Alright, Well there isn't a Backup Hosting forums so I'll post this here since it has to do with dedicated servers. :|.


Alright, well we haven't seen alot of Backup Hosting Like Large Chunks of Disk Space offered specifically for your backups, So we are thinking about offering a simplistic Backup hosting offer, Well the real point of this thread is to get your ideas/thoughts about the successfulness of doing something like this.

Well basically we plan to get a server with a decent amount of Space, (Around 4TB), Not so much worried about the other specifications of the server, Most likely A Core2 with 2G Ram, Well we plan on offering small chunks of the space 25GB,50GB,100GB, So on and so on, For backup needs, EX: Those well needed Automated cPanel backups, You can just setup the cPanel backups to go to your 123Backup Account, What really inspired us to do this was after we looked over burstNET's NetBaq.I'm not sure how well their NetBaq is doing and i don't intend on asking them, All i know is it seems like something that could be useful for alot of people out there.

However I'm not sure what the demand for something like this and if it will even be successful at all? Which is why i have turned to WHT before we invested in doing something like this.

Demand is there, but there are already a number of companies doing this e.g. Bqbackup and Rsyncpalace.

A server with a large amount of diskspace is easy, but do you have the infrastructure in place to offer unmetered bandwidth to go with the space?

I would consider something like this, assuming the price was right - safe deposit boxes are not expensive, and that's basically what you're offering :)

Demand is there, but there are already a number of companies doing this e.g. Bqbackup and Rsyncpalace.

A server with a large amount of diskspace is easy, but do you have the infrastructure in place to offer unmetered bandwidth to go with the space?

Bandwidth would not be unmetered, Probably 1TB per plan maybe 2TB,

Well i mean if we can do it for the right price it should be successful no? Because we plan on doing this as soon as we get all the thoughts/ideas from you guy's that we need to make our final decision.

There's definitely a market for it. When you're shopping for servers, be prepared to ask for custom quotes, since most dedicated server providers don't really advertise servers with large disk capacity.

I can get up to 5 Drives with up to 1.5TB Per Drive, So the server shopping isn't really an issue for me. I already got that one figured out lol ;)


But as long as theres a demand for it then it shouldn't be a complete loss.

I don't think demand will be a problem, but as I said, the price will have to be right. Someone mentioned BqBackup up above - I can get 100 GB of space from them with unlimited transfer for $20/month. If you're going to limit me to 1 or 2 TB/month, I would expect your price to be lower as a result.

Well i figured something like this, Since the idea isn't really for profit it's for a unique service to be placed at 123Systems that will attract more people.

50GB Space
1TB/month Traffic
3.95$/month or something along the lines of that.

I figure with the node space capacity that i can easily make profit with the usage i offer and the prices for the price i pay

4000Gb of disk space gives you 80 accounts at 50Gb each, at $3.95 per account you get like $316/mo and 80T per server for 1T per account ;)

And if you are going to offer backups on non raid drives, it could work, but what's the guarantee that a client will have his backup when both his server and the backup server drives fail ?

Another thought is that hosting companies offer additional 250G drives added to the same server for $10/mo more, just getting a backup drive locally is more sensible for many.

Just some thoughts..

Have no intentions of going with no RAID that's just dumb :\. Plus a backup server can be backed up too there's no reason it can't be.

I have no intentions of offering over 250G for the max backup space (for now). 80T of BW(overall usage) is not an issue, If it was i wouldn't offer it. Even though im 100% positive that goal will never be reached. 75% of that will go unused every month

Locally placed backups can be lost easily, Which is why offsite/server backups is essential for alot of people, And if i can give 250GB of Offsite/server backup space for 20$-30$/month why not spend the extra 10-20$ and know that it's in more than a local place. Your only looking at the glass half full.

And either way even 80 accounts at 3.95$ with that usage I'm going to make extreme profit.

2 things,

1.what I said before is not pointed directly at you, just some thoughts on how things could work in general.

2. why would i trust my valuable data to some offsite backup company who might have full access to it.

3. these days people are looking for dedicated servers for $5-10, who's going to pay the extra $20-30 for remote backups that could kill their own bandwidth.

