Hello,

We have been discussing different solutions besides hosting web pages everyone is doing that now. Ventrilo hosting is a quite big market because everyone is always looking for cheap ventrilo prices that aside would you guys recommmends we start with that or maybe lean towards teamspeak. We are looking to outsource to reliable sources because housing everything within the same servers is just a bit overwhelming and licensing would kill us. So is ventrilo on the market better? and how does teamspeak rate on the market right now?

-Frank N.-
LNDP Hosting Representative

Ventrilo is, in fact, a massive market. Talk to Rich at Defcon Servers, they can give you great reseller rates (they are a licensed Ventrilo provider).

would recommend it :P

I heard it is next to impossible to get a ventrilo license. I don't see anyone making a decent buck from reselling, but I could be wrong.

Licensing is almost impossible with flagship but you can start off with a reseller and eventually grow. TeamSpeak licensing however is possible and TeamSpeak 3 has become BIG. The best of luck to you.

This is all great info maybe I'll take a look at TS 3 didn't realize it was just as popular as ventrilo now. I remember TS 2 wasn't as popular and was hesitant in heading that direction. Thanks for the resources I'll do some research and see what I will do.

-Frank N.-

This is all great info maybe I'll take a look at TS 3 didn't realize it was just as popular as ventrilo now. I remember TS 2 wasn't as popular and was hesitant in heading that direction. Thanks for the resources I'll do some research and see what I will do.

-Frank N.-

Teamspeak is the way to go at the moment. The way ventrilo is every single company that has a license is going to destroy your pricing. Teamspeak is different and rather fair in the market if you choose the right reseller. Or if you get a direct license.

Yea I took a look at the possible outcomes it looks like teamspeak is just easier and more profitable than ventrilo at this moment. I did find something called mohawk voice chat which is suppose to the next leader of voip for gamers.

Whatever you do please get legit licensing. Too many kiddies try to sell TS3 servers without actually being an authorized seller, paying licensing fees, or selling them off their "home server".

Yea I took a look at the possible outcomes it looks like teamspeak is just easier and more profitable than ventrilo at this moment. I did find something called mohawk voice chat which is suppose to the next leader of voip for gamers.


MohawkVoice is also a great VoIP you can look into hosting.

Have you considered murmur/mumble I game and that program has faster response which is very important then either TS or Vent. I think it is totally free. An angle which could prove very successful is to run murmur servers and try to advertise the advantages.

Teamspeak is the way to go at the moment. The way ventrilo is every single company that has a license is going to destroy your pricing. Teamspeak is different and rather fair in the market if you choose the right reseller. Or if you get a direct license.

I don't see the need in reselling TeamSpeak servers -- unless your business is not legally registered. TeamSpeak is extremely lenient on licensing. :)

I don't see the need in reselling TeamSpeak servers -- unless your business is not legally registered. TeamSpeak is extremely lenient on licensing. :)

If you are not willing to grab a dedicated server then I would resell. If you do not mind a dedicated server then yes go direct :)

Ventrilo is the only way to go, imo. I have hosted TeamSpeak 3, Ventrilo, and MurMur (mumble). Your biggest voice market in North America will probably be mostly World of Warcraft players, and almost always Ventrilo is used.. You might find 1 out of 10 guilds/clans that use TeamSpeak or something else, but the majority of players use Ventrilo.

TeamSpeak 3's configuration is cumbersome and annoying which turns off most people from using it. MurMur has promise as far as features go - but with a server and 50 people online it was very bandwidth intensive and a lot of people experienced latency issues. Voice Quality wasn't near as good, etc. (No it wasn't running off of my home computer, it was on a 100mbit line).

Interesting I might look at MurMur too sounds like a viable choice at some point. I was looking at getting a cloud host and setup different server around the US through nodes. It would allow people to render great quality voice in their region. But it is just an idea because it is a bit expensive I must say.

-Frank N.-

It is odd how people can have such different views of the same product. Currently I use ventrillo the lag is noticable about 500 ms no matter how we change codecs or settings we cannot make that go away.

I used to use teamspeak but the guy who paid for that is gone and now a guy paid for a vent server for long time. When we had team speak most people got it working no problem with vent even people who have it working will show up and it stops working. It seems to be the most widely used but I am still scratching my head trying to figure out why. It is sort of like everything that people say is better does not seem to be better to me.


Then at some point we tried to test all 3 of them and mumble beat ts or vent in speed/latency and voice quality yet vector claims exactly the opposite. The only real downer about mumble was it was not very intuitive in some aspects but vent is like that too IMO.

There are many voip programs online right now, but some of the popular ones include:

Ventrilo
TeamSpeak
MurMur
Mumble
Mohawk

I would do a simple google search for providers, however my company actually is in the processes of gaining licenses to start selling voip solutions.

I know ventrilo and team speak can sell very well, however i have not gone into trying to sell them, i am looking to it for the future, it seems to be a want.

Game servers and shoutcast seem to do very well currently.

I know ventrilo and team speak can sell very well, however i have not gone into trying to sell them, i am looking to it for the future, it seems to be a want.

Game servers and shoutcast seem to do very well currently.

The problem with game servers is one, getting into the market and getting known, and two, supporting both competitive and casual game play.

Ventrilo is the established market leader at the moment, but like others have said getting a license is nigh impossible.

If you're taking suggestions, I believe Mumble is really superior to Ventrilo in almost every way. I think the market for Mumble servers will really start to take off once others realize that as well. There has been some chatter among the WoW community recently with regards to Mumble, and I think that within the next 12 months we will see it really take hold within the US.

