Anyone have any experience with cogentco.com ? Their prices are very apealing, but it sounds to good to be true. Do they have good peering or anything? Its temping for the prices they offer. Any information would be greatful. I am looking at them for the OrangeCounty/Los Angeles area.

Thanks.

I would do a search for them on the forum... there was a discussion about them earlier....

All they are doing is reselling for the big guys the problem is is that their network is not completly built out and they still dont have the speed they need because their still trying to peer with other providers. If your wanting to start a noc or something like that, you wouldnt want to use them their a brand new company and could go out of business at any time in todays economy. If your business relys on your providers build it around known industry leaders like uunet or sprint.

Otherwise they would be a great pick... and im keeping my eyes on them, we may throw them into our new noc just to see how they are, but I wont role out any production servers on them...

They are not a reseller by any means. They have there own network, and have baught and partnered with several companies in regards to Dark Fiber.

There network is going through one peering point in DC.

Its rather slow, and offers nothing right now for a hosting company other then down time.

Also Cogent doesnt run fiber into buildings. You have to be in one of there lit buildings or a neutral fiber facility like Colo.com to even use them.


Here is a live IP:

66.28.12.1

Joe

Jbizz that is untrue, ive talked in depth with them and have also talked with their providers IE uunet etc..

They take the closest fiber provider in the area and try to work a partnership with that company for cheap access of their already existing fiber. If they cant come to a arrangement you dont get service in your building.

Now they may be laying some dark fiber here and there, I dont know. But I do know most of their network runs on others fiber...

And yes they do resell bandwidth through major tier 1's such as uunet.

Anyone starting a new noc, or large hosting company off of yipes or cogent, is asking for trouble, these companys are too new to be considered a stable solution. If your looking for stability go with some place like uunet, quest, etc if your looking for value yipes might be a path to go. As far as cogent they still have a lot of buiding out to do.

Considering that there first lit building was here in chicago, I dont agree with you at all.

If you read there news you will find that there laying there own fiber into neutral fiber facilities and not UUNet or someone elses.

http://www.cogentco.com/News/news_press.html

I disagree with just about everything you said.

We also have talked to there senior engineer, the first Lurie Building, which was the first lit building, and have also checked out there facility. They are NOT doing what you said....

They have leasing agreements with williams. They also use obtical fiber and have peering agreements with other companies, as anyone would have, but they have there own obtical network, and are no means a Reseller.

Ill call give you the phone number of the Engineer we spoke with and you ask if there a reseller, they will laugh at you. They have peering agreements with uunet, but do not resell there bandwith.

In regards to Yipes, Yipes has one of the best networks in the coutry, considering that we are currently in the process of going on it, are stats are amazing. There SLA's are great and performance are second to none. We are currently getting a 40ms Roundtrip from Chicago to our server in PA and no Packet loss. Thats amazing.

In regards to Cogent the one thing I do agree with is that there network is not built out, running a hosting company off theres is bad.

Running it off Yipes is great.

In regards to stability Yipes is up there with the big players. For older companies C&W blows away UUnet and Qwest.

Nothing against your company, but Ill show you my Yipes stats compared to yours, and you will be quite impressed.
Joe

Tell you what, why dont those in doubt go to Cisco's website, and seach for the word Cogent. They invested over $300 mill into Cogent for they laying of all of Cogent's fiber. Considering Cisco's involvement should show Cogent is not a reseller, and that it will be a great network when completed.

I agree with you Webdude

If their using other peoples fiber that would be considered reselling would it not, and I never said anywhere that they were running fiber into uunets facility. I can say for sure that most of their network is not on their own dark fiber but utilizing others fiber.
IVE talked to some of the vendors and talked to their top guy in sales. SO I know what im talking about.

Perhaps were trying to say the same things jbizz were just saying them differently as you yourself agreed they were using fiber from other sources, maybe reseller is not the turm I should use, but that what I consider it to be. When you use someone elses resources and then sell those resources to your customer, I believe that means reselling.

Originally posted by JBIZ718

Nothing against your company, but Ill show you my Yipes stats compared to yours, and you will be quite impressed.