1.) I know it wasn't but i was saying that in general

2.) Well it really doesn't boil down to what 1 Person thinks, I have no reason to go through someones backups, It would be pointless to burn the company reputation by browsing through someone elses backup's, That's not even a valid point and i take it as an insult.

3.) People these day's expect it but will never get it, Go find me ANY dedicated server for 10$/month and i'll give you 10$. Also you once again look at the glass half full, Off-server backups are there to be secure, Ensured that the company doesn't use the backup server for other usage, Which i have no intentions of doing, So why not pay for Backup space that can be secured instead of putting it locally on your dedicated server or on your own computer which ALOT of people do and it gets lost. I mean honestly if you sat and thought about the idea instead of posting based on what comes to the tip of your tongue then you would understand, But clearly you haven't put any thought into it what so ever, Because your Posts are some what vague and clearly show that you haven't put any thought into it since you are more or less bashing the idea like you do everything else i post, Considering your reputation for bashing me (In 85% of the posts i make) I'm not really taking into consideration what your saying, I'm just pointing out why your wrong.

Move > Specialty Hosting and Markets.

1.) I know it wasn't but i was saying that in general

2.) Well it really doesn't boil down to what 1 Person thinks, I have no reason to go through someones backups, It would be pointless to burn the company reputation by browsing through someone elses backup's, That's not even a valid point and i take it as an insult.

3.) People these day's expect it but will never get it, Go find me ANY dedicated server for 10$/month and i'll give you 10$. Also you once again look at the glass half full, Off-server backups are there to be secure, Ensured that the company doesn't use the backup server for other usage, Which i have no intentions of doing, So why not pay for Backup space that can be secured instead of putting it locally on your dedicated server or on your own computer which ALOT of people do and it gets lost. I mean honestly if you sat and thought about the idea instead of posting based on what comes to the tip of your tongue then you would understand, But clearly you haven't put any thought into it what so ever, Because your Posts are some what vague and clearly show that you haven't put any thought into it since you are more or less bashing the idea like you do everything else i post, Considering your reputation for bashing me (In 85% of the posts i make) I'm not really taking into consideration what your saying, I'm just pointing out why your wrong.


First, it's not 'dumb' to put RAID on a backup server..it's smart. RAID increases speed and I/O as well as keeps the data intact. I'd go with RAID 5-6 for a good backup box - it's an essential feature - some may argue it is more needed than the RAID on a normal webserver.

And here's a dedicated server for under $10 -> http://www.hostmds.com/DedicatedServersInToronto.php

And yes, it's real too ;).

You read it wrong, I said it would be dumb to go WITHOUT it not WITH it :|

Have no intentions of going with no RAID that's just dumb :\.

I don't see much if any performance coming out of those servers btw. You'll get VPS performance out of those servers so meh i don't really deem a box with 256MB RAM as a Dedi, It might be classified as one but i wouldn't call it one.

You read it wrong, I said it would be dumb to go WITHOUT it not WITH it :|



I don't see much if any performance coming out of those servers btw. You'll get VPS performance out of those servers so meh i don't really deem a box with 256MB RAM as a Dedi, It might be classified as one but i wouldn't call it one.

My apologizes, read it wrong.

2. why would i trust my valuable data to some offsite backup company who might have full access to it.

2.) Well it really doesn't boil down to what 1 Person thinks, I have no reason to go through someones backups, It would be pointless to burn the company reputation by browsing through someone elses backup's, That's not even a valid point and i take it as an insult.

That's overly simplistic. There are lots of reasons for not wanting to store your backups in a way which allows other people to read them.

If you're processing credit cards, there are PCI requirements to worry about.

If you're in Europe, there are privacy and data security laws (which might or might not apply to encrypted data, too, depending on who you ask).

You might need to worry about search warrants and court subpoenas (and not just if you're doing something illegal -- if you're a lawyer / doctor / priest / etc. you probably have legally privileged documents, but your backup provider isn't going to know that he should refuse to hand over files).

