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StarGate
12-04-2002, 09:28 AM
Hi,

my father went to a beatles gig in Germany in 1964 and they threw their caps they wor on their heads into the public. My dad catched one and I have it now. It is black, has the Beatles logo handstitched on it and a label inside of a company called "Kangoo".

I want to sell this cap at some point. I searched on ebay and found a guitar (that belonges to some guy not a beatle) which was SIGEND/AUTOGRAPHED by Paul McCartney 2 months agao (year 2002) and now is for sale for 7.500$ and someone already bid 6.000$.

Here in Greece a guy has a tavern and a photo of him and the Beatles with autograph and he was offered 150 Million Drachmas = 405.000$

Now I wonder what I could ask for that hat/cap... theoretically even more then that cause it is not some photo but a real clothing of the Beatles and it's authenticity IS traceable due to the label inside.

What do you guys think? Something like this has never happened to me and I am, frankly speaking, LOST... :confused:

XTStrike
12-04-2002, 09:31 AM
hmm, the question is, how many caps were thrown out into the crowd? cos if they done 2000 gigs and threw 5 caps at each gig that would make 10,000 caps in circulation, making it worth considerably less.

StarGate
12-04-2002, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by XTStrike
hmm, the question is, how many caps were thrown out into the crowd? cos if they done 2000 gigs and threw 5 caps at each gig that would make 10,000 caps in circulation, making it worth considerably less.

Well yeah np with that. Any (decent) amount would be good, heh, I can use the money!

Alex[nl]
12-04-2002, 09:37 AM
Yeah I agree with XTStrike. I also suggest (if possible at all) to get a picture of the event where you see them wear the cap. My guess is that will make the value of the "set" higher.

StarGate
12-04-2002, 09:46 AM
Well I have given it some thought. If someone would go to a recent Bon Jovi gig (I love Bon Jovi) and they would throw their hats into the public I would buy one off the lucky ones that catched it/them for a couple of thousands right away.

SoftWareRevue
12-04-2002, 09:55 AM
But, how would you know?



*looks through old hat box

Alex[nl]
12-04-2002, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by NocSol
Well I have given it some thought. If someone would go to a recent Bon Jovi gig (I love Bon Jovi) and they would throw their hats into the public I would buy one off the lucky ones that catched it/them for a couple of thousands right away. If they hapen to wear red nike caps (or blue ones) I was the one who caught one .. its a bit filthy (because "they" wore them) .. in fact .. I caught them both (a red & a blue one) .. if you need any info about where to send the ca$h please let me know ;)

ps: unfortunatly I lost every sign of proof I was there.. no photos, no ticket, not ever a recollection of what they played ...


-> All I want to point out here is that is important you collect as much data as possible about that concert. . try to hunt down tickets/photos ... that will make the cap more valuable .... Proving it is true or not can hardly be done. In the US you have all these fanshops with colletables... from what I saw of them it's hard to tell if it is a real or a fake one?

StarGate
12-04-2002, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by Alex[nl]
If they hapen to wear red nike caps (or blue ones) I was the one who caught one .. its a bit filthy (because "they" wore them) .. in fact .. I caught them both (a red & a blue one) .. if you need any info about where to send the ca$h please let me know ;)

ps: unfortunatly I lost every sign of proof I was there.. no photos, no ticket, not ever a recollection of what they played ...


-> All I want to point out here is that is important you collect as much data as possible about that concert. . try to hunt down tickets/photos ... that will make the cap more valuable .... Proving it is true or not can hardly be done. In the US you have all these fanshops with colletables... from what I saw of them it's hard to tell if it is a real or a fake one?

