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jake712
12-08-2002, 01:19 AM
The ICANN should create a new policy making their fees $20-25 per domain per year. You want to know why? Those crappy huge corportions think they can take every freaking domain on this whole unviverse. The software that atumatically thinks of good combinations is just making it 10x worse. I was looking for a good domain name for a future script I am considering making. Every single domain that made any sense without a whole bucnh of numbers was taken. 99% of those domains were freaking still parked on their registrars default page, AKA "The company XXX has registered www.XXX.EXT with REGISTAR. Coming soon!"

Why the **** isn't there some sort of policy like this?

Andrew
12-08-2002, 02:08 AM
So, if it was $25 a year, it would stop large corporations from registering domains? Dunno about that...

I feel your pain, but it's just the way things are. Seriously, if you can't find a domain, it's not anyone else's fault but yours...you just aren't trying hard enough. They are there! They just need to be found! :)

khimhong
12-08-2002, 03:26 AM
it doesnt really matter to big corporations if domain prices were increased to like $25 / yr. They can still mass purchase since you stated that they are BIG coporations

mrzippy
12-08-2002, 03:58 AM
Increasing the price may help reduce some mom/pop domain speculators, but the fact is this is a big industry that is not going to go away.

Increasing the price will not solve the problem.

The only thing that will solve the problem is some kind of system that checks to see if you are actually USING the domain name within 1 year after registering it.

If you are not, then the domain automatically goes back into the registration pool and you are not allowed to re-register it.

That's the only way.

hostjet
12-08-2002, 05:39 AM
a lot of those speculators in addition to their own scripting actually also use expired domain services like namewinner and snapnames, which cost more than US$25, so no way is that going to stop them.

nameslave
12-08-2002, 11:09 AM
>jake712: CEO and Owner of http://www.xboxgnome.com

FYI: Microsoft Corporation owns more than a dozen of live xbox-related registered trademarks.

Acroplex
12-08-2002, 01:49 PM
If anything else, ICANN pockets $6 per domain registration. We're looking at reducing this to $2 or $3 if any Registrar competition is desired.

jake712
12-08-2002, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by nameslave
>jake712: CEO and Owner of http://www.xboxgnome.com

FYI: Microsoft Corporation owns more than a dozen of live xbox-related registered trademarks.

Yeah, but they are all domains that they, in my opinion, deserve to own like www.xboxlive.com that points to www.xbox.com/live. You can't have some PS2 fanboy point www.xboxlive.com to www.sony.com. Microsoft doesn't go around buying all the domains using those 1000's of domain prefixes, suffixes, and combinations.

And I think most companies would highly consider cutting back on domains that are neither for sale nor used.

Acroplex
12-08-2002, 02:08 PM
Intellectual property does not have to be flaunted in somebody's face in order to exist.

mrzippy
12-08-2002, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by jake712

Microsoft doesn't go around buying all the domains using those 1000's of domain prefixes, suffixes, and combinations.


But if they feel like "claiming" a "microsoft" website, then they will probably win.

Your site (xboxgnome.com) uses a registered/trademarked word, which means you are only getting money/visitors because of your infringement of it.

It's very likely that if you actually have a popular site, the domain will be claimed and you will be out of luck.

What is the difference between your site name and, say, "tomcruisegnome.com"?

Acroplex
12-08-2002, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by mrzippy


What is the difference between your site name and, say, "tomcruisegnome.com"?

Tom Cruise is not THAT short :D

jake712
12-08-2002, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by mrzippy

It's very likely that if you actually have a popular site, the domain will be claimed and you will be out of luck.


Since when? Think about Gamespy, they have at least 500 domains, almost all of which have the game title in their domain. Are you saying this massive gaming enterprise could be shut down if all the developers said... "Hey he took our title! Let's sue and get the domain!" I am sorry, but that's really unrealistic, unless someone took a domain name like xbox.ws. Or something thats obviously trademarked. Plus Microsoft didn't trademark the word "xboxgnome" or "planetxbox" or "xboxaddict" or "teamxbox".

Even if they could they wouldn't, by one look at my website it is clear it is pro-Xbox and I occasionally "bash" the other consoles. Next time could you back up whatever your talking about?

Plus I would still earn money being gamergnome.com and solely supplying information on Xbox. Oh and just because I have a pretty sh**ty domain name doesn't mean you have the right to piss me off.

