I am an ex Truehost customer. I had huge problems trying to get them to transfer my domain to another host. They tried to hold on to my domain by continually saying that I had not followed the correct procedures nor spoke to the correct person to transfer my domain. The only solution was to transfer the domain myself and quickly cancel my billing account.
I also got the obligatory rude email after threatening to take legal action !

BEWARE......

Well you see what I mean (addressing the other folks from the other truehosting post)?

People getting all upset over something like "I had huge problems trying to get them to transfer my domain to another host."

Why do people think the host has anything to do with your own domain name? Why would the host you are leaving transfer it for you... thats your job!

Then there's the "threatening to take legal action !" Holy cow! You see, everyone just jumps to saying I'm going to sue you. Could you imagine buying something from say Sears or some other department store and expecting them to do every little thing for you and then when they don't, threatening to sue them? They would probably just laugh. What makes hosting any different... why are people so compelled to sue someone for $20 (if it was a month thing of course)? Is this some kind of trend or something? Geezus!

I feel like if you are not informed about what you are purchasing, then don't buy it! Sorry, I'm not trying to be rude and I know it sounds that way... but now I'm getting really pissed at how ignorant some people really are. > :(

"I'm getting really pissed at how ignorant some people really are."

In that case, please learn the difference between "effect" and "affect". Thank you.

"[B]I am an ex Truehost customer. I had huge problems trying to get them to transfer my domain to another host. They tried to hold on to my domain by continually saying that I had not followed the correct procedures nor spoke to the correct person to transfer my domain. The only solution was to transfer the domain myself and quickly cancel my billing account."

You are responsible for making changes to your domain record, with your domain registrar. This is not our responsibility. This had obviously been explained to you.

"I also got the obligatory rude email after threatening to take legal action !"

Your threat of legal action was not just unfounded but also rediculous. We refuse to do business with anyone making such rude, inappropriate, and also illegal empty threats.

I registered, finally.

This is to guest who so kindly pointed out my spelling errors.

I'm not pissed with how ignorant people are in general...which I guess spelling would fall under that category.

I'm really pissed with how ignorant people are on the Internet. This includes the (so-called) issues about hosting (because we all know that hosting companies are superior to any other company and so they can never make a mistake or have problems), buying stuff online period and how the law can work for and against the people/consumer.

To make a point, anyone out there that is reading this.... please if you have actually been screwed by a host and threatened lawsuit, please tell us if you got anywhere. This of course means if the case was ever pursued in a court of law and you actually won.

Frankly the US doesn't (at the moment) have laws that would get anyone on the Internet in court or in jail. Especially because hosting companies write their TOS/policies in such clever ways that even if you did demand a refund they could probably just say you broke the TOS and that means no refund.

All in all, the internet is not a safe place to make any type of transaction. Things can be twisted around to make the business look like they are right and the consumer look wrong.

Everything we do on here is risky, and so when you get screwed over there is not much you can do, unless of course, you have lots of money and an excellent lawyer who knows a lot about the Internet. Then I wish you luck in any type of lawsuit you try to bring against a host (even though I doubt someone who has a lot of money would even care that a host takes their money (heh $20) and won't refund it).

Yeah, that's Davey's M.O.

He screws each of his customers out of their $9.95 or $19.95 a month; they can't cancel their service because he changes his TOS constantly and makes dissatisfied customers jump through impossible hoops, and even once they cancel their credit cards he STILL bills them; I wonder how many of his former customers figure they're just stuck paying him for eternity.

He thinks he's safe because he's in the UK, and you're right; it's damned hard to prosecute for Internet Fraud. Not that people aren't working on it as we speak.

I wonder if he's including the bogus charges he keeps racking up against me (and who knows how many others) month after month as part of his company's "assets."

J.W. St. John-Ryan http://www.periscopeonline.net

Internet fraud, if it has originated from the UK by a company or someone masquarading as a company, falls under the realm of trading standards. If you have a geniune concern with the service you have received by True Hosting, or any UK based company, complain via http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk.

Due to the vast nature of the Internet, they cannot guess who are behaving and who are not. They just need to be told, and they can take appropriate action.