And, of course, if you store your data on someone else's servers, you're trusting that their security is good enough to keep it safe. Which may or may not be true in this case -- I have no reason to suspect it isn't, but I have no reason to suspect that it is, either.

Of course, the answer to most or all of these problems is to encrypt your data before giving it to someone else to store. Which is certainly possible, but not necessarily trivial.

2.) Well it really doesn't boil down to what 1 Person thinks, I have no reason to go through someones backups, It would be pointless to burn the company reputation by browsing through someone elses backup's, That's not even a valid point and i take it as an insult.
If you take it as an insult I'd advise you not to proceed with this as a business :) As a backup provider, you will be under a lot of scrutiny as people naturally want to know that their data is safe and in the right hands.

As an example, searching for "support@123systems.net" in Google shows me a result on the first page from you posting on a hacking forum and offering your (hosting) services. This doesn't encourage me to purchase hosting from you, and I personally would be very wary about using you for backups.

Note: I'm not flaming you in any way, nor am I intending to discredit you personally or your business, I'm just pointing out that the nature of the product you're looking into will invoke some investigation from people - and these kinds of things *will* turn up. Be warned.

Yea, I saw the posts on Hackforums.net too, That wasn't me or any of my staff lol, I honestly have no clue who it was, If you haven't noticed we don't allow Resource Intensive Scripts As per our ToS So why would we state we allow them on HE? Makes no sense. Do some investigating yourself next time like look over our terms of service before hand. (No offense)

I already sent HE an e-mail about the threads, But no reply? No action taken? Nothing i can do.

Well, they posted under your company name '123systems', and yet it wasn't you or any of your staff? How intriguing. Who could it possibly be?

I have no idea why you're referring to resource intensive scripts? Was this posted in the thread on the HackForum that I'm unable to read, because I'm not a member? ;)

Do some investigating yourself next time like look over our terms of service before hand. (No offense)
Again - confused why you've mentioned this or how it's related, but insulting me certainly further reinforces my doubts of you and your company.

For the record, it took me all of 5 seconds to Google that information, and I did it myself. If I can do it, others can do it, and they *will* ask questions. No need to be nasty about it.

EDIT: Who/what is 'HE'? Is that somehow related to the hacking forum?

Ok So, Your saying it's not possible to go to ANY forums and register with any name? EG: ThisWebHost.com?

Maybe the links on HF are Affiliate links? Did you care to look to find out?

I wasn't being nasty about it and yes it is relative, If you haven't noticed all that's requested on HF is DoS Shells (Resource Intensive) Sure did we get clientele from those threads? Yup sure did, Which got terminated/suspended 24 hour's later for putting DoS Shells up.

Yea, I saw the posts on Hackforums.net too, That wasn't me or any of my staff lol, I honestly have no clue who it was, If you haven't noticed we don't allow Resource Intensive Scripts As per our ToS So why would we state we allow them on HE? Makes no sense. Do some investigating yourself next time like look over our terms of service before hand. (No offense)

I already sent HE an e-mail about the threads, But no reply? No action taken? Nothing i can do.

Whether or not it IS you - people are likely going to find that and ask questions.

Jules isn't giving you a hard time but just making you aware of a potential situation you may face in the future.

Ok So, Your saying it's not possible to go to ANY forums and register with any name? EG: ThisWebHost.com?
Absolutely, it's public domain after all.

My point was: it makes little sense that somebody would sign up using your company name and advertise your services, especially without an affiliate link. What's in it for them? Can you not agree that is at least highly bizarre? If I see it that way, surely other people are going to make the same connection and think the same thing.

I wasn't being nasty about it and yes it is relative, If you haven't noticed all that's requested on HE is DoS Shells (Resource Intensive) Sure did we get clientele from those threads? Yup sure did, Which got terminated/suspended 24 hour's later for putting DoS Shells up.
To be honest, I didn't read the thread. The search result was more than enough for me. But yes, I feel you were rather nasty with your response. No matter, I'm made of stronger stuff ;)

Again, please clarify what 'HE' is or stands for, please.