Acroplex
12-08-2002, 04:07 PM
Just because we call things exactly how they are instead of what you want to hear, doesn't mean that we're trying to piss you off.

It's called self-control; any CEO worthy of their investors' money knows that ;)

mrzippy
12-08-2002, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by jake712
Even if they could they wouldn't, by one look at my website it is clear it is pro-Xbox and I occasionally "bash" the other consoles. Next time could you back up whatever your talking about?

There have been many examples over the years of people with fan websites (celebrity fan sites, usually) that have been either shut down or sued (or both).

It doesn't matter if it is PRO whatever.. as long as it is infringing on the registered trademark, the trademark holder has right to protect the trademark.

I'm not going to argue with you that it may be STUPID for the trademark holder to take action against you. I agree on that. What I'm trying to say is that they do have the RIGHT to take action, and would probably win, based on decisions in the past.

Whether you agree or not doesn't matter. We're talking about the LAW, not what you or I think should or should not happen.

Originally posted by jake712
Plus I would still earn money being gamergnome.com and solely supplying information on Xbox.
Earning money off their trademark is definately going to be the #1 reason why the trademark holder will win any suit against you.

Originally posted by jake712
Plus I would still earn money being gamergnome.com and solely supplying information on Xbox. Oh and just because I have a pretty sh**ty domain name doesn't mean you have the right to piss me off.

:eek: I was not knocking your domain name. I think it's pretty clever, actually. ;) I certainly hope you can keep it.

Cheers!

adland
12-09-2002, 09:47 PM
Next time could you back up whatever your talking about?

United States Patent and Trademark Office (http://www.uspto.gov)



Also, GameSpy actually inks agreements with other companies: http://www.gamespyindustries.com/press/ that includes the rights to use their trademark.

And they say this on their legal page:

All other marks that appear throughout the Services belong to GameSpy Industries or their respective owners, and are protected by U.S. and international copyright and trademark laws. Any use of any of the marks appearing throughout the Services without the express written consent of GameSpy Industries or the owner of the mark, as appropriate, is strictly prohibited.

theqase
12-09-2002, 10:27 PM
i think those companies are trying to do like what happened back in the day... you know when someone had pepsi.com and then pepsi ahd to buy it for a million bucks (example)...

now what you could do... is find the domain you want... and keep an eye on it until it expires and get it then.... that is what i had to do with mine... i just waited and got it as soon as it became available again

i personally think they should come up with an attractive, personal, tld... so that companys cannot register them... yet we still have something that is cool..... even though having the dotcom you want is the greatest...

Alex042
12-10-2002, 09:22 AM
The only thing that will solve the problem is some kind of system that checks to see if you are actually USING the domain name within 1 year after registering it.

If you are not, then the domain automatically goes back into the registration pool and you are not allowed to re-register it.


Good idea. Why didn't I think of this? :eek: I also get tired of all of these domains just sitting there for sale. I'm now looking into buying my domain with an alternative extension.

i personally think they should come up with an attractive, personal, tld... so that companys cannot register them... yet we still have something that is cool..... even though having the dotcom you want is the greatest...

Isn't that what .name is for? Btw, I never did particularly like .com as an extension, at least for MY domains. I usually start with .net, but even those are being flooded. Basically extensions are becoming nothing more than real estate just like the names. Have the money, buy almost any extension you want regardless of the criteria that the extension was ment for.

theqase
12-10-2002, 07:05 PM
.name.... would you want a dot name... that is what i mean by an attractive domain...

how would you like the "www.First.Last.name" that is just stupid if you ask me...

i mean... .WS isnt bad

<ramble>
you know what i think would be cool... we alll know of clear channel communications right? -- well i think it would be cool if they registered all of there radio stations and tv stations' call letters dot cc... example: www.KPIG.cc wouldnt that be cool
</ramble>

vibesolutions
12-19-2002, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by timechange
If anything else, ICANN pockets $6 per domain registration. We're looking at reducing this to $2 or $3 if any Registrar competition is desired.

actually network solutions pockets that 6$ :)

iamdave
12-20-2002, 01:15 AM
Most big companies buy from NSI, which is $35/year.

vibesolutions
12-20-2002, 01:17 AM
one cause they don't care about price and 2. network solutions isn't likely to go bankrupt netime soon ;p