Hello,

Anyone tried the Dual Xeon 2.0 with 1000GB transfer deal at Rackshack???? The price is nice! 299 USD...

if you do, please share your experience.:D

it's definitely a steal.

$300 setup
$300/mo

dual 2ghz, 1gb of ram, dual 120gb hard drives.

I'd get it, but I don't feel rackshacks network is worth $600.

Actually I have found that RS has a really good network. Latency is usually low and it is quite stable.

Thats a pretty amazing offer.

And Clocker, you may not feel it but you are rather wrong on the strength of their network. I dont see anyone even coming close to 1TB of bandwidth and a Dual xeon machine of that type.

For the amount of carriers they have, I will say at this point Im rather convinced rackshack has done it right. Regardless of past thoughts i rarely see any outages from them.

Clocker u are way off on this, like you usually are. Way to take a pretty amazing offer and degrade it with your far fetched thoughts on something that you could never build.

Also I can promise you their network costs alot more then $600
to build.

Sorry it upsets the heck out of me with these ridiculus comments by certain people.

Hey Jbiz.. You've improved your post structure since people mentioned how much of an idiot you are. Good job!

Originally posted by jayjay
Hey Jbiz.. You've improved your post structure since people mentioned how much of an idiot you are. Good job!
I can feel the love. :love: :D

One thing that hasnt change jayjay is how much of an ass you are.

Good Job

Originally posted by JBIZ718
Thats a pretty amazing offer.

And Clocker, you may not feel it but you are rather wrong on the strength of their network. I dont see anyone even coming close to 1TB of bandwidth and a Dual xeon machine of that type.

For the amount of carriers they have, I will say at this point Im rather convinced rackshack has done it right. Regardless of past thoughts i rarely see any outages from them.

Clocker u are way off on this, like you usually are. Way to take a pretty amazing offer and degrade it with your far fetched thoughts on something that you could never build.

Also I can promise you their network costs alot more then $600
to build.

Sorry it upsets the heck out of me with these ridiculus comments by certain people.

JBIZZ. SIMMA DOWN.

Joe, calm down. Seriously. Take a moment and breathe. Considering I have NINE rackshack servers, I don't think you are ANYONE to tell me anything about rackshack. I *know* about rackshack. You have nooooo idea.

Anyway, I was talking about their latency. The pings, how their network performance isn't as good as it was a few months ago. How all the network maintenance they have done over the past few months has really changed my mind about the quality of their network.

And JBIZZ, even if the offer came with 100 GB of bandwidth, it would not make a damn difference in the world to me. When I said I don't think their network is worth $600 I was talking about the quality of their network

I wasn't talking about the "strength" of their network either.
Anyone who says they don't have a strong network is a *****. It is obvious they have a strong network.

JBIZZ, "u" are way off on the spelling there. It's ridiculous not "ridiculus"

"WAY TO GO"

and i'm sure you're going to come yelling back saying its just a message board and that you don't have to spell properly. But when you worked for webreseller, in your emails you didn't type properly either. So don't even bother.

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All I'm saying is that their network isn't as great as it used to be IMO, so it's holding me back from picking up anymore servers. For now I’ve just been paying for my current ones.

SORRY, it just upsets the "heck" out of me when people JUMP me when they have no clue.

Was I the only one to burst into laughter?
Its a heck of a deal, the headsurfer may have lost his mind again...

You guys have way too much time on ur hands to fight with people you dont know, never will know..god...like it will help ur self esteem or somthing by trying to prove a point.

See this is where you are wrong clocker, I do have a clue about what goes on their. I know about their network, I know many people that use them. More then your 9 or so servers. So when you say something as ignorant as I have no clue, here is where you sound stupid, alot worse then my grammer problems.

Maybe clocker instead of degrading a company like you did, simply justify your points with evidence. Not mere IMO, facts, stats something that will back up your points. On top of that you have contradicted yourself. In your opinion do they have strong network or do they not. You said they did, so which is it.

I did not know I was being graded on my grammer here and or anywhere else. In regards to my typing its fine, its my grammer that I do not check, because most people are not that anal about this. Obviously their are the ones who can not find other things, so they find something as weak as this. Oh my, hold one sec, Im over it.

As I said your ignorance is what problems this industry, and jayjay is simply just a idiot.

I agree with mastwolf, time to go out.

Originally posted by JBIZ718
I do have a clue about what goes on their.

that's nice. but "u" don't have a clue about me. "u" started talking about me as if I wasn't even a customer. I actually use their services. so i'm not just one of those people who says something about rackshacks latency when i'm not even a customer. i was speaking based on experience. something you apparently can't seem to understand.

Originally posted by JBIZ718

On top of that you have contradicted yourself. In Your opinion do they have strong network or do they not. You said they did, so which is it.



again, i was talking about the latency. they have a strong network, i said that already. there is no doubt about it. i don't know what is so hard to understand. their latency isn't as good as it used to be, from what ive seen.