Gosh! Truehosting again.... Look at the threads it gonna keep increasing
:)

gordon, if truehosting is really a fraud, why does the host investigator website still keep the company listed?

im a concerned client of truehosting and dont know how all that stuff on the other post can stay there or even be held as any type of truthful evidence on how their company manages today.

it is so damaging to truehostings image and i dont even think that type of talk is legal. they keep saying that truehosting claims they are frauds and it cant be backed up. their claims of fraud cant be backed up either, email is not even a valid form of evidence because it can be altered. plus you cant prove truehosting even sent out those emails because there are programs that can make it look like it was, but really wasnt.

these people arent even current clients. who can take the word from past clients, from like what they say, were clients 'way back when'. past clients from the start of 2000 when truehosting moved server providers are valid, before that it doesnt mean anything because those old clients are complaining of things that happened on servers and server software that truehosting doesnt even use anymore. if you are complaining about their tech support, i dont believe you because never have truehosting been rude to me or my friends. and it isnt hard to cancel either, i have proof of that if you want.

i dont know how these four or five people can be so mean. they are trying to shut down lots of peoples websites just because they hold a grudge against their past host. grow up please. ive read several complaints about other hosts and no one is trying to get them to go out of business. customer complaints will always be around, but when people try to take it to such extreme limits it is just out of this world. once you guys were aware you couldnt shut them down for their services, you tried to dig up other dirt concerning their taxes and all this other stuff. come on.

all i can think is how greedy you all are. :(
ive heard about how people can really make a hosts life miserable, but you guys take the cake.

anyway, if any of you live in or near san diego i would like to meet and talk to you presonally. i have some friends who are interested in meeting you too. please email me, talula@yoyomail.com

again, if someone reads my post, please dont be compelled to correct my grammer. ive noticed people here like to do that to make people feel stupid.

Cyberscripts, you are wrong when you say "Frankly the US doesn't (at the moment) have laws that would get anyone on the Internet in court or in jail."

It most certainly does. Your knowledge of this is as accurate as your spelling or understanding of words (effected wasn't misspelled, it was just the wrong word to use and is different from affected, the correct word in the context you used). The fact is that many people have found that present laws are applicable and extend to conduct on the Internet. In one case (regarding libel) the court stated that "the Internet is not an alternate reality" and that" real world laws apply".

There might be problems when dealing with companies in other countries, but so long as all parties concerned are in the U.S., many existing laws are quite adequate.

Furthermore, in the absence of a signed contract, tne onus of responsibility falls on the service provider in stating their terms of service clearly and making sure customers saw them prior to accepting the implied contract. This is especially true then the company's actions fall below reasonable levels of service.

As a civil matter, it only takes a preponderance of evidence to win. If a case was against a web host, it could be as simple as printing pages from their web site wher they promise "unlimited traffic" and nowhere is there a link to the TOS.

Any attempt to hide the TOS, as many companies do, would aid in the case against the host.


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> these people arent even current clients. who can take the word from past clients, from like what they say, were clients 'way back when'.

- Ask Davey. According to him, I "still haven't cancelled my contract."

> past clients from the start of 2000 when truehosting moved server providers are valid, before that it doesnt mean anything

- Yes it does, his service or lack thereof is only a fraction of the issues I have with him. He's still running the same scam; it's just going to take people a lot longer to figure out that he's going to rip them off, now.

> because those old clients are complaining of things that happened on servers and server software that truehosting doesnt even use anymore.

- Yeah, well, TH is still using Davey / Peter / whoever. Wish they'd upgraded their personnel and left the damned software.

> if you are complaining about their tech support, i dont believe you because never have truehosting been rude to me or my friends.

- Good for you.

- Why would we lie? How could we all lie? Why would I make up the email exchanges on my site, and how could they be so close in tone and spelling as to what Davey's been posting all along, here?
http://www.periscopeonline.net/truehosting.htm

> and it isnt hard to cancel either, i have proof of that if you want.

- Lemme have it! I'd love to see that someone's actually cancelled without a fight. Post it.

