Hi,

I know the search engines like to see keyword sin the <h1>,<h2> and <h3> headings,the problem is that the content of my site front page is at the bottom of the page, I would like to know if there is a way to add my heading with my keywords but hide it form the public.

All I want is an heading for the search engine bots but no heading to the user because it will break my layout(full of pictures at the top of the page.



Thank you,


BamBam

Hi,

I know the search engines like to see keyword sin the <h1>,<h2> and <h3> headings,the problem is that the content of my site front page is at the bottom of the page, I would like to know if there is a way to add my heading with my keywords but hide it form the public.

All I want is an heading for the search engine bots but no heading to the user because it will break my layout(full of pictures at the top of the page.



Thank you,


BamBamThis will get you banned by search engines. It can be done, but it is a VERY bad idea. Knowing this, do you still want some code?

There is *nothing* that says a H1 tag has to be at the top.

If your content is at the bottom, and it begins with a title, headline, etc. there is nothing wrong with wrapping those words in a H tag.

Think of it like a picture at the top in a newspaper followed by the title, followed by the story.

BTW, search engines are not quite as all knowing as some would like to believe. Or, would like others to believe.

Thanks Plumsauce, I will keep your advice.

Regards,


BamBam

BTW, search engines are not quite as all knowing as some would like to believe. Or, would like others to believe.That's why search engines rely on humans to assist them: https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/spamreport?hl=en

The #1 reason sites get penalized or outright banned is hidden text. As soon as your ranks start to rise, your competitors will learn why (that's their job, or the job of their SEO specialist), they will report you, and you will have the unenviable task of not only rebuilding your rankings, but also getting your site off SE blacklists and getting relisted.

Go ahead and roll the dice if you really believe search engines don't have the AI and human assistance necessary to beat you up over it...

If your content is at the bottom, and it begins with a title, headline, etc. there is nothing wrong with wrapping those words in a H tag.Correct - there is nothing wrong with this. The impact won't be quite as noticeable as it would be with streamlined, strategically positioned markup (particularly with the release of Google's ranking algorithm when they announced Caffeine last Fall, which places more emphasis on site speed and efficiency than any version prior), but using good markup practice as much as possible can only help, and having a clear content hierarchy expressed with headings is definitely good markup practices!

Thanks for your advice,

I have a a few more question regarding website keywords.

Let say I did not get much traffic on my site the last 4 months, I decide to change all my web page title,keywords , how long will it take for the changes to be noticed on the search engines?

Also, would you prefer adding different keywords on all the different pages of your site related to it's content or add the same keywords of the home page on all the subsequent pages of your site?
Is it really worth to change keywords from let's say, an article news page to a game page on your site? or shall I mix a little bit of both pages keywords and repeat the lot on the site pages?

I am still very confused with this


Thanks,


BamBam

If you're talking about the keywords that people put inside the keywords metatag, you can forget about these having any impact on your rankings. Page titles are probably your highest priority, with heading text second.

Keywords should generally be a pretty common sense thing. Any given page has a primary purpose. Use the most accurate words to describe that purpose in both your page titles and your primary heading, with content that expounds on that purpose using carefully selected words.

Does this sound like you're writing text for people rather than search engines? Does it sound like you're creating content that makes your site easy for people to understand? It should! The ultimate goal for search engine developers is to create an algorithm that mimics the human decision cycle as closely as possible. If a human with perfect memory could recall 1,000,000 sites that relate to a searched topic, what are the top 10 sites that this human would say best represent that topic? Search engines attempt to answer that question by display the first 10 results on page one, the next 10 on page two, etc.

We can expand this analogy to include external influences on a site, but we'll leave it where it is now to answer the question about what you do with content on your site.

The frequency at which you site gets crawled is affected most (but not exclusively) by how frequently the contents of your site's pages change. And naturally, the more often bots scour your site, the quicker search engines can reformulate your rankings. Have you taken benchmark settings to see where you're ranking now? SEO is a process. Keep an eye on things weekly, and take new readings monthly to see what trends develop. Over the course of 3-6 months, you'll get a very clear picture of what types of changes are affecting your site most and most positively, and how quickly ranking changes are taking place.

I've seen sites make significant leaps within 2-3 days of substantial SEO work being completed. This is rare - typically you'll be able to track progress 2-3 weeks after a battery of changes have been performed.

Thanks again for your help the_pm,

I know you went on my site yesterday, did you notice all my pages had the same title? Could this be the cause of all my problems?
I am not too happy about the guys that built my site to be honest, they should have explained to me all of this, this idea was from the start to have people taking care of this project and not launch something half done..very sad.
Anyway, I have now having a hell of a time learning everything from scratch, I have downloaded a few days ago Web CEO, it is very good and helps me keeping an eye on the page crawling, at the moment the search engines are rejecting about 50 pages but re indexing 70, a +20 of difference every day, I will see what will happen when I will change my page titles, and also, my current page title is kind of stupid, I hope this will help :-)

Thanks for your help,


I really like this forum, it is so cool to learn so many things from all of you in a such small amount of time.

Regards,



BamBam

I know you went on my site yesterday, did you notice all my pages had the same title? Could this be the cause of all my problems?That would be a very good place to start :)

I personally believe in an inside-out approach, that you start by fixing all your weaknesses internally (or as many as is feasible to fix), and then concentrate on gaining traction through links, blogs, social networks, communities, articles bases, etc. This external part comes later (and it's much less predictable/controllable, and slightly less important than it used to be, but still quite important).

Best of luck getting your site straightened out!

Your are right the_pm, I will do ,thanks, I have been working all night on the keywords and titles.


Regards,


BamBam