Really I don't get the fifty dollar template. Heck, I've even seen the seven dollar template. I just don't understand, who are these people that have taken the great adventure to start up their own business only to do it with a fifty dollar budget?

Think about it. You're starting a business...a business!!!
Hopefully you intend to be successful, I don't think anyone starts a business with the idea that it won't be successful-- and yet all you are willing to muster up for your business is a 50 dollar template that someone with adequate Photoshop skills threw together.

Any business on the internet is going to be VERY competitive. We live in an era where someone can research your company and 5 others in a matter of 10 minutes. How are you going to stand out from those other 5 companies? With a 50 dollar template...

Maybe I'm wrong. It wouldn't be the first time, nor the last.
but when you are ready to take your company to the next level head on over to www.plasmapages.com

regards,
G~

Interesting post!

AMEN!!!

lmao! :D

tru dat. Wonderfull site :)

Great site and good point, BTW how did you get copy right clereance form Pink Floyd?

Have you noticed IBMs website design ? Nothing much to notice except it is IBM

IBM is one of the most well branded companies in the world. R U

You can cut some good promos! You sure you're not in the wrong business? :D

Originally posted by Monte
BTW how did you get copy right clereance form Pink Floyd?

Good question....

Originally posted by Golgotha
but when you are ready to take your company to the next level head on over to www.plasmapages.com

regards,
G~


I have to say you do OUTSTANDING work! I love it! :blush:

That's a nice site ;)

Yeah, build it and they will come right?

Its not always about how your site looks, well it is but you don't have to spend **** loads to get customers.

I know people who have started up with $30K and they are no more now.

I started with $2K and now my business produces $3K per month and I don't have a fancy site.

That same company who started with 30K also wanted me to join them, they also wanted to get big office space etc etc etc.

I started with one room in the back of a printers factory, they also said I would fail if I did it my way.

I'm still here :D

Its not about what you LOOK LIKE!!!!!! its what you offer and how you offer it, THIS is the most important factor.

I looked like **** when I first started but, that didn't stop me selling my services.

I'm not interested in making loads of money, I just want to make enough so that I need not work for others.

What I don't get is what your still doing around here worrying about what people pay for a template/layout for their startup company?

The first and only template I recall you posting here, yourself... you eventually went off on another rant about the fact that no body here was willing to pay "your price" for your work.

I am not flamming you, your certainly entitiled to feel the way you do. But, why do you care what others (usually grassroots efforts) are able, willing, capable of paying for the initial design of their site? Does it take money out of your pocket if they fail? Nope! Could it possible put money in your pocket, should they survive all the hurdles that are in their way, and need a better (more expensive) site design? Possibly so, If you manage to keep people from thinking your a schmuck, by prejudging their efforts and intentions.

I think the whole point of your post was to drum up potential customers... I also feel that you should/could of used more tact in how you try to do so.

G'day and G'luck

I think the whole concept can be compared to web hosting sales.
You have one service offering everything under the sun, just to get that sale for 4.95 or below.....as long as its offered people will jump on it....same thing with design....as long as they are out there and will design for 50bucks or under, people will jump on it.
SAD, but true!
When its all said and done.....the TIME is worth something to that designer.
I would be the first one to agree that special offers, building a portfolio, etc. are good ways to get off the ground.....there eventually has to be some sort of balance.
TIME is worth $$...I completely understand Golgothas point.:o

I have no problem with someone making and selling a template for 50 bucks. They're just trying to make a living- That's understandable. Where I have a problem is when people want me to sell my work for 50 bucks because they say that's the going rate and you have to adhere to it.

It's like wanting to hire a band for your sons birthday party so you talk to your local garage band down the road and they say they'll do the gig for 50 bucks, you then somehow run into the band U2 and ask them if they are available to do the gig, unexpectedly they say they are. You say great I'll give you 50 bucks because that's what I was going to pay the other band.

I'm not saying I'm U2 here, many people may not like U2's music and many people may think my work sucks- that's fine. But, I have been building webpages for 6 years and I'm not selling my work for 50 dollars just because everyone else does. As a developer the most important thing you can do is know what your time is worth. I do.

I can be picky, I may have a smaller target market, but I'm in a position that can get by with that. If I only sell 1 template every month, no problem for me. I don't know if this was worth a post to explain my position, but if it clears things up, so be it.

There are a few problems with your garage-band/U2 analogy. First, that's a clear-cut case of getting what you paid for -- the quality from one to another will be night and day. In terms of designing a template for someone's web site, the quality difference is typically a lot more subtle.

Second, you mentioned "as a developer...". I don't see a lot of $50 development jobs floating around, and the distinction is considerable. Most of what you're seeing around here are $50 templates, and not $50 fully-developed, dynamic web sites. There's a HUGE difference in terms of the the time and energy required from one to another.

That said, I do see your point and I understand it. I'm not a designer by any means, but if someone came to me and told me that some college kid would write code for him for $15 and so I should as well... well, I'd tell him to go see the college kid. I'd also remind them that you get what you pay for. So when it needs to be fixed, updated, maintained, or when it's taking longer than they feel like it should... there's where you saved your money.

In terms of the templates floating around here, I have a theory on why some people can offer them so cheaply from time to time. Again, I'm not a designer so this is purely a guess.

Anyway, my theory is that some of these guys are doing this because they see that "web hosting" templates are all subtle variations on the same theme. So if I build up a collection of buttons, graphics, stock art, patterns, and cool fonts, I can go to town. By changing the combinations of elements, changing the color schemes, layout of the elements, etc., you could probably bang out a handful of templates fairly quickly. And if business is slow in terms of more "serious" jobs, it's also a good way to home your skills and fill up that "toolbox" of widgets and techniques you can use down the road. Not to mention a way to bring a little fun cash and potentially build up the portfolio. But nobody here who isn't receiving subsidies from elsewhere is going to base their entire living on selling $50 templates via the WHT forum.

:) yeah, my garage-band/U2 analogy was a long-winded way of saying you get what you pay for!

jdonnici- you make some sense.

Golgotha

i think you have just discoverd a new way to make an effective advertisement for your designs

intelligent thread

I'm with shoney, this was just a bait post to advertise.