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It looked like RackSpace.com does not do anything with SPAM related issues. For going to be 2 weeks, no action has been taken on the SPAMMER who's send bulk emails on average 2 times daily!

Why is not RackSpace.com not taking any Action inspite of lot SPAM reports send to abuse@rackspace.com?
Issit that RackSpace.com itself is the SPAMMER in question? rackspace.com = greatfamilyoffers.com (SPAMMER) ??

Now would you like your next server with a SPAMMER?

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This one is from another SPAMMER sister co. at RackSpace.com

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jesus don't you have a school or a job?

You need to face the facts of the internet. ANY big isp will host spam for the right price. Spam and porn is where alot of the money is. You have someone coming to you offering you 10k/month for one dedicated server and a mbit of bw to "lose" complaints sent to abuse, quite a few providers that will do it.

Spammers are less of a problem then those who constantly bitch and moan about it and go mailing EVERY GOD DAMN PERSON and their mother about it. It's amazing how people seem to find the time to spend looking up and tracking spam and whining to everybody that shows up in a traceroute, everyone they peer with, everyone they buy transit from, and their mothers when it takes less then a second to delete it. Not to mention about 90% of the people/dept's that are contacted by those bitching are not even remotely close to being an abuse dept. But hey thats ok! They showed up in a traceroute!

zerphyte, i have but the ppl at RackSpace.com are doing nothing even after reporting.

Want to know from them why they are not taking any action on the SPAMMER or issit they who are SPAMMERS.

If they accept Spammers, let them accept it that yes SPAMMERS are welcome at rackspace.com

Originally posted by zerphyte
jesus don't you have a school or a job?

You need to face the facts of the internet. ANY big isp will host spam for the right price. Spam and porn is where alot of the money is. You have someone coming to you offering you 10k/month for one dedicated server and a mbit of bw to "lose" complaints sent to abuse, quite a few providers that will do it.

Spammers are less of a problem then those who constantly bitch and moan about it and go mailing EVERY GOD DAMN PERSON and their mother about it. It's amazing how people seem to find the time to spend looking up and tracking spam and whining to everybody that shows up in a traceroute, everyone they peer with, everyone they buy transit from, and their mothers when it takes less then a second to delete it. Not to mention about 90% of the people/dept's that are contacted by those bitching are not even remotely close to being an abuse dept. But hey thats ok! They showed up in a traceroute!

You are right.

Yeah when i also support SPAMS, support SPAM hostings then i'd also say Zerphyte is right.

there are many threads.. one about SuperSizehosting.com also, just go there also and support supersizehosting.com also that they doing right by SPAMMING!

merconline - you are correct. Ignore the spam friendly guys who post here. You will see zerphyte attack anyone who dares to say anything anti-spam. Now why would that be? Hmmm....

Yeah, spammers are less of a problem than the people who try to get them shut down... maybe for a spammer.

We dont host spam, wont host spam, not for any price not even a million dollars, and i would never spend any money with any isp or provider that does.

cbaker17, I am not SPAM-friendly, but when I get SPAM on my mail I simply click "Delete" and don't spend time on reading in. It is easier and faster for me to delete message rather than read it and find out suources of it.

And I would like to ask you - if you would have your own datacenter, your network, your network is not closed for sending SPAM, and someone would tell you something like "Hey, I will pay you $10.000/month just if you give me shell access and sendmail and close your eyes on abuses", will you reject this offer? Just to be honest?

Originally posted by chet
merconline - you are correct. Ignore the spam friendly guys who post here. You will see zerphyte attack anyone who dares to say anything anti-spam. Now why would that be? Hmmm....


More then likely because I get tons of complaints by clueless morons about legit mailing lists and sites that are not even related to networks I maintain. Its an amazing waste of time and resources when there is a required response policy. If you got the 3am phone calls because some pathetic anti-spam loser got a hold of your cell phone # and wants to whine about getting a couple emails in his inbox you may change your point of view.
For any decent size isp more resources and time are wasted by anti spam vigilantes then by the actual spammers.