But back to what I was originally saying...

I think it is a GREAT deal. a GREAT offer. if you're doing something thats not ping sensitive, then go for it. but if you are, you should do some research before spending $600.

http://forum.rackshack.net/forumdisplay.php?forumid=38


Judge for yourself.

OMG that's an amazing deal. If I had a surplus of cash, I'd be after this!

Originally posted by johnallen
http://forum.rackshack.net/forumdisplay.php?forumid=38


Judge for yourself.
Their network status is actually a very very good thing, not a bad thing. Unlike other hosts, RackShack posts notices of when maintenance is scheduled or when emergency mantenance has to occur so that their customers can be aware of any potential and planned brief outages. As a customer there, I can say that of all the posts there, my monitoring has only caught my server down once. Remember that RackShack is huge with 6000+ servers, and that most of those notices only affect a small amount of their customers. With such a large network, it's inevitable that a component will fail here or there and need to be replaced, etc. etc. And with so many bandwidth providers, there are of course notices of maintenance by this or that upstream, but it only takes a few moments usually or if longer they route around it.

Originally posted by timesroman

Their network status is actually a very very good thing, not a bad thing. Unlike other hosts, RackShack posts notices of when maintenance is scheduled or when emergency mantenance has to occur so that their customers can be aware of any potential and planned brief outages. As a customer there, I can say that of all the posts there, my monitoring has only caught my server down once. Remember that RackShack is huge with 6000+ servers, and that most of those notices only affect a small amount of their customers. With such a large network, it's inevitable that a component will fail here or there and need to be replaced, etc. etc. And with so many bandwidth providers, there are of course notices of maintenance by this or that upstream, but it only takes a few moments usually or if longer they route around it.

If you look under your name it says the title newbie. It doesn't mean you should treat me like one. I have 3 servers with rackshack. I host webhosting and nobody ever notices anything wrong going on. However on the gaming servers people worry about that thing called ping times. On each of those days in that list of Network Maintenance I have someone message me about the game lagging. Not everyone, but the people using those backbones in route to the server.

If you look under your name it says the title newbie. It doesn't mean you should treat me like one.
Didn't mean to insult you :rolleyes:

Will you be moving customers away from RackShack because of the poor pings and the maintenance?

Clocker I actually know more then you think about you and your operations, but I wont go into that.

Originally posted by clocker1996
Considering I have NINE rackshack servers, I don't think you are ANYONE to tell me anything about rackshack. I *know* about rackshack. You have nooooo idea.

I think the man has a point there!

Originally posted by JBIZ718
Clocker I actually know more then you think about you and your operations, but I wont go into that.

Could you please keep whatever you claim to know AND the "fact" THAT you know something to yourself please. Unless this is a threat. Do you know MY operations too? No. The better... for YOU :angry:

I see some problems...


LIke what cache that xeon has ?

512 / 1mb / 2mb ?


and about the 1 Tb i think is ok i wold like a little more ( 1.500 )
for that setup fee...


i think the setup fee is very very spice...

And only 1 Gb ram is way too little :(

It's the machine that cost obviously. I seriously doubt that will be dual Xeon 2ghz with 1Mb cache. At that price, it's likely to be 512. I could be wrong.

In any case, guys... it's sad to see the thread degenerate so fast to mud slinging. But I guess it's normal :stickout:

rackshack has a laggy network whether they are doing maintainence on it or not.

Laggy or not.. and probably not, for what you pay to get a box on it you have absolutly no right to complain. Gonna have to side with Joe on this one.

-Brendan

Majority of the time ping times are pretty good. But I use verio to hit the Datacenter. So I dunno about williams, cogent, and time warner.

Originally posted by hostingsp
I see some problems...
and about the 1 Tb i think is ok i wold like a little more ( 1.500 )
for that setup fee...
i think the setup fee is very very spice...

And only 1 Gb ram is way too little :(

$299/month for a Dual Xeon 2GHz , 2 x 120 GB harddrives and 1 GB DDR RAM with 1000 GB of bandwidth and people still are complaining... omg :confused:

I agree, this could have been a great thread, but too much of "you this" and "you that"...

I personally think its a great deal from a large company which I've heard more good then bad about. I would be curious what a server like this would cost with W2k Server on it...

Pitty they had to go ruin it all by putting Ensim on there ;)

RS is soon introducing CPANEL servers as well. Last I heard HeadSurfer is launching CPanel servers on their Compaq range..I had a couple of servers with RS no big problems so far with their Network except the DC move which they did last year. IMO RS offers you full value of your money..

No One can beat Headsurfer with prices he offers.. Perhaps he should now change his name to HeadServer :D

Originally posted by Tazzman
Pitty they had to go ruin it all by putting Ensim on there ;)

you can always remove it. i just got done removing ensim on this rackshack server.

I'm on Rs whit Plesk 5 (buy by myself) ,

Then until August i have got my first server,
now i have 2 server then very happy about the
network, i have got no more than may be around 20 min
downtime because of network prob then else
very good..

If they just can offer plesk at low cost
this will be better btw ;-)

:D

:P

Why you guys don't like ensim ?

"I use CPanel and i'm goin to try ensim i think..."

PS : I just think $299 / $299 setup : it's too much for only 1000 Gb off transf.
And the over Gb it's $ 1.50 that's way too much...

I really thing they cold lower a little there GB extra * 1.00 *

at about .30 per gb is pretty good pricing. I think you should also consider that 299 setup is definitely not sufficient to cover the cost of the machine. So one way or the other, they must earn back on the investment. Therefore, that's why everyone says that the cost is very cheap. It's the machine that makes the difference.

hostingsp

Not everything revolves around bandwidth either. If I can get a bigger machine with less bandwidth because I know i'm not going to go over the amount I purchased then i'll definately do it. Why go with a slower server with a huge amount of bandwidth that i'll never use.

*Just a thought ;)

Originally posted by hostingsp
:P

Why you guys don't like ensim ?

"I use CPanel and i'm goin to try ensim i think..."

PS : I just think $299 / $299 setup : it's too much for only 1000 Gb off transf.
And the over Gb it's $ 1.50 that's way too much...

I really thing they cold lower a little there GB extra * 1.00 *

What a joke. I can't belive someone would say that. Maybe RS should just give you a server.

1000 Gb is about 3 Megs of sustained traffic. Thats 2 T-1s! :confused:

if they give out servers count me in :stickout:

Originally posted by hostingsp
I see some problems...


LIke what cache that xeon has ?

512 / 1mb / 2mb ?


and about the 1 Tb i think is ok i wold like a little more ( 1.500 )
for that setup fee...


i think the setup fee is very very spice...

And only 1 Gb ram is way too little :(

Get real

If it wasnt for the fact that RackShack Has no support whatsoever, i know they are unmanaged but that shouldnt stop them fromp replying with something different then "rackshack offers no support for the subject".A good EX. of their customer neglect is when one of our servers was hacked whilst at RS and we were treated like the villain not the victim, ahhhhh i love BurstNET :D

Unmanaged shouldn't have to mean "your server is screwed, live with it." My ThePlanet servers are unmanaged but they have been more than helpful to me and others, actually taking the time to call up customers when their servers go down in the middle of the night. My counter-strike servers weren't downloading the VAC (valve anti-cheat) file properly on one server that was newly setup so they had one technician who does a lot of CS server related work in his free time and works directly with Valve to take a look at the situation. RackShack would just send a random person to push the power button your server then tell you to purchase an OS reinstall.

There is a reason why managed servers cost more. In the case of a managed server, you are paying for that extra support. Therefore they should not say "your server is screwed, fix it on your own."

In regards to unmanaged servers, If you can't fix the problem on your own you shouldn't be buying unmanaged.

I'm talking about basic support even when it's their problem. I've had two rackshack servers with faulty images (forget what one was but another wouldn't ifup correctly so i couldn't add any IPs) but they refuse to help instead telling me to look on their forums or irc. Even after presenting evidence that it was their fault and not mine they don't do a thing. On the otherhand they went ahead and looked at my ThePlanet server and told me exactly what was wrong in its setup. I'm not talking about full fledged support but it's these basic things that RackShack refuses to help with that irks me.

And unmanaged shouldn't mean waiting hours for that guy to push the restart button like at RS sometimes.

One thing i don't like about
"unmanaged" servers are that the security it's you doing it...

And not a person that is realed to the new fixe's and stuff...


I can't see why they install the os and don't install the firewall it a fair configuration...

I mean some people don't know how to do that and they put the inteire network...
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About the $299 i sayd it was a ok deal... not a bad deal...but i'm all against high setup fees.... "that's me :)"

PS : i'm just a cheap guy :P

They have probably over 10,000 servers. They don't charge much for each server. I don't think they have the resources to have employees look after all those servers and still remain as cheap as they are.

Originally posted by mushrew
I'm talking about basic support even when it's their problem. I've had two rackshack servers with faulty images (forget what one was but another wouldn't ifup correctly so i couldn't add any IPs) but they refuse to help instead telling me to look on their forums or irc. Even after presenting evidence that it was their fault and not mine they don't do a thing. On the otherhand they went ahead and looked at my ThePlanet server and told me exactly what was wrong in its setup. I'm not talking about full fledged support but it's these basic things that RackShack refuses to help with that irks me.

And unmanaged shouldn't mean waiting hours for that guy to push the restart button like at RS sometimes.