A great thing about Mumble is the low barrier to entry. There's only a handful of companies who offer Mumble servers at the moment, so if you want to get in now is the time ;)

The downside to that though is that people who do offer Mumble hosting now will be tough competition for you :) For example, Jaime over at Sabrienix has been working with Mumble for quite a while now, submitting patches to the project and whatnot, and generally runs a really top-notch service.

In any case, whatever you decide, best of luck to you.

Did you look into www.shockvoice.net?
It's nice and decent application, a lot of codecs, mail box, hlsw support, chat and so on.

Ventrilo is the established market leader at the moment, but like others have said getting a license is nigh impossible.

As far as I know, it pretty much is impossible. Flagship will make the same amount of money with the authorized partners they have now as they would with 5 more really huge gaming companies, because at the present they have the market cornered.

That, combined with the fact Ventrilo's really had no new features or anything, makes me think that the people behind it are just content to sit back and count their benjamins until the wheels fall off.

If you're taking suggestions, I believe Mumble is really superior to Ventrilo in almost every way. I think the market for Mumble servers will really start to take off once others realize that as well. There has been some chatter among the WoW community recently with regards to Mumble, and I think that within the next 12 months we will see it really take hold within the US.

Mumble's already starting to gain ground. Most patient people agree it's a better system, the chief enemy of it is inertia - and perhaps how complicated it is at first for the average gamer. In the USA Mumble's really starting to dominate TF2 in competitive and PUGs, and a lot of public servers have Mumble servers to go right along with it. As far as I know, European competitive TF2 is pretty much all Mumble.

WoW (and other MMORPGs) guilds are finally starting to catch on. Finally, Mumble also definitely has a place in Eve online - because of the possibilities with authenticators and such which help curb espionage.

A great thing about Mumble is the low barrier to entry. There's only a handful of companies who offer Mumble servers at the moment, so if you want to get in now is the time ;)

One downside to Mumble hosting is you really need to either build or modify a panel to suit it. I've seen a ton of people who saw it included in TCAdmin or whatever, think they can just drop it on a server and it's ready to go... but the quality of a server run like that is pretty terrible - there's only so much you can do with a .ini editor and the ability to restart the server (that's a hard restart too, Murmur doesn't re-read configs on sighup... that's on my todo list).

There's no decent commercial administration software that I'm aware of - every so often someone talks about it, and then they disappear. I'm thinking that's because of the licensing restrictions with Ice - it's free for Mumble to use it (because Mumble itself is dual-licensed GPL, for the purposes of distributing binaries using Ice, QT, etc - the main license for Mumble's core is BSD), and like Linux, you can take and use Ice commercially by offering it as a service... but you can't to my knowledge sell/rent software powered by Ice without acquiring a commercial license.

The downside to that though is that people who do offer Mumble hosting now will be tough competition for you :) For example, Jaime over at Sabrienix has been working with Mumble for quite a while now, submitting patches to the project and whatnot, and generally runs a really top-notch service.

Thanks for the nod, but I don't really think it's all that bad. I think if you wanted to provide Mumble servers, you really need to look into doing it correctly, and not just dropping it in TCadmin or cPanelGS and slapping it up on your WHMCS.

Beyond that, there's a ton of room for servers in more local locations to your audience (as far as I know Asia-pacific has next to nothing in the way of servers... of course there are bandwidth cost issues there, so you'd need some creative marketing) and there's also lots of creative stuff you could do with marketing the authentication back-end. Someone can easily sell a bundled forum package with a Mumble server that automatically gets its users and groups from the forum software.

Your chief barrier to Mumble hosting is that the market is still quite small. You have to concentrate on promoting the software itself as well as your service, and really after you wind up successfully convincing a guild or a group that Mumble's a better setup (which in most cases, it'll do on it's own, your sole job is to beat the escape-velocity of that Ventrilo inertia) then your service almost sells itself by virtue of how small the commercial hosting circle really is.

I guess I'm just optimistic about Mumble because it's a labor of love - truthfully if I had my way, I'd leave the web-hosting to my wife and just sit around working on Mumble all day. We can't quite afford to do that yet (Mumble's not making us rich yet, and we basically got in on the ground floor), but it's a goal of mine. :D

Did you look into www.shockvoice.net?
It's nice and decent application, a lot of codecs, mail box, hlsw support, chat and so on.

These days, I just can't see paying for a license for another unknown voice product. If I'm going to license a piece of software for voice products, it's going to be something people have heard of (Vent/TS3). You're getting the worst of both worlds with commercial software that's also practically unheard of - you have to do the legwork to get groups to use it, and you're giving up a fair chunk of your profit in licensing fees.

and you're giving up a fair chunk of your profit in licensing fees.

I can't find the line where I said that shockvoice is my product?
Put this aside.

The true is that most of the people will go for a Vent / teamspeak since they are well known in the industry.

I can't find the line where I said that shockvoice is my product?

I can't find the line where I implied you said that? :D

The true is that most of the people will go for a Vent / teamspeak since they are well known in the industry.

Agreed, but at least with Mumble and anything else GPL/BSD, you don't have to pay licensing fees to host them, so you can offer servers a bit cheaper than you would with Vent/TS... that takes a bit of the weight away from convincing the person(s) who pay for the server that your chosen product is a better product.

I can't find the line where I implied you said that? :D



Agreed, but at least with Mumble and anything else GPL/BSD, you don't have to pay licensing fees to host them, so you can offer servers a bit cheaper than you would with Vent/TS... that takes a bit of the weight away from convincing the person(s) who pay for the server that your chosen product is a better product.

Seems that I didn't drink my coffee that morning?! :agree: