Ive been considering going with h-sphere for a recent project, but although it has some obvious advanatages over cpanel as far as features im wondering about its ease of use...

Is it as simple as cpanel or does it require more work to admin.? I like the added features but im unsure if i im willing to give up the ease of use of cpanel.

cPanel is definitely easier. Sign up with a small account and try H-sphere first. You'll see. You can do a lot with H-sphere, but you have to keep in mind the end user as well.

same here CPanel/WHM is the best, although mabye since I havent used h-sphere ....:rolleyes:

So cpanel is easier for both the end user and the admin compared to h-sphere?

Could you give me an idea of the major differences between the two? H-sphere multiple server setup sounds like it might get confusing.. im not wishing to splitup mail, dns,webservers, etc. like it suggests.. I want a server that performs all functions like cpanel, but just the ability to control more than one from the same panel and allow auto setups..

We have used Cpanel in the past, but now we use Hsphere. A much better system. If you have specific questions about it please feel free to email me at chris@radicalv.com

--Chris

Hi. I am interested too. I am getting a fabulous deal on Hsphere. It's almost costless compared to what cpanel is charging. And the host was telling me Hsphere is a lot better.

Please advise in detail how so... it's pros and cons vs Cpanel, and features and ease of use for Customers, Resellers and Admins

Originally posted by silversurfer
Hi. I am interested too. I am getting a fabulous deal on Hsphere. It's almost costless compared to what cpanel is charging. And the host was telling me Hsphere is a lot better.

Please advise in detail how so... it's pros and cons vs Cpanel, and features and ease of use for Customers, Resellers and Admins



H-Sphere Pro's compared to Cpanel:
Built in billing system
Built in trouble ticketing system
Built in multiple server managment system
Built in automatic domain registration system
Built in automation sign-up forms
Built in automatic invoicing, messaging, etc.
Windows support as well as freebsd/linux

AND the biggest benefit is that all the features are also available to your resellers, ex. your resellers have the same automatic billing, ticketing, signup,domain registration, payment solutions as the admin does so they can easily admin there clients,etc.

And more, but thats the major stuff...

WHM/Cpanel advantages:
-Very well known and mostly liked
-End User ease of use
-Multiple Skins with better look
-Integrates with almost every software out there(but with hsphere you dont need to integrate with much because it already has it, ex. automatic signups you need a 3rd party solution for in cpanel where as hsphere does it already)
-Been out along time and likely to come out with some very impressive features
-Stable, financially anyway.. i dont see cpanel going anywhere for a very very very long time.. so its most likely going to continue growing,etc.


Hope this helps...

H-sphere just simply scales.. :)..

Qmails instead of sendmail..

most of the features listed above hit it right on the nail.. other then that look at cost.. $50 / month +, and apparently bad support from what I HEAR (dont shoot me on this one).. Psoft has good support, in terms of response times.. they have their moments (I'm sure vortech will let you know if he pops in :D).. but overall they are a great company.

I guess reading all these.. more people should be asking for Hsphere ;) and not just join the crowd with cpanel

try them both, and keep your target audience in mind. then compare features/benefits of both. then look at cost.

you'll be able to decide then.

Originally posted by skelley1
try them both, and keep your target audience in mind. then compare features/benefits of both. then look at cost.

you'll be able to decide then.


This couldnt be more true, about the target audience, your customer base should descide ultimately which panel you go with. Since the projects we are working on are based around resellers and automated private label solutions h-sphere wins hands down in allowing them the ultimate flexibility and control of there own hosting space/transfer/domains/etc..

If however you where planning on mainly marketing to small virtual host customers h-sphere would be pointless in the since you would not be utilizing many of the features and the in depth panel might just be unattractive to them, so cpanel might be your best descision..

This is two very vague examples, but you get the idea.

Cpanel is nice, but IMHO they have just become too relaxed and they are going to fall behind if they dont get on the move.. there is no reason what so ever for WHM/Cpanel not already being far surpassed what h-sphere is today.. They bring in from 32-60 per license per server per month? IF they dont have the capital to grow something is definately wrong considering the number of licenses they have in the market. They should definately have been further then they are, but then again every company has there strategies..

H-Sphere may have jumped into the market ahead in features, but they are still far behind in customer base which means they are brining in less revenue from licenses for future growth(having one-time fee's dont help, even though the one-time fee's are based on users and constantly bring in more money).


Where Cpanel started small to minimize risk and have grown and grown as capital permitted, they now have a huge customer base and tons of profit pouring in every month that should allow them to out beat these newly found panels, IF they get on the move before they become too popular and too recognized for there advantages over cpanel..

and of course all statements about there income and profits are clearly based on opinion and a vague observation on my part, no one really knows the companies standings except the companies, but it appears the above should be the case.

[EDIT/Added to post]
Im wondering at this point if the reasons WHM/Cpanel has not added certain features is due to the effect it may have on the many 3rd party softwares out there that have worked with cpanel to create these features through there add-on products. Could cpanel have agreements with them that are holding them back maybe??

I used HSphere as a reseller and CPanel/WHM on my own server. Cpanel was a dream for me compared to HSphere. HSPhere was so difficult to use and was flaky (although that could have been the implementation/configuration of it at Vortech, Inc). Cpanel just works, effortlessly... I used to admin everything from the command prompt in linux and install/configure all my own rpms... but since I started using WHM, I have rarely needed to go to the OS level. When I need to (to configure a new way of doing something, write some scripts or whatever) it is always easy to do because CPanel seems to be set up in a very sensible manner. That is my admittedly not-based-on-a-LOT-of-evidence opinion.

Greetings:

We've received only praise from our end users of H-Sphere.

Some time in the near future, 2.4 will go to beta, then production; that version will allow providers to extend the control panel beyond its current abilities.

The system is very XML driven.

Over a year ago, we evaluated a number of “just a control panel” systems including Cpanel, Ensim, and others.

We found H-Sphere to be more than “just a control panel!”

For over a year now, it has been providing us with complete shared hosting automation from customer provisioning to recurring billing to a support ticket system, and more.

While it does have a steeper learning curve on the front end (i.e. you must plan first, then implement with little to no “winging it.”), it makes up for it with the automation on the back end.

Thank you.

Can't a person get this automation as an addon to Cpanel and then have the best of both worlds (automation/ease of use)?

Well you could for expample use cpanel with modernbill to have many of the similar features... but like said before... you can't beat the fact that h-sphere allows you to pass all those feature to your resellers. with the cpanel / modern bill option you would have to sell your clients a modernbill licence as well.

If you are starting from scratch and you are targeting resellers I would go with H-sphere. Personally we use the later because we were reselling on servers with a proprietory cp when we needed a billing program. At which point we got mb. So I'm not migrating my clients at this point.

It's all about your current situation... They are both good programs.

Jesse J

I run H-Sphere currently, but am switching to cPanel. I like the fact that cPanel is just a control panel. I think as a control panel it's *a lot* better. But, H-Sphere is a good system too.

The fact that H-Sphere has built in billing and support systems are both an advantage and a disadvantage. Advantage being it's already integrated, setup and ready to go. Disadvantage is that you are stuck with their way of doing things. You may think it could be better, but you're stuck with it. With cPanel, you can choose many different billing systems instead. And Modern Bill vs. H-Sphere's billing system? MB wins hands down.

I really like H-Sphere's support system, I'll miss it. But I'm sure there's something as good or better I can buy for cPanel.

H-Sphere and cPanel are real close as for what it will allow the user to control, but cPanel is much easier for the end user, it's just simple and everything is organized better.

For migrations, cPanel is easier because it automates the process of migrating from one cPanel server to another. (Or some other products like Ensim and Alabanza can be migrated to cPanel easily.)

As for scalability, H-Sphere has a one up there, but cPanel is testing clustering ability now.

I think H-Sphere has bit into a really big bite, and it's going to take them a long time to chew. It's a great idea (having all the systems in one software), but it slows them down for releasing new features that are desperately needed.

Thanks,

Neofree

Originally posted by Mythril
same here CPanel/WHM is the best, although mabye since I havent used h-sphere ....:rolleyes: Perhaps you should not have posted in this thread then...

HSphere is a much more stable cP than Cpanel, however because i have used cPanel a lot more i would prefer it.

Regards,
Thomas Currie

I hate to say this, but you simply CAN NOT compare these two products in any way. Cpanel is exactly that, a control panel for a single server.

Hsphere is simply, so well designed its that everything pale in comparison. Its like dynamicnet pointed out based on standards, java, xml and such. Soon to be released there are xml-rpc/soap interfaces to communicate with it.

You can customize EVERYTHING, you will with the new release be able to pre package software for hsphere in a standard manner. While this may not matter to the "script kiddie" with 1 server its very nice for the largish hosting companies that have dedicated programmers to expand their products.

Saying hsphere is just a control panel is like saying Microsoft Word is just a text editor.

You can customize EVERYTHING, you will with the new release be able to pre package software for hsphere in a standard manner. While this may not matter to the "script kiddie" with 1 server its very nice for the largish hosting companies that have dedicated programmers to expand their products.

Perhaps if you want to spend all your time coding, perhaps if you have a full time programmer just to customize the system. That would be OK then. Otherwise sys admin work alone is enough to make a full time job with any panel. Perhaps some big hosts will be interested in the all-in-one solution, but I guarantee you not all of them are going to flock one direction or another. I'll say it again, H-Sphere is a good system. But if you want the freedom to pick and choose your options, there have been better choices long before the "possible 2.4" release.

I've been following H-Sphere for over 2 years now, and I can tell you that they have made a lot more promises then they can handle. While this is *perfectly understandable* in computer programming, it just means you have to wait longer for other features to get implemented. Like backup scripts, spam filters, system monitoring and alerting, easy/modular service compilation, automated updates (not neccasarily pre-scheduled), and other features that cPanel has today.

I am offended to be called a script kiddie. People have right to opinion. I think both are good products. I think that both will do well. And I don't think it's any less professional to use cPanel then H-Sphere.

Saying hsphere is just a control panel is like saying Microsoft Word is just a text editor.

OK I just have to say that is pretty funny. :) I know *I* never implied that H-Sphere was just a panel. I just think cPanel is a better panel then the portion of H-Sphere that is a control panel.

Thanks,

Neofree

neofree, it wasnt directed at you :) I was just saying to the general public that hsphere is a more complete solution.

And, is a dream for larger hosts.

Something else to consider is not just that H Sphere has billing integrated but how it actually does all the billing...

You can automatically bill for overages in storage, bandwidth, databases and even down to cgi resources. You can have auto account creation AND suspension. Customers can upgrade their account without ever having to contact the host, add IPs, etc.

There is not any other solution available for hosts today that offers that kind of integration. Yes, you could get cpanel and modernbill. And yes, you could have auto account creation...you could not have auto billing for a customer that goes over their bandwidth for the month though. Customers can not upgrade their own accounts or purchase additional resources automatically.

The biggest advantage to H Sphere is that you can offer your resellers all the same functionality! So instead of competing directly and only on price you can compete directly on features vs. price. This is a huge advantage.

Those are good points, however, I think MB does auto suspension now. It all depends on what API commands are made available for the billing software. Modern Bill 4.1 was just released and has quite a few of these features now.

Also, another noticable thing is that many things like switching plans or adding resources, the customer often contacts me asking how to do it anyway, like they assume that they can't do it. So it's almost a mute point.

One major disadvantage of H-Sphere's billing system is that it's not easy to bill for dedicated server or other services that are not controlled by H-Sphere. Sure you can give them an e-mail only account, but you are technically giving them more then they asked for. Also their signup screens have needed serious work for a long time now.

Everyday, I thought you were pro cPanel a few months back. Must of been reconvinced on H-Sphere again. :)

Thanks,

Neofree

Always been pro h sphere. Cpanel is good and has its place but if you want turnkey with total ease, go h sphere.

I read in another thread that, as a reseller - you need to pay a license for every client you setup for H-sphere, but for CPanel you do not. Is this true?

It is. cPanel is per server. H-Sphere is per account.

With cPanel available as low as $9.95/month with a dedicated server from multiple vendors, you tell me which is cheaper. :)

I read in another thread that, as a reseller - you need to pay a license for every client you setup for H-sphere, but for CPanel you do not. Is this true?

Actually that is true. The difference is that with h sphere you own the licenses, with cpanel you don't.

Given the fact that H Sphere is a control panel, billing system, support ticket system, dns manager and supports multiple operating systems it is well worth it.

Greetings:

1. H-Sphere licenses recycle. If the account is deleted, the license is now available for general use.

2. $4.50 at retail per license compared to $9.95 per month... hmm... you tell me which is less expensive ;-)

Thank you.

Originally posted by dynamicnet
Greetings:

1. H-Sphere licenses recycle. If the account is deleted, the license is now available for general use.

2. $4.50 at retail per license compared to $9.95 per month... hmm... you tell me which is less expensive ;-)

Thank you. Hard to say which is less expensive, although I really don't think either has pricing that would make you choose one way or the other. As to attempting to compare price:

Let's take three examples-servers with 50, 100, or 200 domains-using CPanel pricing from $9.95 to $30 per month).

At 50,
CPanel costs $119.40 - $360.00 per year, each and every year.
HSphere costs $225.00 for the first year and $45.00 each future year.

At 100,
CPanel costs $119.40 - $360.00 per year each and every year.
HSphere costs $450.00 the first year and $90 each future year.

At 200,
CPanel costs $119.40 - $360.00 per year, each and every year.
HSphere costs $900.00 the first year and $180 each future year.

Not to mention that managed cPanel servers are a lot cheaper then managed H-Sphere servers. H-Sphere has it's place, but I think there is a reason why cPanel is more popular.

neofree: Yes, the reason is simply there are less larger hosts than smaller hosts. Smaller hosts can understandably prefer CPanel. While larger hosts will love hsphere's advanced capabilities.

Greetings Incognito:

Thank you for correcting my math.

Of note, the 20% maintenance fee is optional.

You can still download the patches and updates, and install them yourself with the easy to follow instructions.

Furthermore, H-Sphere provides complete shared hosting automation where cpanel can only compete through add on's that are stiched together.

Thank you.

Again...I can't see why anyone would select either over the other based on price. I would think one would just choose the one that they believed fit their needs best. Also, fits their comfort level. Thats a bit of my situation. My staff has a total of over 50 years experience with WHM/CPanel and very little with HSphere-none in an active mode, only in testing.

Also to be fair...with the cost of cpanel you should add in a billing system and a support desk.

If you wanted to get real technical about it you should also add in what the cost of being able to add a windows server, clustering ability and seperate dns servers.

Yes, cpanel has a great feature set and is very popular. The same can be said for cpanel. They both have their place in the market as well as their targeted demographic.

Well, I think cPanel is definately best for smaller or first time hosts. I think it has it's place in large hosting environments as well. It runs very well inside of VPS's and is very easy to maintain and keep up to date.

H-Sphere is a powerful system, but I just think they're neglecting things that are more important, such as spam, backups, easier upgrades and other things I've already mentioned. And again, having something built in does not make it better. H-Sphere's billing system is OK, and it's good that it bills everything that's in H-Sphere. But it still has sloppy signup scripts and it still can't bill other items such as dedicated servers or VPS's properly. It doesn't have other features such as coupons that Modern Bill has.

Back in the days of BBS systems, if anyone here is familiar, there were BBS programs that had FidoNet mailers, download protocols and what not all built into one program. And they never had as many features as if you built your system from multiple vendors. And it was the consensus back then that the flexible, best way to go was to use different software for different parts of the system, as it allowed for each module in particular to be better because each group could focus only on that module they worked on. They didnt have to spend so much time just making their software catch up with all the other products that already existed.