Well it is not a fan-artice... it is a cap that only THEY wore. My dad confirmed that. It is hand-stitched and th elabel inside displays that company I am about to hunt down now which will confirm that those caps were custom made for the Beatle members.

madmouser
12-04-2002, 11:55 AM
I'd ask for an estimate from one of the big auction houses. The hat could be quite valuable and you'll get a better idea through them.
Christie's is here:
http://www.christies.com/consignments/how_to.asp
Sotheby's Rock and Roll memorabilia department is here:
http://search.sothebys.com/jsps/live/dept/DeptGlobal.jsp?dept_id=104

Good luck!

StarGate
12-04-2002, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by madmouser
I'd ask for an estimate from one of the big auction houses. The hat could be quite valuable and you'll get a better idea through them.
Christie's is here:
http://www.christies.com/consignments/how_to.asp
Sotheby's Rock and Roll memorabilia department is here:
http://search.sothebys.com/jsps/live/dept/DeptGlobal.jsp?dept_id=104

Good luck!

WOW thanks, brillian tlinks... will do right away! :)

PCRob
12-04-2002, 12:24 PM
I'm not attacked the creator of this thread but I think that's just plan stupid.

I don't care HOW much it's worth.. to me it would be priceless because my father gave it to me and it must be important to him if he kept it since 1964.

Money isn't everything. Just my opinion.

madmouser
12-04-2002, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by PCRob
I'm not attacked the creator of this thread but I think that's just plan stupid.

I don't care HOW much it's worth.. to me it would be priceless because my father gave it to me and it must be important to him if he kept it since 1964.

Money isn't everything. Just my opinion.

Money may not be everything but it's usually the only thing landlords and grocery stores accept in payment for rent and food. How important it is depends on how much you've got and what you have to do to get it.
It would not be unusual for a parent to keep something like that specifically because it might be worth a lot someday and it could be passed on as a legacy, source of college funds, inheritance, etc.

StarGate
12-04-2002, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by madmouser


Money may not be everything but it's usually the only thing landlords and grocery stores accept in payment for rent and food. How important it is depends on how much you've got and what you have to do to get it.
It would not be unusual for a parent to keep something like that specifically because it might be worth a lot someday and it could be passed on as a legacy, source of college funds, inheritance, etc.

Yep exactly... called Christies and Sothebys, sent email with pics and snail mails too with photos ;)

Hiccups
12-04-2002, 01:48 PM
Not to take a dig at NocSol for selling it, if he wants to and Dad doesn't mind, fine with me.

But I agree with PCRob in that if it were something like that given to me from my Dad, no way I could bring myself to sell it. I do have things passed down to me from my parents and grandparents that are worth quite a bit of money, but their value to me is much higher than the monetary value because they are part of my family history, and will go to my own kids eventually. Maybe I am too sentimental.

I will be interested to hear what the estimate and final sale amount is though.

Acroplex
12-04-2002, 01:51 PM
Sell it to Michael Jackson, he owns the copyright to several Beatles songs.

madmouser
12-04-2002, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by Hiccups
Not to take a dig at NocSol for selling it, if he wants to and Dad doesn't mind, fine with me.

But I agree with PCRob in that if it were something like that given to me from my Dad, no way I could bring myself to sell it. I do have things passed down to me from my parents and grandparents that are worth quite a bit of money, but their value to me is much higher than the monetary value because they are part of my family history, and will go to my own kids eventually. Maybe I am too sentimental.

I will be interested to hear what the estimate and final sale amount is though.

It depends on how much sentimental value is attached to a particular item. On this one, I'd see it as something that was saved for the increased monetary value. It never really belonged to his father in terms of something he wore or used or that has been passed down through the family.
Sometimes the most memories are attached to very unimportant stuff. I've got some old tools of my father's and kitchen stuff from my mother I wouldn't part with for anything. But a lot of other things I'm going to be selling because I don't need four chafing dishes or 10 silver trays (my parents entertained a lot) and they don't have any sentimental value for me.

Alex[nl]
12-04-2002, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by timechange
Sell it to Michael Jackson, he owns the copyright to several Beatles songs. I thought that was the other way around, Paul McCarthny owns some rights of (Michael) Jackson's songs afaik