I don't encourage spam but I do accept it as a fact of life. Just like taxes, I don't like them but I deal with them. When you get advertisements in your snail mail box do you sit there and write back to them, the fcc, etc. etc.?

The ads that come to my snail mail box were paid for by the sender. I pay for the disk space and bandwidth required to accept spam.

I figure if anybody ought to be anti-spam it would be providers who have to pay for the bandwidth to accept spam that irritates their users and just gets blown away by the delete key or a spam filter. Do you really enjoy sticking burning money up your nose? That's pretty much what accepting spam means.

The average spam msg is 8-11k. If this makes that big of an impact on your bandwidth or disk usage you have some issues.

Its not a big deal for decent size providers because the amount of bandwidth it uses is nothing in the big picture.

Yes miha thats exactly what im saying. Eve if they offered a million dollars i wouldnt. Ive been offered thousands of dollars for service by would be spammers before and have turned it down many times. BTW we do have our own network and own data center and still dont do it. Finally we have some of the strictest policys concerning spam as you can ask our users, we give our hosting cusomters 24 hours to eliminiate the spammer, if its not done in 24 hours we suspend service and levy fines. So anyone supporting spam i would advise to look elsewhere.

Spam causes huge amounts of problems for a network of our size, it causes legitimate providers like us to have ip's blocked because of one single spam incident and gives a bad name to the industry. Anyone who tolerates spam in my book is just as bad as the spammer.

i believe a better criterium would be ip space ownership. basically, if you dont own the ip addresses and your provider (such as yipes =) has a strict policy against getting their ips blacklisted, you dont have much of a choice but to deal with spam complaints.

i agree, it is a fact of life and everyone needs to deal with it. its the sensible thing to do - after all, internet is a place of business, not some holy ground to enforce your principles on. if its hurting your business, deal with it, if it doesnt, leave it be and levae judgement to the proper authority at the appropriate time (judgement day =)

If you got the 3am phone calls because some pathetic anti-spam loser got a hold of your cell phone # and wants to whine about getting a couple emails in his inbox you may change your point of view.

Zerphyte, no one will call u if u mention on your website nice and clear that "We accept SPAMMER Hostings, so don bother our peace by reporting it to us"
If i see that, i woouldn't bother you. Fair enough rite?

Just delete it? hahaha. That is fine for an end user, or some kid running 10 web sites on his daddy's credit card, but I host over 75,000 mailboxes. Spam makes a serious impact on our bandwidth and diskspace charges. It is a serious issue of making sure all valid mail gets thru vs nuking the spammers.

When I get a piece of spam, I can check my logs - We (as in my customers) just didn't get one, we got thousands. And in wonderful cases like last week, some spammers just like to setup dictionary attacks and slam your server to hell so they can get their message out.

So stick your - just delete the mail and move on - if it is such a non-issue, I will let you pay for my additional bandwidth and storage I have to purchase to handle all the spam we deal with.

Originally posted by zerphyte
For any decent size isp more resources and time are wasted by anti spam vigilantes then by the actual spammers.

What you don't seem to understand is that the spammer spamming the anti-spammer is what caused the anti-spammer to call you.

Originally posted by merconline


zerphyte, no one will call u if u mention on your website nice and clear that "We accept SPAMMER Hostings, so don bother our peace by reporting it to us"
If i see that, i woouldn't bother you. Fair enough rite?

Umm no actually we don't. Spammers are not allowed on any of the networks I maintain. Granted we don't go running around null routing ips like crazy at the first hint of spam. Its verified and we don't do anything until we discuss it with the customer. Neither I nor any of the companies I work for allow or encourage spam. We just accept it as part of using the internet. I just dislike having my time wasted by clueless anti-spammers who don't even mail the correct dept/person(s).

ok Zerphyte, now after u said this.

I want to make clear that its not clueless in the case i mentioned.
Even some concerned RackSpace.com customer chat with the Online Sales person at RackSpace.com and mentioned about my previous post. They told him that they had visited that thread that morning!!
And they(RackSpace) have now more strict measures on SPAM. This concerned customer advised RackSpace guy also to post the same in that thread, so the ppl are satisfied. But still nothing!