I meant to say HF,

Did you care to look to see if there was affiliate links in those? Sense i mean you just clearly stated you have NOT read the thread, So how would you know if they are/are not affiliate links? They could possibly be affiliate links, I have only read the thread once and i don't even remember the info i signed up with so i can't read it again.

It's really fine i don't care, Sense if you would go read the thread, There's nothing in there that advertises a wrongful service. Just states what i offer on my site, Just because it's posted on that forums doesn't really mean anything i guess, I don't really care where it's posted either, If it brings in clientele then so be it, If they break the ToS that their fault so be it.

Did you care to look to see if there was affiliate links in those?
Yes, I checked the Google Cache and there are no links at all.

and i don't even remember the info i signed up with so i can't read it again.
So you are a member of that forum. Makes sense.

I meant to say HF,

Did you care to look to see if there was affiliate links in those? Sense i mean you just clearly stated you have NOT read the thread, So how would you know if they are/are not affiliate links? They could possibly be affiliate links, I have only read the thread once and i don't even remember the info i signed up with so i can't read it again.

It's really fine i don't care, Sense if you would go read the thread, There's nothing in there that advertises a wrongful service. Just states what i offer on my site, Just because it's posted on that forums doesn't really mean anything i guess, I don't really care where it's posted either, If it brings in clientele then so be it, If they break the ToS that their fault so be it.
Mouth + Foot = Perfect Fit

Or so it seems...

It's really fine i don't care, Sense if you would go read the thread, There's nothing in there that advertises a wrongful service. Just states what i offer on my site, Just because it's posted on that forums doesn't really mean anything i guess, I don't really care where it's posted either, If it brings in clientele then so be it, If they break the ToS that their fault so be it.

As I said, I mean no harm and I'm not trying to attack your image or that of your business at all. All I'm trying to sensibly point out is that you appear to advertise on hacker/hacking forums. That's simply not the kind of company I would want to entrust my backup data with, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Additionally, you lied about posting on the forum, so this makes me question your integrity further.

You need to expect this kind of response if you aim to target the backup hosting area. It may seem like I'm trying to bash you, but I'm not, just trying to prepare you for what may lie ahead in future.

Yea sure i signed up to read the thread, You see a crime with that? I don't. I would love to know what rule i broke for signing up just to read it?

@mikeDVB

No if you will read back it states i have already read the thread before hand, I had to sign up to read it? Do i remember the info i signed up with? No why? Because i haven't been there since i reported it and nothing got done about it.

I figured it was done and over with till this guy decided to grave dig it and bring it up again, It will be pruned eventually and won't come back i guess?

No crime at all. I have nothing further to add to this thread.

This is a good idea. Its all about getting your services out there and helping new people understand what you are offering. And assist them as quickly and reasonably as possible. Good luck!

I think its a good idea, however you are going to need more than 2gb of ram.

Look at how much data your going to pack on this server, at least give it some power.

Putting vaulable backups on a budget server isnt what i would call good quality.

What type of drives will you be using ?

What i have priced up for 5 pretty decent drives will cost about $900...

which the price of the drives seems to exceed the price of the cpu and ram by miles.

Regards

I think its a good idea, however you are going to need more than 2gb of ram. Look at how much data your going to pack on this server, at least give it some power.

I'm not quite sure why this thread came back from the dead, but I have to disagree here -- storing cold data does not need large amounts of RAM. My backup service stores terabytes of data, but the server code rarely exceeds 70 MB of RAM.

Different services require different ratios of CPU : RAM : network : I/O : storage.

Ok So, Your saying it's not possible to go to ANY forums and register with any name? EG: ThisWebHost.com?

Maybe the links on HF are Affiliate links? Did you care to look to find out?

I wasn't being nasty about it and yes it is relative, If you haven't noticed all that's requested on HF is DoS Shells (Resource Intensive) Sure did we get clientele from those threads? Yup sure did, Which got terminated/suspended 24 hour's later for putting DoS Shells up.

Is the account in question @ that Hacker forum using support@123system.net email? The forum is most likely using email verification system, care to explain how that happened?

PS: forgot to add, is the orginal thread on the forum posted by you linuxfugleman? or by of other person?

Since i'm unable to view the topic.