Incidentally, since this started 4 days ago I've received 12 emails from new people who have claimed to have had problems with TH; and 4 of the "old guard" just checking in.

> i dont know how these four or five people can be so mean.

- What I've posted to this board reads like a psalm compared to some exchanges I've had with Davey. Go to my site; besides my TH exchanges there's a debate with David Duke on the Merits of Millennial-American Multiculturalism. But I digress.

> they are trying to shut down lots of peoples websites just because they hold a grudge against their past host.

- No, I'm trying to shut him down so he doesn't do this anymore. I figure I'm doing his clients a favor. Besides, if Davey's such a nice guy, then if he got shut down, he'd just give them their money back, right?

You'll have to forgive me for a moment; there's laughing in my head.

> grow up please.

- No chance.

> ive read several complaints about other hosts and no one is trying to get them to go out of business. customer complaints will always be around, but when people try to take it to such extreme limits it is just out of this world.

- It IS out of this world. It's in Davey World. To get to Davey World, you go to Cambridge, find Avenue Street, hang a left onto Brandon, and keep going until you don't have to pay taxes anymore.

> once you guys were aware you couldnt shut them down for their services, you tried to dig up other dirt concerning their taxes and all this other stuff. come on.

- I am fully convinced I can shut him down. The taxes are just another nail in the coffin, as it's said.

> all i can think is how greedy you all are.

- WHAT??

> ive heard about how people can really make a hosts life miserable, but you guys take the cake.

- He screwed over the wrong people.

> anyway, if any of you live in or near san diego i would like to meet and talk to you presonally. i have some friends who are interested in meeting you too.

- That sounds ominous. What are you, gonna meet me in the parking lot?

> please email me, talula@yoyomail.com

- I'll be playing in Southern California in August. Let's see how the battle's going by then, hmm?


-- J.

Mean? Your the 19 yr old right?
This is nothing compared to what he did to me.. Why is it do you think I spend time getting the word out? Because I have nothing better to do?

Did I fail to mention I am a wife, with a 5 yr old child? I HAVE TONS to do.. But this is important to me as well.. Getting the word out so some one else out there doesn't happen to get hurt is important to me. EXCUSE me for trying to be honest and state facts so people out there don't end up in the same boat I was in...

I have always... ALWAYS from day one of this whole thing, I have stated MAKE YOUR OWN OPINION.. This is what happened to me, this is what happened to those, but make your mind up, and either try it, or don't... It's not like I am holding a gun to everyone's head saying sign up with TH and I will shoot? MEAN???? COME ON!..

Wait tell your in this boat, you have alot of life ahead of you.. Eventually you will have to wake up and smell the coffee... Eventually everyone get's screwed over.. SOMETIME in their lives.. It's possible since your being so defensive he will let you cancel with no problems, and he won't bother you with 1-5 emails a day for 6 months.. Anything is possible...

All I have to say is good luck, and sorry if I was mean and hurt your feelings.. lolol

Originally posted by ?:
im a concerned client of truehosting and dont know how all that stuff on the other post can stay there or even be held as any type of truthful evidence on how their company manages today.

It's somone relating their experience of hosting. Nothing more, nothing less.

it is so damaging to truehostings image and i dont even think that type of talk is legal. they keep saying that truehosting claims they are frauds and it cant be backed up. their claims of fraud cant be backed up either, email is not even a valid form of evidence because it can be altered. plus you cant prove truehosting even sent out those emails because there are programs that can make it look like it was, but really wasnt.

Opinion is protected speech. Evidence of fraud is difficult, but not impossible to provide (just ask Tim Greer about that), especially when it involves false advertising (ibid) or other types of activity (once again, I'll point out that demanding payment for closed or cancelled accounts is fraud).

As far as email being legal: you'd better take some classes on law. Email certainly is valid as evidence (just ask Microsoft). Reasonable people, even were they to disregard the headers, would likely conclude that, based on the writing style, the same individual (in this case, "Davey" or whatever name he's using this week) composed all of the messages. Tell you what: why don't you compare "Davey's" latest salvos in the "True Hosting" thread with the emails from support@truehosting.com at my site or others. Tell me what conclusions you draw.

these people arent even current clients. who can take the word from past clients, from like what they say, were clients 'way back when'. past clients from the start of 2000 when truehosting moved server providers are valid, before that it doesnt mean anything because those old clients are complaining of things that happened on servers and server software that truehosting doesnt even use anymore. if you are complaining about their tech support, i dont believe you because never have truehosting been rude to me or my friends. and it isnt hard to cancel either, i have proof of that if you want.

"Way back when"? And gee, May/June of 99, or Nov 99 was sooo long ago that it might as well be ancient history? Or the folks who got caught up when Colossus kicked TH off their servers? That was all of three months ago.

It certainly HAS been hard to cancel service without weaselboy spamming for payment or telling people that their account is not cancelled even when they've jumped through all the hoops. Try reading (carefully) the email exchanges to find out just how difficult it was/is. There are people who signed up for this so-clled "free trial" who cancelled and then suddenly received invoices. Tell me, how "easy" is that?

i dont know how these four or five people can be so mean. they are trying to shut down lots of peoples websites just because they hold a grudge against their past host. grow up please. ive read several complaints about other hosts and no one is trying to get them to go out of business. customer complaints will always be around, but when people try to take it to such extreme limits it is just out of this world. once you guys were aware you couldnt shut them down for their services, you tried to dig up other dirt concerning their taxes and all this other stuff. come on.

Nobody is trying to shut down "lots of" peoples' websites. Only a disreputable hosting "service" called True Hosting. If you've bothered to read any of the volumes of material out there on this company, you would realize that all of these complaints are a) valid and b) point to repeated lapses of service and problems with TH. If you've bothered to read any of the volumes of material out there on this company, you would realize that to have that many complaints floating around means that there are not "three or four" people, but quite a bit more. Think about this: how many people simply switched hosts in January when TH got the boot from Colossus and didn't bother to find a forum like this? How many people switched before that and didn't bother to voice their experience? Would you prefer to be ripped off by a company with a shady reputation simply because no one spoke up about them? How exactly would you feel when you realized what had happened and that even though other people knew about such activities, no one bothered to post any warnings?

all i can think is how greedy you all are. :(
ive heard about how people can really make a hosts life miserable, but you guys take the cake.

Greedy? What in the world are you talking about? I certainly don't get any monetary gains from posting all that stuff at my site. The traffic, in fact, is getting to the point where I'll have to up my bandwidth, and pony up even more out of my own pocket. I am not interested in making money. I'm interested in making sure this guy doesn't rip off anyone else. Including you.

again, if someone reads my post, please dont be compelled to correct my grammer. ive noticed people here like to do that to make people feel stupid.

No, they do it because proper spelling and grammar make posts easier to read. A post with tons of spelling and grammar errors also indicates to some people that the poster didn't care enough to proof the post before sending. The message is diminished because of it.

i can get you the reciept of the fax if that is proof enough. i will have to get my friend to find it if she still has it and scan it at school on monday. the email she got confirming it isnt proof, if i sent you the email my guess is you would say it isnt real.

about the stuff on your website. it can be easy to forge someones writing style, you could just look at this message board and use that. all the stuff on the websites ive seen arent proof enough for me since it is just typed information that could totally be untrue. im not saying you are lying, but that it takes a lot more for me to believe things written on a website.

i dont know how you would be doing me a favor by getting my site removed and all my files lost. do favors for people who ask for them, not for people who dont know what you are up to and may not agree.

i dont want to meet anyone in a parking lot. if anyone wants to meet with me it will be in a cafe with two of my friends who are girls that i cant even see causing harm to anyone. if you think i was saying a threat, you were wrong. im a pacifist. i wouldnt meet you in a cafe or anywhere because you give me the creeps, and im not saying that because of this board but from what i read at your website.

i agree that davey does say some rude things here also. but under the circumstances of having his business bashed, i understand. i would be pretty angry with people too if it was happening to me.