This concerned RackSpace.com customer messaged me that its all ok, RackSpace.com will take care of it.

But 4 days after that we still get SPAMS from same ppl. repeadly and from same RackSpace.com servers.

So now u see that the SPAM is not clueless, but its definately RackSpace.com harbouring SPAMMERS or RackSpace.com is SPAMMER.

Rackspace cares about spam?

Rackspace reads this thread?

Rackspace better be going to confession tomorrow and saying a mouthful of our fathers for all the lies.

Because if they are anti-spam, then explain fantastic-bargain.com? adigen.com?

I could wake up tomorrow and declare my name is no longer Chet. Doesn't make a difference that I still keep using the name Chet and never bothered to get a new name - I SAID I WASN'T CHET!!!!!

Sorry, I am still chet in the morning and rackspace is still spam friendly.

Luckily I have been able to turn a few potential rackspace customers away from rackspace, when we listed them on our blocked mailer page, I got some emails asking why. Once I showed the proof, everyone was happy to never use them.

If I create an email address. Post it on one of my sites and never use it anywhere else. A rackspace spammer will send me mail within 2 weeks. So F' rackspace for saying they do anything about spammers. Spam catches are the damning evidence that they host spammers.

And sorry, but if your company is so desperate that you are listed as much as rackspace is in spews, and you allow so many spammers - you must not be financially sound. Why else would you screw all your other customers? I laugh when someone says they host something mission critical at rackspace. That is like saying you keep your bank account at the local porno bookstore.

Chet

Originally posted by cbaker17

Spam causes huge amounts of problems for a network of our size, it causes legitimate providers like us to have ip's blocked because of one single spam incident and gives a bad name to the industry. Anyone who tolerates spam in my book is just as bad as the spammer.

Yes, I agree that small networks are simply closed for sending SPAM, but if you would read my post again you can find that I mentioned 'if your network is not closed for SPAM'.
Rackspace is not closed by upstream providers, don't they? They probably pay them $$$ too and everyone is happy with SPAM.

Because your network is small that's why you can't risk with SPAM and host it, you simply will be closed by upstreams. I'm sure if you would have privilege to host spammers for a lot of $$$ you would do it.

Originally posted by chet

Just delete it? hahaha. That is fine for an end user, or some kid running 10 web sites on his daddy's credit card, but I host over 75,000 mailboxes. Spam makes a serious impact on our bandwidth and diskspace charges. It is a serious issue of making sure all valid mail gets thru vs nuking the spammers.


Thanks for your comments.

In this thread we are talking about end users who are anti-spammers. Don't we? :eek: Yes, there are problems for mail providers, but it is their problems, end user don't care how much bandwidth spent to get SPAM in his mailbox and how much server resources spent.

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Finally I would like to tell you - please go and take a look in "Dedicated Hosting Forum" and ask people "Which is the best managed dedicated hosting provider?". You will see the answers. Then read your posts again here.

Originally posted by chet
Just delete it? hahaha. That is fine for an end user, or some kid running 10 web sites on his daddy's credit card, but I host over 75,000 mailboxes. Spam makes a serious impact on our bandwidth and diskspace charges. It is a serious issue of making sure all valid mail gets thru vs nuking the spammers.

Are you running free mail service? If yes, I'm sure you put banners in users' mailboxes, and I'm sure you are making profit of it. I'm sure you're makeing big money of it. I'm sure you wouldn't run service for free and without banners and pay from your pocket, wouldn't you? Not in this business, right?

Are you running paid mail service? If it is paid mail service then you should be getting profits of it.

Simply think over again and tell who is making profit from your 75k mailboxes hosted.

What you are saying is obvious.

I would like to run hosting company with only 1 server, but I don't want space and bandwidth to be counted, but I want to make profit from running it. Is it possible? Of course not.

In this thread we are discussing about : RackSpace.com - Spammer or SPAM Supporter?

