Well, I have to say that the new kernels are very fast. I really like the RedHat 8.0.
Apaches serves 30% faster (according to ab)

When comes to update more than 4.000 servers i think the world "let's update all server it no fee" does not come in the head.



But i also think it has something to do it ensim not working that grade it red hat 7.3 +

Well, I am not speaking about upgrading existing servers, but proposing redhat 8.0 on new boxes (plain redhat boxes, no ensim)

Mayble there is not many request for a plain red hat it dout the ensim ??


And

Mayble they already have a auto install cd our something like that ?


Mayble they prefer for you to chose a ensim package ?^


Mayble day have there tech teams already training to install the new red hat and now the new stuff and etc ?



( hehehe pic one... )

No offence to anyone, but you'd have to be a nutter to want to run a X.0 release from any company on a server, not just RedHat. X.0 releases are where new things are tried out and they often don't work well or are buggy, further releases refine the tools etc. and things get back to being stable, so it's always worth waiting for a X.1 or betterm X.2 release.

Well, that's a point of view.
For a web server, another point of view would be to get the lastest web server version, the lastest SQL backend and ssh version.
ssh has had a lot of security holes and if you didn't update your 7.X box you may have this vulnerabilities.

I would appreciate RS offer the choice to the customer. Is it SO difficult to have 3 OS CD images instead of one?

KDAWebServices,
I do not agree with your comment about x.0 versions and that it's better to wait for the x.2 version of the OS to install it on server. That means you'll have to wait about 1 year to upgrade to RH 8.2, and by that time RedHat will discontinue support for RH 7.2.
The only explanation should be incompatibility of the new OS with the current versions of the control panels.
The new 8.0 fixes a lot of security issues that exist in the previous versions of RedHat, and I don't beleive that RS's image of 7.2 includes all of the current updates.

The images of 7.2 and 7.3 maybe don't contain all the latest software, but up2date certainly has patched versions of all the software.

I found up2date to be useless as I always get messages that server is too busy... I wouldn't count on up2date to keep my server updated, I count on the security mailing list and downloading the updates from the mirror sites.
Anyway, up2date exist in RH8.0 and it will update the RH8.0 too (if you are lucky enough to find RH's update server not busy ;) ).

Originally posted by bitel.biz
KDAWebServices,
I do not agree with your comment about x.0 versions and that it's better to wait for the x.2 version of the OS to install it on server. That means you'll have to wait about 1 year to upgrade to RH 8.2, and by that time RedHat will discontinue support for RH 7.2.
The only explanation should be incompatibility of the new OS with the current versions of the control panels.
The new 8.0 fixes a lot of security issues that exist in the previous versions of RedHat, and I don't beleive that RS's image of 7.2 includes all of the current updates.

sure an x.0 release includes lots of new features, software, improvements etc - it is well known that (especially redhat) that they're usually quite buggy and unstable - I think that's why kda said you'd have to be crazy to run a x.0 in production.

I recently had a Rh 8 server and the Apache 2 that shipped with it had problems with php, a common problem with Apache 2 as I found out later. I got a reinstall of 7.2 then because I heard 7.3 has some sort of memory leak or whatever problems. Sure hearsay for some part and the php issue could have been fixed somehow I am sure but who wants to make a rocket science out of this? It seems RH 7.2 which comes with Apache 1.3.27 is a solid and mature package and Rackshack know what they are doing

I know another dedicated-only host that caters to high bandwidth customers with SCSI and double CPU and all only, and they also have 7.2 only and won't install any other RH

Looking back I find hosts that offer RH 8 NOW to be a bit hasty

yes... an answer to your question is becuase of bugs.... 7.2 seems to be the most stable out there... with 7.3 a close second.

The default RH8.0 (2.4.18-17 I believe) has issues. For one there are cases where it hoses ext3 partitions.
I would avoid the 2.4.18 line now that 2.4.20 is out. Andrea Arcangeli got some memory improving patches through Marcelo. I also believe that Marcelo has merged the I(0) scheduler in 2.4.20.

Stimpson

Originally posted by alexmadon
Well, that's a point of view.
For a web server, another point of view would be to get the lastest web server version, the lastest SQL backend and ssh version.
ssh has had a lot of security holes and if you didn't update your 7.X box you may have this vulnerabilities.

I would appreciate RS offer the choice to the customer. Is it SO difficult to have 3 OS CD images instead of one?

:D it is not so difficult to have 3 CDs, no. RS doesn't install each time OS on the servers via CD. RS is going another way - they are installing RH on one (let's say 60GB) hdd and than clone it on 100 (more or less) more the same 60GB hdds.
Installing system each time from CD - wasting of your time especially when you have to serve thousands of servers.

Miha.

I don't even think they are cloning the drives, I was thinking they used Norton Ghost instead of a hard drive clone

Same thing different technology