Anyone know of anywhere that has pics of the FDC NoC?

Have you written to FDC to inquire ? I think they probably know their NoC better than anyone else.

I had "supposed" pictures of kingcomp/fdcservers "NOC" from about a year back, but they denied they were legitimate photographs shortly after the reseller posted them.

Originally posted by porcupine
I had "supposed" pictures of kingcomp/fdcservers "NOC" from about a year back, but they denied they were legitimate photographs shortly after the reseller posted them.

Is it suupposed to be top secret or something? :D

No clue, recent rumors have also indicated that httpd.net's NOC had the same "top secret classification" (just a rumor i heard and cant confirm, someone that had dealt with them, said clients had to do server repairs, etc. in a mall parking lot (server is brought to them, they do the repairs, server is brought back to the NOC), as nobody was allowed to see the NOC, i haven't a clue, sounds pretty funny though :D).

So what makes some of these NOCs soo scared to show what they look like and others blatantly set up webcams across the whole place (rackshack.net)? Is it that messy in there? :)

It does get quite messy in datacenters. But only to a certain level. I don't see why a company should hold back so much on showing pictures of their facility.

I actually just talked to the reseller today, says they sent him the pictures and then cut off his reseller privelleges when he posted them.

Ouch. I do not see any crime or any security breach for the ISP to release pictures of their NoC. But of course letting anyone in the NoC would be a different thing altogether.

Unless of course, they really have something to hide, like they are not operating as what they claim to be operating as.

Places that refuse to post images either dont have any equipment, or something dodgy ;)

What harm can come of posting images of a router and switch plus a few servers!?!? - Nothing.

Perhaps all the people coming in or checking out cams was distubing the Nerf Skirmish games :D

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005BXJ0.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Hmmm, Nerf :homer:

Greg Moore

Originally posted by shadevarr
So what makes some of these NOCs soo scared to show what they look like and others blatantly set up webcams across the whole place (rackshack.net)? Is it that messy in there? :)

Because if you operate a "NOC" (i cant *@((#$(*# stand it when people use that word when they dont have one, we dont have a NOC, we have a DC (Data Center), if you're not manned 24x7 by your own trained techs, you're not a NOC) out of your basement, bedroom, or garage, you dont want people to know this. A few such companies on WHT have been known to do this *cough* no names mentioned *cough*, and obviously, dont want their customers to find out their new state of the art $500/mo colo is right next to some guys power tools in his garage.

haha what a trip. i could just see telling clients "could you please bring the contract, servers, and several thousand dollars your paying for 25mbit and a rack to safeway parking lot. we will be in the white van with dents all over it aka Our mobile NOC. knock twice on the van door and our 24/7 staff will greet you, please have photo id ready."

That's the exact reason that companies do not want you to see their DC.

No, they dont have a multi-million dollar facility
No, they dont have actual racks
Yes, your servers are in standard tower cases on flimsy shelves
Yes, their HVAC is only a few upright fans (got a problem with that?!)
Yes, the owner still lives with his mother
No, they dont have 1000 servers in their DC (or 'spare room' to be technically correct)

:)

Yes their/our NOC is top secret indeed as it is out in deep space. I am taking the next space shuttle to go reboot some servers and setup colo machines...

Originally posted by seg fault
That's the exact reason that companies do not want you to see their DC.

No, they dont have a multi-million dollar facility
No, they dont have actual racks
Yes, your servers are in standard tower cases on flimsy shelves
Yes, their HVAC is only a few upright fans (got a problem with that?!)
Yes, the owner still lives with his mother
No, they dont have 1000 servers in their DC (or 'spare room' to be technically correct)

:)

hahaa - True to the word.

wouldn't you want to show off pics of your NOC/DC because:

#1 it'd look good to possible clients
#2 something to be proud of

...my useless opinion appears again.

Haa haa. Well, if I have a million dollar NOC, I would be more than willing to showcase it and probably dedicated a whole section of the web page detailing all the state-of-the-art features and stuffs like that.

But I am not in the web hosting business and I do not own a NOC/DC so there is nothing to show for.

Hmmm.... I remember Cyberwings couldn't show a picture of their new DC because it was top secret... I wonder if Shawn had to take a space shuttle to his.... he's probably still up in space now, that's why it's not up :D .

I have never been into space before but when I watch those shows when the home base communicates with the spaceship or space shuttle, there seems to be a lag in terms of communication. Probably that's why you get those tons of latency.

Prolly using cogent. The signal gotta bounce off all the planets before coming back to Earth. :D

Sometimes I can see why things need to be kept unknown, I've known a few people that had suites in a data center that hosted government servers, and didn't want to compromise security by giving pictures of the layout of the building...

But for some reason, I kinda doubt KingComp/FDC has government equipment :D

We dont publicize any pictures of our datacenter, however we do have em and will show em off if people ask to see em. I imagine many other places are the same way.

-Brendan

Well, there is probably no need to provide pictures of the layout of the sensitive equipments. Just a few Wide Angle images would do. Besides if you do not label which server belongs to which government equipment, you would not be able to determine.

Brendan... you darken the picture on purpose didn't you :D

err, Robert, you dont ever actually goto their data center anyway because you are in another country no?

Originally posted by seg fault
err, Robert, you dont ever actually goto their data center anyway because you are in another country no?

No of course not. I am in Greece :)

Originally posted by silversurfer
Brendan... you darken the picture on purpose didn't you :D

Quite romantic ... :)

Here is my DC..

Heh..

I actually dont run a DC, but just had to put the image of a closet in there

Nah its not darkened - just taken in the dark basically. We have multiple sets of lighting for the server room, one of them is pretty dim.

-Brendan

Don't forget, part of the reason maybe for security reason. I once had an opportunity to visit an IBM data center (actually, equnix), and they don't allow camera or the taking of pictures.

However, FDC doesn't host mission-critical sites, so I doubt that is the reason.

Peter

i say show the pictures , if you're getting quality hosting , why would you care if its in a garage?

for real, i'd honestly prefer a responsible host who built up a little center in his home or basement.

2 years of the best hosting experience in my life was with a guy who built an extension in his house for his small office. he had 2 T-1's coming in and had about 20 or so servers in there doing virtual hosting (only). it was clean, extremely well setup, and he grew to the point of having himself + 2 techs on a full time rotation.

course, this was back in the day and he sold his servers and customers to a big host that was swallowing smaller companies up back then at .com wonderland prices. don't know what he's doing now, but, i'm sure he's pretty comfortable :)

Originally posted by Just_Kp
Here is my DC..

can i colocate my server on top of your sink?

@ Newark?

Originally posted by ckpeter
Don't forget, part of the reason maybe for security reason. I once had an opportunity to visit an IBM data center (actually, equnix), and they don't allow camera or the taking of pictures.

However, FDC doesn't host mission-critical sites, so I doubt that is the reason.

Peter

Sorry, I had the wrong spelling there. The data center that I visited is http://www.equinix.com located near Chicago. Specifically, the IBM portion of it.

Peter