Positive Software has finally made their system pretty stable, but they only did that because they hardly release any new features now, only minor ones here and there. They still need to do a lot of work, and wether or not they catch up is irrelivant, because they'll just be behind on something else. It's just not logical to have one company write ALL your software. I guess Microsoft would like you to think that way, but the real world has proven otherwise.

Thanks,

Neofree

PSoft does have many new features in every new version, such as VPS in 2.3.1.

New release is not as fast as CPanel, but half year for a new version is not slow.

Greetings:

We are heading towards our second year of using H-Sphere.

It has been stable since day one for us.

Upgrades are a piece of cake with step-by-step instructions provided by Positive Software; and most upgrades are completed in five minutes or less.

The forum at http://forum.psoft.net/ has a number of very friendly, helpful people who are willing to donate their time and share their experiences.

We enjoy the cost savings and time savings it provides.

Thank you.

I've also found the updates easy to install. The only problems we have had, were initially we had a number of mail problems, but it only took an email to Psoft, and they logged in and took care of it. Since then, we really havn't had anything else happen too terrible, which is more than I can say for Plesk, which you upgrade, and half of the services break, but that's another story...

It's not always best to have a control panel that just keeps coming out with new features, I'd much prefer what features it has to be stable. As for the SPAM, members of the community have found ways of making SpamAssassin work, and as long as there are such options, it makes HSphere work quite nicely.

Richard

CPanel has become to big, they have one developer, who for obvious reasons cannot keep up with everything.

One developer for Cpanel?? Thats weird seems they should and could have more..

I dont see much on PSoft website on skins, am i overlooking it maybe??

There 3 default skins that comes with H-Sphere. And you can find more in http://www.hspheretemplates.com/

Neofree - Look again, HSphere has discount codes that users can enter upon signup.

As for the billing system, it used to be a bit dodgy, but now, it's far more reliable than ModernBill - We have both, and I know which I prefer, and it doesn't start with an M.

Updates - Are incredibly easy to install, what most people complain about with updates is that it doesn't hand hold like CPanel does and patch your OS for you - which isn't a job of a control panel IMHO.

Features and stability - Hardly released any new features? Wehre have you been looking? There have been many new features added over the previous year and it's still incredibly stable.

As for one piece of software for everything - you've kind of nullified that argument with CPanel itself because CPanel does so much hand holding that a sysadmin should be doing it's unreal. All HSphere does is ties together various apps. it doesn't try and replace an experienced sysadmin.

Don't get me wrong, I like CPanel, we've got 1000s of domains hosted on each. CPanel has it's place, in single server setups, it's just not designed to be scalable.

Hsphere is a nightmare for resellers.
You get plenty of links in the cp that transmit a user's cp's password in clear.
You don't get a 100% translated cp even tough it's advertised as being available in several languages.
Psoft often breaks things with updates and it can take a long time to fix.
The billing system is not as flexible as MB. You can get tons of errors and cannot correct them.

ultrafex,

most of the things you have mentioned are way in the past.

When was the last time you used h sphere? and what version was your host using?

I'm using it now. Latest version. Not really a thing of the past.

well not knowing who the parent host is and how they operate, but...

our system is rock stable through the last dozen upgrades/patches.

We have built some docs to help our resellers understand all the billing information and how to setup plans. I can't remember the last time we had a reseller complain about the billing system since we issued the docs about a year ago.

I have heard some of the issues with translation but they are usually pretty minimal.

as far as the clear text thing, we've encrypted some of our system so that is not an issue with us.

sorry to hear you are having issues with h sphere. How long have you been using it?

I have been using it for over a year.
For me when a user cannot understand an error message because it wasn't translated or when he sees stuff like this {0} in his message, and when you've reported the problems numerous time, then the cp software is pretty bad and will give a bad image of the service I'm offering.

The problem with security is that a user cannot install a SSL cert on every server. Which means that when a user needs to use the webmail, the filemanager ot phpmyadmin, the passwords are sent in clear text (if you have those services on different servers).
Nothing you can really do about this.

And don't forget that user have no control over the spam filters if you install one.

About the billing, it's not that I don't understand them. I know how it works, but I don't like it and neither do my users. Try to hide it, you have to disable it and then you don't have moderation anymore and you can't set much when you define your plans, you have to set hard limits everywhere.

Being stuck with H-Sphere's billing system and not having features like spam, backups, monitoring, etc was exactly why I left H-Sphere. It's just not a good idea to get your entire system from one vendor, because then you're stuck with their way of doing things for everything.

I will agree about the error messages. We've asked them to make that better.

As far as the security goes, it sounds like your host needs to install certs on the servers so you can do things securely.

The spam filter we use is a tag only system so you still get all the messages. We have customers setup a filter on their email client and move the tagged messages to a spam folder, it works very well that way.

I will agree that the billing is somewhat cumbersome. At the same time, there is nothing on the market today that gives you the ability to bill for resources and extras the way h sphere does.

If my host installs their certs, then the browser will complain because the url won't match, unless you mean that the hosts needs to manually install the certs for every reseller, on every server. Huge task...

The problem with tags, is that outgoing emails are tagged as well. Not something everybody needs.

I find WHM to be much more flexible, but I've heard so many horror stories. No cp is perfect, but I just wanted to add my 2 cents about Hsphere.

Originally posted by ultrafex
If my host installs their certs, then the browser will complain because the url won't match, unless you mean that the hosts needs to manually install the certs for every reseller, on every server. Huge task...

The problem with tags, is that outgoing emails are tagged as well. Not something everybody needs.

I find WHM to be much more flexible, but I've heard so many horror stories. No cp is perfect, but I just wanted to add my 2 cents about Hsphere.

Firstly...HUH?!

Since when does a host have to install each cert? simply generate the CSR, then boom, done in 20 seconds. The only thing a host needs to do is restart apache, which H-Sphere has an inbuilt requester for, hence, any half decent host will have it rebooted in no time at all.

With regards to mail tags, these are VERY easily clouded, so i can't see the problem, both incoming and outgoing can be clouded with the utmost of ease.

The billing system, when used correctly is an absolute dream, it makes WHM, combined with ModernBill look puny.

I always find that any host that bitches about H-Sphere, has only themselves to blame, for not using the technology correctly. This does actually go with most CP's aswell, but especially H-Sphere.

When i look at the pro's and con's of h-sphere, listed in this thread, the con's do make me chuckle quite a lot, as they are rookie mistakes interpreted as a software bug.


Originally posted by ultrafex
Hsphere is a nightmare for resellers.
You get plenty of links in the cp that transmit a user's cp's password in clear.
Care to give an instance? menu-sub menu will suffice. If there's plenty, it will only take you a second to post.

I think you did not really read my posts. I already gave you some examples of problematic links and I'm talking about a cert being installed on every server, not on the www one.

One of the feature of Hsphere is to nicely distribute services on different servers.

An example with 4 servers:
-cp.domain
-freebsd.domain, that would be the www server
-mysql.domain
-mail.domain

Now...You're securely logged in the cp as a user, you click on the webshell icon, what do you get...A nice warning about leaving the secure zone and your ftp,shell password will be sent in clear. Same problem with many apps.

So unless Psoft adds a feature to let reseller add their cert on every server, we're doomed.

What do you mean by clouded? Besides, the host has total control on this, not the reseller...

At least with MB, you can decide when you want to start to charge for hosting, you just have more control. And the way Psoft deals with billing for resellers is laughable, you'll find examples in the Psoft forum.

Originally posted by ultrafex
I think you did not really read my posts. I already gave you some examples of problematic links and I'm talking about a cert being installed on every server, not on the www one.

One of the feature of Hsphere is to nicely distribute services on different servers.

An example with 4 servers:
-cp.domain
-freebsd.domain, that would be the www server
-mysql.domain
-mail.domain

Now...You're securely logged in the cp as a user, you click on the webshell icon, what do you get...A nice warning about leaving the secure zone and your ftp,shell password will be sent in clear. Same problem with many apps.

So unless Psoft adds a feature to let reseller add their cert on every server, we're doomed.

What do you mean by clouded? Besides, the host has total control on this, not the reseller...

At least with MB, you can decide when you want to start to charge for hosting, you just have more control. And the way Psoft deals with billing for resellers is laughable, you'll find examples in the Psoft forum.

Webshell is a whole lot different than what you said. Of course, webshell is pretty much just an online FTP client, to use instead of, let's say ws_ftp. If you don't like the function, simply disable it (http://www.hspheretemplates.com/free.php)

What you actually said was that it leaves passwords in "the clear", when even using webshell, it does not, as it uses genuine htaccess, with the data pulled from the Postgre SQL db. I cannot see rhyme, nor reason to you stating that it is a security risk (leaving passwords in the clear). Talking of doom and gloom is ridiculous, get your host to lock down their cluster properly, it really is that simple.

With regards to "when you want to start charging for hosting".. Hit "date" in the search function, next to the account listing, and set the date you wish that billing period to start, it's as simple as that.

By clouded, i mean just that. If your host has loopholes in their H-Sphere system, that's not the softwares fault. It's their fault.

Originally posted by IHSL
[B]Webshell is a whole lot different than what you said. Of course, webshell is pretty much just an online FTP client, to use instead of, let's say ws_ftp. If you don't like the function, simply disable it (http://www.hspheretemplates.com/free.php)
Again...I cannot do that as a reseller. We have no control whatsoever on the cp.

What you actually said was that it leaves passwords in "the clear", when even using webshell, it does not, as it uses genuine htaccess, with the data pulled from the Postgre SQL db.
Either we have a very different setup, or you never really looked at how it works.
After you've clicked on the icon, you're redirected to the freebsd.domain server over an unsecure link, even if your cp is secured. If you look at the URL, you'll notice that it reads http://username:password@freebsd.domain. A nice way of transmitting your password in clear text.
If you have a server for webmail, it's the same problem, you'll be transmitting your account's password in clear text.


With regards to "when you want to start charging for hosting".. Hit "date" in the search function, next to the account listing, and set the date you wish that billing period to start, it's as simple as that.
I was talking about period translation.

And I've just tested your setup. Just as unsecure as the rest :
https://web2.interactive-hosting.net

No SSL available.

Originally posted by ultrafex
Again...I cannot do that as a reseller. We have no control whatsoever on the cp.


Either we have a very different setup, or you never really looked at how it works.
After you've clicked on the icon, you're redirected to the freebsd.domain server over an unsecure link, even if your cp is secured. If you look at the URL, you'll notice that it reads http://username:password@freebsd.domain. A nice way of transmitting your password in clear text.
If you have a server for webmail, it's the same problem, you'll be transmitting your account's password in clear text.
I was talking about period translation.

We stick to RH and windows, as none of our resellers ever requested freebsd, so that seems to be a freebsd only thing i guess..

The windows, and Unix webshell redirect blank's out the password with *'s, then comes back in on the index 2 and 3.

What version of H-Sphere is your provider running, as the webshell issue is reportedly fixed on every platform, so you shouldn't even have this issue with FreeBSD

2.3.1.384.20031210

You'll see what I mean in the attached screenshot

Are you sure, it's not just Opera that adds the xxxx? Please try with Mozilla to make sure.

Well, i'm not going to install mozilla just to make sure. But i do know that opera wouldn't add it solely, as it would have to have a lead-off to do it that way, of course. And if that lead off is in place, then i can guarantee it wasn't an "opera only" option

One of the major drawbacks of hsphere is the fact that you cannot customize the way that it appears easily. I believe that right now it is "clunky" and not aesthetically pleasing. There are companies like hspheretemplates that will have some solutions to this, but the way hsphere handles templates globally is a little cumbersone.

Another major issue for my company with hsphere is that migration of customers is nearly impossible. It is a MAJOR headache. Really, just a total pain that makes it almost not even worth doing.

Aside from these issues, psoft has a gem on their hands, and it won't be long until they are leaders in the market. There will be no reason to go with cpanel, ensim, or plesk.

It appears that with the appearance of the h sphere 2.4 beta we should begin to see some great new templates and an easy way to implement them.