But you also pay 2-3 times more @ ThePlanet compared to RackShack's prices. So you should get service like that from ThePlanet.

Actually I pay the same as RackShack.

$299 setup on a server that cost between $1800 to $2100 to build is quite reasonable, in fact it's just too cheap in my opinion. Plus with 22 sold in just 2 days of this model alone, I think that the marketplace has also judged it an excellent buy.

I agree, those prices are already very low and still take a few months to break even with server setup costs:

Intel Dual Xeon 2.0
1 GB Ram
2x120GB Hard Drives
1000GB Bandwidth

Now, how much do you really expect to get this for and have it include a reliable network, support that works, etc?

Originally posted by headsurfer
$299 setup on a server that cost between $1800 to $2100 to build is quite reasonable, in fact it's just too cheap in my opinion. Plus with 22 sold in just 2 days of this model alone, I think that the marketplace has also judged it an excellent buy.

Have to agree... BUT: If you need that kind of machine it would be 100% apropriate to buy it and colocate. 299$ +7% Sales Tax = 319$/per month is a good bargain from RackShack but not in the longrun. And with THAT kind of hardware you have to be targetting "longrun"... cause you don't "just need" such a server suddenly ;)

Why do i always hear bad press about RS and EV1... I have had my chat server hosted there which holds at a bare minimum a constant user stream of 2,000 in the leaf's local count.

RS was by far the most stable server we've ever used, and we had an uptime of over 180 days and true latency is great.

I think other hosts generate bad reputation for RS/EV1 because of the odd downtime they have (which even top hosts have) and the fact that no host i've seen can compete even close :).. the new dual xeon package demonstrates this VERY well.

That's my opinion and it ain't gonna change for as far as i can see, Rob's a cool guy too just he dont email me anymore! Anyone would think he's a busy guy or something ;)


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Originally posted by hostingsp
I see some problems...


LIke what cache that xeon has ?

512 / 1mb / 2mb ?


and about the 1 Tb i think is ok i wold like a little more ( 1.500 )
for that setup fee...


i think the setup fee is very very spice...

And only 1 Gb ram is way too little :(

Dogging on RackShack yet again. When do you learn?! All of the xeon's I've seen (p4 and p3) had 2mb cache. The setup fee isn't that bad. 1gb of ram way too little?! Not really when you think about it, the fact that its a dual xeon makes up for it.

Originally posted by interactive

The setup fee isn't that bad. 1gb of ram way too little?! Not really when you think about it, the fact that its a dual xeon makes up for it.


This is where you will get much grief, because no, the processor doesn't make up for the amount of RAM you have. I have a 1 GHZ AMD DURON box with them where the CPU's load is never over 50 percent, yet it uses 1 GIG of RAM easily.

Of course dual xeon chips and only 1.0 gig of ram aren't to equal of a machine. I mean a single 1 ghz chip could handle 1 gig of ram. However, most consumers do not look at how balanced a machine is. They look at the big numbers. And when Headsurfer puts 4.0 GHZ up on the site, people go crazy not knowing the unbalancedness before their eyes. Rackshack knows what I do in the sence that people like big numbers and that is why they are making so much money.

Think about it this way, Dell offers computers with 2.0 GHZ p4's with 128 MB SD Ram. That machine would run no faster then a p3 1 GHZ with 128 MB RAM. In this case, to make the machine faster, you would need to increase the amount of ram, not the processor speed.

I am even writing a paper for school explaining the art of balancing a machine. If anyone wants a copy when I am finished, send me a PM.

:D :D


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I agree with what you say. I didn't mean it balanced it out in literal terms. I think rackshack was thinking any one who would use this was either yes crazy, or they'll get large overages charges. Just my 2 pennies
Originally posted by Rob_AcuNett



This is where you will get much grief, because no, the processor doesn't make up for the amount of RAM you have. I have a 1 GHZ AMD DURON box with them where the CPU's load is never over 50 percent, yet it uses 1 GIG of RAM easily.

Of course dual xeon chips and only 1.0 gig of ram aren't to equal of a machine. I mean a single 1 ghz chip could handle 1 gig of ram. However, most consumers do not look at how balanced a machine is. They look at the big numbers. And when Headsurfer puts 4.0 GHZ up on the site, people go crazy not knowing the unbalancedness before their eyes. Rackshack knows what I do in the sence that people like big numbers and that is why they are making so much money.

Think about it this way, Dell offers computers with 2.0 GHZ p4's with 128 MB SD Ram. That machine would run no faster then a p3 1 GHZ with 128 MB RAM. In this case, to make the machine faster, you would need to increase the amount of ram, not the processor speed.

I am even writing a paper for school explaining the art of balancing a machine. If anyone wants a copy when I am finished, send me a PM.

:D :D


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Damm it's a good offer!