What you trying to say "best managed dedicated hosting provider" = RackSpace.com = "best managed dedicated SPAM provider" ??
If that is the case the God bless RackSpace.com customers.

I wonder why ppl make so noise on SPAMS from China, Korea, Africa etc. and go all lengths to block the whole IP block etc. on their server.
Why they can't just be busy download the junk and press delete the whole day!!

Similarly why do the ppl take anti.malaria or other vaccinations, or other things to prevent infections etc. Why don't they just accept whatever it comes?

Looks like there are two groups of people :) anyway own choice/ own opinions

Originally posted by zerphyte
Spammers are less of a problem then those who constantly bitch and moan about it and go mailing EVERY GOD DAMN PERSON and their mother about it. It's amazing how people seem to find the time to spend looking up and tracking spam and whining to everybody that shows up in a traceroute, everyone they peer with, everyone they buy transit from, and their mothers when it takes less then a second to delete it.

I for one have no respect for spammers or those who support or defend it in any way whatsover. Notwithstanding the fact that you say that you do not support spam, I still find your comments offensive, and your derrogatory looking-down-your-nose comments towards people who despise spam leave something to be desired.

I own 12 sites and I now receive about 60-80 spam emails a day. It takes a little more than "a second" to just click to delete it. I consider these emails intrusive, incredibly annoying and very disruptive to my day to day routine.

So when I get multiple emails sent to multiple addresses on a daily basis from greatfamilyoffers.com and thesuperspecialsales.com, both of which are traced back to rackspace.com, you can bet I will take 5 minutes to fire off an email to the Abuse Dept at rackspace. Unfortunately, it seems to fall on deaf ears. The spam doesn't stop, it just intensifies.

Perhaps rackspace should consider rewriting their AUP since it clearly states:
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Use of the Rackspace network, servers or services to transmit any unsolicited commercial or unsolicited bulk-e-mail is expressly prohibited, as is hosting web sites or services on a server which are advertised in any UCE/UBE.

Customers whose actions directly or indirectly result in Rackspace IP space being listed in any of the various abuse databases may be subject to having the offending domain(s), server(s), or user(s) immediately removed from our network. In addition, if Rackspace in its sole discretion determines that a customer is in violation of our AUP, Rackspace may, at its sole discretion, restrict, suspend or terminate a customer's account.
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Clearly, it's just rhetoric. They should at least have the courtesy of stating their real policy - "we accept and support spammers and we have an Abuse Dept merely for appearances..."


Just my 2 cents.


Vito

I find it offensive when people are offended by the opinions of others. Especially about Spam.

Originally posted by merconline


What you trying to say "best managed dedicated hosting provider" = RackSpace.com = "best managed dedicated SPAM provider" ??
If that is the case the God bless RackSpace.com customers.


I'm not trying to say that rackshack best hosting for SPAMMERs, I'm trying to tell you to visit "dedicated hosting" section of this forum and ask people over there "which is the best managed dedicated hosting provider" and see the answers. I'm sure you know the answer. If you don't you can always ask.

Even rackspace hosts spammers they are still #1 managed deciated provider, and I am sure you (or anyone else) would like to have server over there, don't you?

Originally posted by lightnin
I find it offensive when people are offended by the opinions of others. Especially about Spam.

Well then you just condemned yourself in the same breath, didn't you? ;)

You can have your own opinion about spam. I really could care less. But when expressions like "pathetic anti-spam loser" are thrown into a discussion, it is no longer a healthy or worthwhile discussion. Just state your opinions, and let others come to their own conclusions on the topic.

Vito

Originally posted by Miha


I'm not trying to say that rackshack best hosting for SPAMMERs, I'm trying to tell you to visit "dedicated hosting" section of this forum and ask people over there "which is the best managed dedicated hosting provider" and see the answers. I'm sure you know the answer. If you don't you can always ask.

Even rackspace hosts spammers they are still #1 managed deciated provider, and I am sure you (or anyone else) would like to have server over there, don't you?


Okay, enough.

We get the point.

Rackspace sucks because they don't answer their spam complaints. Happy?

Originally posted by vito


Well then you just condemned yourself in the same breath, didn't you? ;)

You can have your own opinion about spam. I really could care less. But when expressions like "pathetic anti-spam loser" are thrown into a discussion, it is no longer a healthy or worthwhile discussion. Just state your opinions, and let others come to their own conclusions on the topic.

Vito

Yes sir!

My opinion:

Anti-spam zealots are just as bad as spammers themselves.

I guess it's a matter of how you define "zealots". After receiving countless spam emails daily from rackspace customers, do you consider me a zealot for having sent an email to Abuse at rackspace?

We'll just agree to disagree. After all, if we all stood on the same side of the earth, it would tilt...


Vito

lol! :)

No, I don't consider you a zealot. I have my doubts about the guy who keeps repeating broken complaints in this thread.

I understand your point of view, as someone who gets a lot of spam. But I also understand Nick's point of view on this.

He and I are both from NYC and we're prone to strong views on just about everything...lol1

Originally posted by lightnin



Okay, enough.

We get the point.

Rackspace sucks because they don't answer their spam complaints. Happy?

.. and that's what for they're getting $$$ from spammers, don't you still understand concept of it?

Originally posted by Miha


.. and that's what for they're getting $$$ from spammers, don't you still understand concept of it?

Why is it you people are always wondering the earth whining about how 'people just don't understand!' I think you watched one too many 80's sitcoms and it drove you over the edge.

What is there not to understand? What is your rambling here going to do about any of it?

Miha
In this thread we are talking about end users who are anti-spammers. Don't we? Yes, there are problems for mail providers, but it is their problems, end user don't care how much bandwidth spent to get SPAM in his mailbox and how much server resources spent.

Wow is that an ignorant statement. First, spam costs everyone money because any cost to the provider must be passed down to the customer. And we were talking about hosts.

Miha
I would like to run hosting company with only 1 server, but I don't want space and bandwidth to be counted, but I want to make profit from running it. Is it possible? Of course not.
So if I own a convienent store and I get robbed, I shouldn't call the police, I should shut up because that is the cost of doing business? In my state, sending of unsolicited mail with forged headers is illegal, sending spam once the company has been notified is illegal. Does that answer the point you were desperately trying to form, maybe not, your posts don't make much sense.

Chet

Chet, so if your users will be getting too much spam in their mailboxes you will start charging them because you will need new hdds?


...any cost to the provider must be passed down to the customer.

what are you going to tell your customers then? I think a lot of your customers will run away.

I think Chet, don't argue with pre-teens... it'll never end and baseless

thanks for your warm comments.

however, I'm not pre-teen, not even teen.
(though you can't judge person whom you don't know)

I will stop posting in this thread, its turning into flame.

the fact is still fact - ISPs that have privilege to host spammers for money will do it until spam will completely die (I don't believe it will happen soon)

Miha.

miha i invite you to share your views about spam to: news.admin.net-abuse.email (newsgroup)

Im sure they would love to hear your enlightening ideas on spam.

Finally dont think i didnt notice your cheap shot at me about a small network. Heh might want to do your research we are larger then about 95% of the people on this board. With pops in dallas, denver, Missouri, and Kansas, as well as our expansion plans into several other markets, and have been in business for almost 10 years i would say we have one large network. And the exp. to back up where the industry was, and is heading.

Im always curious why people even bother to spam anymore. ANytime i get a piece of spam in my mailbox, that company goes on my **** list, i bet if a survey was taken companys would find out, emailing out advertisements does more harm then good by a huge margin. I dont know of a single person who would read a ad spammed to their mailbox and actually even give a second thought to that company.

Miha obv makes money off of spamming, that kind of rif raf you cant convince no matter what you say or do that spamming is bad.

Never fails to amaze me how worse and worse this board gets in regards to trolls everytime i stop back in here.

I'd invite those ppl who like to SPAM to do it from c1host(replace 1 with i) network also, though in this board they are not very popular but should agree that they are quite big.

I got 2 first hand reports that the people's Reseller account were suspended on the first day when one of Reseller's clients SPAMMED. After the Reseller's took action and gave enough proof to c1host their account was re-activated after 2 days!

well don't know much about the size of c1host & RackSpace.com(SPAM supporter)

Originally posted by cbaker17
miha i invite you to share your views about spam to: news.admin.net-abuse.email (newsgroup)


God help you if you go anywhere near those psychopaths. It isn't even funny how big of a deal anti-spam is to those people. They regard spam as if its the most critical thing on this planet. Somewhat amusing to read at first but its just so ridicules you can't take much of it.

I got my IP blocked by SPEWS when they blocked an whole IP block at RS when they hosted bulkbarn.com. I reported it to RS and within a couple of days bulkbarn.com was gone. It took more than a cpuple of days however for RS to get of the SPEWS (that block at least) list.

IMO SPEWS cause more harm than good, but it is up to the ISP's to decide how to use the list. Instead of blocking mail one might add an extra header line to the mail that says its on a block list. The enduser can then decide if he wants to filter that kind of messages out or not.

Originally posted by Miha


I'm not trying to say that rackshack best hosting for SPAMMERs, I'm trying to tell you to visit "dedicated hosting" section of this forum and ask people over there "which is the best managed dedicated hosting provider" and see the answers. I'm sure you know the answer. If you don't you can always ask.

Even rackspace hosts spammers they are still #1 managed deciated provider, and I am sure you (or anyone else) would like to have server over there, don't you?

I would definately NOT and advise other people's not to have server at RackSpace.com cuz they are SPAMMERS. There are many choices out there, so even if you say they are the best managed dedicated, i'd also take into consideration the 'malignant tumor' i'm getting as part of their package.

As mentioned by Chet also that people do care about this and pull-off from the SPAM supporting people.

I invite you to ask question in the 'Dedicated Hosting' section that "Would you like to host with Best Managed Dedicated Hosting provider with lots of SPAMMERS inside/ who support SPAMS" and see the peopl'e answers.

edit: made bold the first line, looks - it wasn't clear

I would definately NOT and advise other people's not to have server at RackSpace.com

I agree. Everyone should have a server at Rackspace! Viva la Rackspace! :D

hmm.. SPAMMER RackSpace.com's SPAMMING domain is already listed! That means popular Spammer!

http://openrbl.org/ip/64/49/250/1.htm

Originally posted by zerphyte


God help you if you go anywhere near those psychopaths. It isn't even funny how big of a deal anti-spam is to those people. They regard spam as if its the most critical thing on this planet. Somewhat amusing to read at first but its just so ridicules you can't take much of it.

I think I see why you're so upset::

http://spews.org/html/S1754.html

http://spews.org/html/S1757.html

Wow are you clueless. Those guys were hosted with us for ~8 days before they got the plug pulled. Go ahead and give NAC's abuse dept a call up and ask em about how quickly we pulled them.

Originally posted by zerphyte
The average spam msg is 8-11k. If this makes that big of an impact on your bandwidth or disk usage you have some issues.

Its not a big deal for decent size providers because the amount of bandwidth it uses is nothing in the big picture.

Truly spoken by someone who has no idea what they are talking about.

Contrary to the experience of 90% of the people on this board, there are mailservers that get more than 100 messages a day.

Okay lets say you get 5,000,000 spams to your mail server a day. Now if you get that many you must have a decent size mail server and customer base. Now 5,000,000 x 11 = 55,000,000. So you now have 55GB of spam msgs sitting on your mail server. Now I don't know about your customers but our avg customer pulls his mail down at least 1 x a day. Which makes storage not that big of a deal. Okay now for bw. 55GB * 30 (days) = 1650GB. So if you have a client base large enough to get 5 million spams a day your mail server must be pushing ~30 million msgs per day and you should be quite a decent size provider. So again bw and storage are not that big of a deal.

Originally posted by cbaker17

Finally dont think i didnt notice your cheap shot at me about a small network.


I don't think that's a cheap shot. RackSpace is a big company by my standards, and Miha was just pointing out that your network is probably not as large as RackSpace's. This could very well be wrong, but I don't think it's a cheap shot, as the network of most 'web hosting providers' doesn't even compare to what rackspace has. (I associate network w/ Bandwidth if you have 1 DC, pipes if you multiple DCs, etc.)

However, I also think you have to realize that large networks *will* have spam. Go to UUnet, exodus, sprintlink, etc. and you will find spam. Major networks are constantly dealing with it as a problem, but must make a business decision at some point. Assuming UUnet gets 5k emails to abuse (I have no idea what the figures are), and each one is investigated (after all, shutting down a customer when they didn't even spam is worse than leaving a spamming customer alone to spam) you could say they'll have 50 employees dealing with spam. Many companies end up devoting some of those employees to other sectors, because *business wise* it's a better decision. However, when spam becomes too prevelant UUnet et al. are perfectly willing to boot their spam-ish customers.

Don't think Rackspace isn't making an effort to deal with spam. They just have to deal with money, too. In this case, that one mail service may very well be from Rackspace and be asking rackspace to look the other way, but you'll find that in most places. Personally, I would just block the mail servers (or their domain,) but that's just me.

Originally posted by Revelation
Don't think Rackspace isn't making an effort to deal with spam. They just have to deal with money, too. In this case, that one mail service may very well be from Rackspace and be asking rackspace to look the other way, but you'll find that in most places.

Then they should not have the following in their AUP:

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Use of the Rackspace network, servers or services to transmit any unsolicited commercial or unsolicited bulk-e-mail is expressly prohibited, as is hosting web sites or services on a server which are advertised in any UCE/UBE.

Customers whose actions directly or indirectly result in Rackspace IP space being listed in any of the various abuse databases may be subject to having the offending domain(s), server(s), or user(s) immediately removed from our network. In addition, if Rackspace in its sole discretion determines that a customer is in violation of our AUP, Rackspace may, at its sole discretion, restrict, suspend or terminate a customer's account.
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I get lots of this #@&?! spam from sites that are hosted primarily by rackspace. What I've started doing with some of it is sending it back to the spammer. Some spam, for instance will be sent to something like de @ mysite.com where de is not a POP, but my catchall account gets it. So I just set up an email forwarder for de @ mysite.com to send this garbage right back to them.

BTW, if anyone gets this crap from thesuperspecialsales.com (another great rackspace customer), if you can, forward it to customerservice@thesuperspecialsales.com . Unless of course they're sending it directly to one of your POP accounts.

Vito

I'm very thankful to those people spending much of their valuable time opposing spam. God bless them. Without them, we would probably have 10 times more spam a day.

I get a lot of mail a day from family, friends, service providers, and others. Still, about 60% of my mail is spam. My mailbox is frequently over the limit because of spam.

Besides that, spammers send untargetted adult content to everyone, including our kids. If you have kids in your house you'll know how much it matters.

For me, spam is the worst thing on the Internet, because it is almost impossible to avoid its consequences, even after a long time experience in the Internet.

Spammers come and host your site it me :P


Specials prices if you call now :P

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relax filter all the emails to your server for some basic words...and you will be fine..

i dont like spam , but i know there is nothing i can do about . I guess i could report the spam , but i dont have time ... oh well , spam is less annoying to me then all the crap mail i get from harte hanks in my snail mail box , at least i only have to click delete , with snail mail spam , you actuall have to sort through it , because they're might be a bill or something in the middle of all those advertisements .... Ill never forget when i used addweb to submit my url ... i never seen so much mail in my life .... still dont know what FFA Links are..... then again , that wasnt spam...but boy did it look like it

Rackspace is still allowing such activity. Ugh.

Rackspace moved one of the spammers they host to a new IP address to avoid blocking. See http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=15ac4049.0208060247.54faeffa%40posting.google.com "RACKSPACE moving spammers around: themembersplace.com (66.216.68.50) moved to 66.216.98.241"