12 more people? can you send me their emails to confirm this. get their permission first of course, i dont want to make anyone mad at me.

im young and i dont know much about business. if i am wrong and truehosting does pull a scam on me, then i will learn my lesson. if you people shut them down and i loose my site i will learn nothing but what i already feel, and that is this world is full of mean people. my friend had her account canceled easily, so i assume it will be the same for me.

if truehosting is shut down i wont ask for my money back or expect it. i ordered from them fully knowing they dont give refunds, so why would i expect to get one?

i can get you the reciept of the fax if that is proof enough. i will have to get my friend to find it if she still has it and scan it at school on monday. the email she got confirming it isnt proof, if i sent you the email my guess is you would say it isnt real.

- WHOA! When I was at (email) war with TH, his "confirmation" dept didn't email confirmations; they didn't even have an email address. Talk about your quantum leaps in customer service! Davey, I'm impressed!

> about the stuff on your website. it can be easy to forge someones writing style, you could just look at this message board and use that.

- Um, the stuff on our sites existed LONG before this board. Long before we'd met each other.

> all the stuff on the websites ive seen arent proof enough for me since it is just typed information that could totally be untrue. im not saying you are lying, but that it takes a lot more for me to believe things written on a website.

- Best bet is to wait about 2 weeks (apparently the limit of Davey's attention span) and then email him and ask for his cancellation policy.

> i dont know how you would be doing me a favor by getting my site removed and all my files lost. do favors for people who ask for them, not for people who dont know what you are up to and may not agree.

- The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and goodwill shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper.
- Ezekiel 25:17, as misquoted by Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction, but he got the gist of it.

> i dont want to meet anyone in a parking lot.

That was irony, a literary device in which the intended meaning of a statement is the exact opposite of its literal meaning. (I explain this for Davey, not for you, lest he begin accusing me of beating up teenage girls.) I would not meet several 19-year old girls in a parking lot. Well, actually, I would, but it would most likely be after a concert and there would be no ill intentions.

:)

> 12 more people? can you send me their emails to confirm this. get their permission first of course, i dont want to make anyone mad at me.

- Most of they who emailed me wanted to join my humor / commentary list; I wiped their emails and just added their addresses, as my mailbox is usually full, much of it due to Davey. Let me see if I can dig them out, and have them contact you.

For that matter, they may well read here, on this site, that you're looking for them -- they had all read the other thread.

> if truehosting is shut down i wont ask for my money back or expect it. i ordered from them fully knowing they dont give refunds, so why would i expect to get one?

- YO! Yo yo! WHY in the HELL would you do that??

-- J.

hello again. wow, you replied fast to that one. i was reading the other post and when i came back to the main board i saw someone replied.

i didnt know it was irony, i thought you had already labeled me as part of the problem and were being mean to me.

what do you mean by "YO! Yo yo! WHY in the HELL would you do that??"

you mean why i would sign up knowing there are no refunds? well im on a monthly plan, which is $10. i figured if i didnt like the service i would only be out $10

i am young, so im probably wrong. but i hope im not, and will continue to get service from truehosting. ive read a lot of stuff here and feel im more informed now on how to handle the cancel if it goes bad like it did with you.

thank you for the warning. do you have any host you think is good? just in case you do succeed and i need to find a new one. now i have to back up all my sites files too, so i can sleep well knowing they are safe. :)

oh, i mailed alabanza. they havent replied yet, but when they do if you want to know what they said i can mail it to you.

time for dinner, so bye for now.

Unfortunally I haven't sought out a new host.. I would rather not have a web page than worry if it is going to happen to me again... It's a bummer too.. Now that we are moving I won't be able to do what I wanted to with the page I HAD... True hosting was my first, and sorry to say, and not 100% sure, but they could be my last...

Oh well..

My personal site is on Fastwebserver. There have been some problems with the zone transfer of my DNS but I'm of the impression that it's not their fault, my intel shows that it's most likealy a recurring goofup between NSI and TrueHosting.

Fastwebserver's support dept. has been on the ball and extremely courteous. They're $14.95 a month, on Alabanza's servers.

Let me give you an example of why you don't want to just "write off" that ten dollars.

For starters, Davey may be banking on the fact that we'll all just write it off and forget about him.

If he had 20 people a month "writing it off," that's $200 a month (not counting setup fees) he'd get for doing nothing.

Which is not much, when you think about it.

. . . or is it?

You see, he doesn't cancel your account. He sure as hell hasn't cancelled either of mine. He keeps racking up charges, month after month. You saw my cancellation notice, I posted it in the other thread. He still says I owe him money for services since then.

In fact, the recurring complaint I've found has been that even if you stop paying, TrueHosting keeps charging. Pay attention, class; you will see this material again.

Take that $9.95 a month -- one lunch at McD's for you and your sweetie -- and multiply that by the number of accounts he refuses to cancel -- assume 20 a month just for the sake of this example -- times, say, two years he's been in business. Right now that would be 480 times $10; that's five grand a MONTH he'd be charging. Sixty thousand dollars a year; 40,000 pounds, give or take.

No matter what the amount, he's not collecting any of it. But he's charging it nonetheless. Month after month, racking up bills he knows he'll never see paid.

Assume those 480 people tell him to go get potted, as so many doubtless have; they just delete his emails and eventually move their email addresses and forget about him.

That's okay; he never even TRIES to collect it. He just bills it every month.

Why?

Why rack up fake debts and NEVER try to collect?

That one had me scratching my head for weeks.

Well, on his books, that money owed him is in Accounts Receivable; it's an asset, even if he doesn't actually have it. So he can add that fraudulent "owed" money to the value of his business. He can include it with his estimated monthly income when he applies for credit or car loans or a mortgage or whatever; he could leverage against it. It would be enormously stupid, but that doesn't mean I'd put it past him. If he filed taxes, he could take a loss on it as "bad debts." Oh, the friggin' irony.

And I'll tell you what: that extra five grand a month probably looks really sweet should he want to sell his service. He can add that five thousand dollars a month (and growing!) onto his figures for his annual billing.

"We billed (insert inestimable bogus figure here) last year! Here's the books! Look for yourself! Sign here! (No refunds)."

All it would take is some wet-behind-the-ears cyber-geekster with minimal business experience and delusions of grandeur (er, one more, I should say, in deference to Davey) to come along, waving his checkbook. Since Davey's not licensed, who knows what kind of under-the-table deal it would actually be.

Gaahh-hh. Makes my skin crawl.

That's an instance of how "writing off" that $10 a month assists someone like him in doing what he may well be doing. I beseech you: don't do it.

Fight the son of a bitch tooth and nail if he tries to screw you.

DAVEY! I'm not saying you do this; I haven't seen your books. All I said was that you MAY be doing this.

But I can't figure out why else you'd put yourself through the aggravation of charging people with debts not owed to you, and why you never -- NEVER -- back it up with collections. I don't see how else your ludicrous course of action could benefit you.

Two words for anyone who should God Forbid try to buy TrueHosting:

CAVEAT EMPTOR.

-- J.

Good Point Joey, I forgot totally about that. See when the whole "Vector" thing came up.. When supposivly True Hosting was bought by "Vector".. I emailed the "New" guy, who at the time was "Mr. Goodman"... Well the last email I got from him which was over 4 months ago, "Mr. Goodman" said I still owed money, and they would continue to bill me until I "cancel".

This of course after I had canceled with Ibill 6 MONTHS EARLIER!... Now, you see why we are having problems? It's not just the emails he sends non-stop.. It is the fact he STILL thinks we owe, and have accounts.

Granted I have yet to recieve another email, after-all Davey say's I am Annette and by sending me another bill it would be like him knowing damn well who I am.. So maybe that is why I have yet to get another bill who knows..

The point is he won't drop it.. Ibill has stated to me that I owe nothing, that I am totally paid up, and that I will NOT be billed again for this, UNLESS I sign up again. (We all no there is no chance on that)......

Well Ok, I am too tired to think at this point.. Asta peeps see ya tomarrow or monday..

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ?:
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i dont know how these four or five people can be so mean. they are trying to shut down lots of peoples websites just because they hold a grudge against their past host.
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In some cases, these people are owed money for promised services that True Hosting failed to render.

