSTNOC.NET
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 2002-05-31
Updated: 2002-05-31

TechHandle: ZMA1-ARIN
TechName: Arcus
TechPhone: +1-570-784-2491
TechEmail: shawn@hostnoc.net

but it's interesting when you search on google for the phone number what it shows:
Zeisloft Glen A Garage 137 Cross Rd Bloomsburg PA 17815 570-784-2491. Anyway, anybody can see the name Arcus and do a search for that, and find out that it's burst.

- Matt

If you look up HostNOC.net on NetCraft, you get this. It *used* to be anonymous, but is no longer.

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?mode_u=off&mode_w=on&site=hostnoc.net

4-Dec-2002 66.96.192.225 BurstNET Technologies Inc.
4-Jul-2002 66.96.192.225 BurstNET Technologies Inc.
3-Jul-2002 66.96.192.225 BurstNET Technologies Inc.
20-Mar-2002 66.96.192.225 BurstNET Technologies Inc.
16-Mar-2002 66.96.192.225 BurstNET Technologies Inc.
3-Mar-2002 66.96.192.225 BurstNET Technologies Inc.
15-Feb-2002 66.96.192.225 BurstNET Technologies Inc.
23-Jan-2002 66.96.192.225 BurstNET Technologies Inc.
16-Nov-2001 66.96.192.225 BurstNET Technologies Inc.
20-Aug-2001 66.96.192.225 Network Operations Center Inc

Originally posted by 311


Dude, people are going to find out if you're re-selling servers *very* easily. No matter who the IP Block is registered to, I (and I'm sure many others) can easily tell where a server is located by doing a simple tracert, and if the server has a trace similar to a Burst/Nocster chance then I can assume you're either a reseller or you atleast utilize Burst/Nocster. Another thing is that if you offer the exact same server specs. as Nocster then once again; it's pretty obvious that you're a reseller.

So basically what I'm trying to get across is that no matter how hard the provider tries help re-sellers stay annon., there isn't a 100% fool-proof method of anonymity.


311, I wouldn't be selling in the same circles as NOCster does. Most of the people I would be selling to will not know the traceroute to NOCster by heart. But all of them would be able to see "BurstNET Technologies" by using "What's that site running?" at NetCraft without it being necessary to have heard of them previously. I surely don't mind the similar traceroute as long as the connecting routers to their backbones don't say "Burstnet-customer.gw.glbx.net" or something like that.

This looks great, but unfortunately, I was looking for both reselling, and buying on resell, but since that isnt possible.. whee..

9 BurstNet.demarc.cogentco.com (66.250.5.70) 31.492 ms 31.313 ms 31.250 ms
10 pos-6-1-border.scr1.hostnoc.net (66.197.191.17) 40.673 ms 39.522 ms 40.751 ms
11 64.191.18.6 (64.191.18.6) 39.485 ms 39.326 ms 39.126 ms

Thanks for pointing that out, Clocker. BurstNET/NOCster doesn't seem very prepared to offer reselling of their services at this time. I think most serious resellers expect anonymousness that NOCster is unable or unwilling to provide.

Cogent is being removed this week.
That is the only one of our traceroutes that has that in there like that, because Cogent is unwilling to assist with removing it.
The rest of our backbones all state hostnoc-xxxxxxxxxx NOT burstnet-xxxxxxxxx...


As far as BurstNET not being ready to offer reselling? You have got to be kidding right? BurstNET has one of the oldest reseller programs remaining in the industry today. Our firm was offering reseller accounts back before most of you were surfing the net even! Our company was founded and grown off of our reseller program, many many years ago..and we were one of the first to offer anonymous traceroutes/domain/ip blocks.


Sean R.
BustNET
System Administration

Can you waive the set-up fee for a regular ?

Sean,

I'm pretty sure I wasn't kidding about you not being ready to offer anonymous reselling yet. You didn't make any effort at all to explain why HostNOC.net is not anonymous at all and anyone who knows how to look up IP blocks at a place like Netcraft can see that it is owned by BurstNET Technologies.

The fact that you made no attempt to address this shows pretty well that you either don't understand or wish to avoid the anonymousness discussion altogether, IMO. Why else would you put HostNOC.net, your "anonymous" division, on a BurstNET Technologies, Inc. IP block?? Horrible.