Its real easy to have a good response when there is no one on your backbone. I'd rather wait to see how their infrastructure holds up when they have some customers.

The reason I disagree with that statement is because they dont resell they have peering agreements.

UUnet has peering agreements with serveral companies and anyone who has a backbone has these peering agreements, but that doesnt mean there resellers.

Uuallan I will forward the stats when we transfer everything over.


Joe

I didnt say they resold the inet access portion I said they resold the fiber, please dont put words into my mouth. I said they resell the fiber infrustructure of other BECAUSE they dont have fiber running all over the world, I never said anything about UUNET or peering arangements, peering has nothing to do with reselling fiber.

uulann, yea the problem is is that they only can get so much bandwidth, and they have to pay bandwidth pricing just like us sure the oc12 they buy from uunet might be a little cheaper but its still going to be expensive, for them to even break even they have to fill their networks to capacity, thats going to mean in the future their networks are going to get real slow, if they want to make a profit.

Right now cogent and yipes are operating anywhere close to profit and it will be many years before they are, and with todays sagging economy, it would be stupid to put your customers future on iffy new companys.

More than likely what will happen is that they will get bought up by the big boys because they arent going to be able to make a profit and still maintain high network standards.

In fact I already talked to the big guy in charge of sales at uunet and theres rumors flying around that they might buy yipes. Def. not anything in the plans just rumors.

SO I would say for now run with the big dogs :)

I do hope yipes and cogent do great, as it would mean super good prices for us for bandwidth, but I wouldnt even touch them until theyve been in business for quite a while.

Yipes is not a public company, so there financial situation is unknown.

I just dont know if you make this information up in your head or what.

Yipes is not looking to get baught out, maybe it would be wise to talk instead of with UUnet about buying Yipes, just call Yipes.

That would make sense.

And because Cogent doesnt have fiber all of the world doesnt mean there reselling fiber, what it means is to get on someone elses fiber they need to get better peering arangements. Maybe you need to learn how the internet works. The internet is based on Peering considering that the big companies own most of the fiber anyway.

Reselling some elses fiber would mean there selling UUnets T-1 lines. That would be reselling. I dont think there doing that. What there doing is Peering with other companies to give them more points.

I just think you dont know what your talking about.

I would say look into Yipes, they are awesome, and if you go with a big player, check out Cable and Wireless.

Joe

::but I wouldnt even touch them until theyve been in business for quite a while.

Hmmm, by then it will be too late and their prices will be much higher.....think of it as a new stock market on the web. How much money can you make on tech stocks now versus back when they were new and unproven?

You see, you mention the big boys. Cogent is Cisco's newest baby, and Cisco is definitly NOT a small company. All the other big boys rely on Cisco equipment and Cisco is a 50 billion dollar company. I would go with any company that has guranteed backing from Cisco.

Originally posted by JBIZ718

Uuallan I will forward the stats when we transfer everything over.


Thanks Joe, it will be interesting to see them. But again, its easy to have great response when you have no customers :). I'd be more interested in the response in 3 years, when they start filling up their backbone.

Originally posted by Webdude

You see, you mention the big boys. Cogent is Cisco's newest baby, and Cisco is definitly NOT a small company. All the other big boys rely on Cisco equipment and Cisco is a 50 billion dollar company. I would go with any company that has guranteed backing from Cisco.

Sure...but Cisco also made huge investments in Winstar, their last "baby", look what happened:

http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/stories/news/0,4164,2710651,00.html

Even smart companies like Cisco can make mistakes.

THe point is that any new company is risky, look at the millions and billions of dollars that vernture capital firms poured into internet related business's and look at how many went out of business.

Cisco being a backer is comp. irrelavant in my eyes.

I do hope they do good, cheap bandwidth I love :)

But at this time if I had to pick between cogent and yipes, I owuld go with yipes

What is the pricing for yipes?

What kind of bandwith are you looking at.

In our soon to be colo facility its 3k for 10mbps.

Joe

JBIZ718

What is your contact info, I have a few ??? about yipes if you don't mind.

PM me and Ill give you my contact info.

Joe