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all i can think is how greedy you all are. :(
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Greedy? How are any of us benefitting from this? If anything, it's costing us (in terms of time, and in some cases money too, I'm sure).


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Originally posted by ?:
about the stuff on your website. it can be easy to forge someones writing style, you could just look at this message board and use that. all the stuff on the websites ive seen arent proof enough for me since it is just typed information that could totally be untrue. im not saying you are lying, but that it takes a lot more for me to believe things written on a website.
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Yeah, but think of this. What reason would Annette possibly have to fake up a huge email conversation? It's not like she's getting money for each person who reads through them (and like she pointed out earlier, the extra bandwidth needed may end up costing her in fact)

And besides, enough damaging things have been posted by True Hosting's one and only employee directly to pulic forums, such as this one, so you don't even have to rely on other people's email logs to see what kind of business he's running.

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if you think i was saying a threat, you were wrong. im a pacifist.[\b][\quote]

Good. Stay that way.

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i would be pretty angry with people too if it was happening to me.[\b][\quote]

It wouldn't be happening at all if he was polite to his customers and ran an honest business. I've read from several people that they would not have even bothered with this crusade if he would have just apologized in the first place for all the troubles that popped up.

[quote][b]if you people shut them down and i loose my site i will learn nothing but what i already feel, and that is this world is full of mean people. [\b][\quote]

Do not forget this no matter what:
When/If True Hosting is shut down, it's the fault of True Hosting, not these angry customers. True Hosting created the angry customers, and they are completely responsible for the consequences. The angry customers may have brought to light unlawful business practices, but its True Hosting who committed them in the first place.

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if truehosting is shut down i wont ask for my money back or expect it. i ordered from them fully knowing they dont give refunds,


That's unfortunate. I'm sure you could have found a similar deal with another host who does treat their customers right. And in some legal cases, refunds may be mandated by the courts regardless of a business' stated terms.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ?:
about the stuff on your website. it can be easy to forge someones writing style, you could just look at this message board and use that. all the stuff on the websites ive seen arent proof enough for me since it is just typed information that could totally be untrue. im not saying you are lying, but that it takes a lot more for me to believe things written on a website.

Tell me, please, what exactly you think I have to gain from faking up a big - no, scratch that - huge collection of email exchanges. You say that anyone could come up with what's on my site just from reading this board, and that may be true, but think about this: if "Davey's" comments on this board are indicative of his level of maturity and "service", why would anyone sign up with him in the first place? All he has demonstrated is his general level of rudeness and a blithe unconcern for his customers. Not exactly the way most businesses go about drumming up clients.

If you need more than what "Davey" himself has posted, both here and on Usenet, or more than the email exchanges available all over the place to convince you that he is not entirely what he claims to be, then you are wearing blinders that no one will be able to remove. It takes a certain mindset to remain willfully ignorant of the facts when staring into the mountain of available information.

Originally posted by who gets effected?:
Well you see what I mean (addressing the other folks from the other truehosting post)?

People getting all upset over something like "I had huge problems trying to get them to transfer my domain to another host."

Why do people think the host has anything to do with your own domain name? Why would the host you are leaving transfer it for you... thats your job!

Then there's the "threatening to take legal action !" Holy cow! You see, everyone just jumps to saying I'm going to sue you. Could you imagine buying something from say Sears or some other department store and expecting them to do every little thing for you and then when they don't, threatening to sue them? They would probably just laugh. What makes hosting any different... why are people so compelled to sue someone for $20 (if it was a month thing of course)? Is this some kind of trend or something? Geezus!

> :(

You really are a moron. You idiot...it is Davey that is the one threatening to sue everyone.

Apparently the one who is on our backs about this isn't in the real world yet. Probably the type of "kid" that doesn't need to worry about a law suit, or their credit rating... You know the type.... The one's that mommy and daddy take care of until they are 25... lolol...

Sorry kid.. We honestly didn't mean to hurt your feelings... 20 dollars isn't much like you said, but True hosting (Davey boy) is the one threatening us... We did not start this. We are just trying to protect others... So I suggest you GET OVER IT!!!!!