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Xecutech
12-04-2002, 06:10 AM
Ok, I am new at this and I know what an IP address is. The question that I have is:
When a reseller plan says that you can have unlimited domains, and they give you 2 ip addresses, do you have to have an ip address for each domain name?
I also would appreciate some referrals since I almost made the mistake of using web-xperts.
Any info is appreciated.
Thanx!

secured
12-04-2002, 06:23 AM
multiple domains -> 1 IP

is what happens.

2 IP's are for nameservers, and most likely your clients domains will be pointed to 1 of your IPs.

bespoke
12-05-2002, 01:22 AM
If you are mainly selling to enduser, you need not need to assign IP address to each domain name.

Simply get them to point their DNS to yours, such as ns1.domain.com and ns2.domain.com. Where the domain.com is your domain name.

Just that doddle.

skelley1
12-05-2002, 01:46 AM
You won't need more IP's unless they need something like a secured site (SSL).

A lot of places will allow you more IP's for free or a small cost if you justify them according to ARIN's rules.

intraweb
12-07-2002, 12:47 AM
I don't mean to be rude, but if you don't know what an IP address is, you need to read up a little more before getting into reselling - or your customers will not get good service.

Maybe get an entry level certification first? I-net+ maybe?
I think you need a little more background, or you may be in for a lot of work.

gl...

jolly
12-09-2002, 09:25 AM
You don't need even IP address for reseller. Previously domains were IP based but now all the browser support name based domain. So now no prob for having mulitple domain on single IP.
As intraweb said better learn something more.....
GoodLuck

DigitalIsles
12-09-2002, 05:20 PM
That is correct, currently when a browser connects to the webserver to request a page, part of the header that it sends is the "Host" header, that tells the server what web page you are requesting. Then the server will use this information to find the page you are looking for and feed it to your browser.

gruffy
12-10-2002, 10:52 PM
It's all fun and games until you get stuck with a spammer's old IP address.

soundguy
12-13-2002, 06:11 AM
I'm no expert, but here's what happens with the type of reseller plan I have:

You get two IPs. They are the addresses of your nameservers. The first one also goes directly to your reseller domain page (the 'primary' account) if someone types the IP in their browser. The second one goes directly to the FIRST resold account/domain you set up. (learned that the hard way).

If you sell a name-based account, it gets 'pointed' to the right place by the nameservers even though it has no IP of its own. (all name-based accounts share the second IP on my reseller account) If you sell an IP-based account, it gets it's very own IP completely unrelated to the first two - this is assuming that you are ALLOWED to sell additional IP-based accounts - not all hosts will let you.

webmiester
12-16-2002, 10:09 PM
Hey soundguy, your web hoster seems kinda generous. May I know who it is?

intraweb
12-16-2002, 10:34 PM
That is a complete waste of IP addresses and a waste of money...

Website Rob
12-16-2002, 11:33 PM
Originally posted by Xecutech
Ok, I am new at this and I know what an IP address is. The question that I have is:
When a reseller plan says that you can have unlimited domains,Run far, run fast. It is a Marketing ploy for the un-aware people and there is no such animal.
and they give you 2 ip addresses,which is required so you can have your own Nameservers. This allows a Reseller to not show who "they" are hosted with -- also known as Anonymous Nameservers.
do you have to have an ip address for each domain name?No. Use one IP for your own Domain Name (known as a Dedicated IP and make sure you get rDNS as well. Ask your Hoster, they'll know what you mean and explain it for you. The other IP address will be shared among the other Domains and setup that way by your Hoster. An IP address can be used for both, Nameserver and Domain Names.
I also would appreciate some referrals since I almost made the mistake of using web-xperts.
Any info is appreciated.Have you asked your friends or other people you know, that already have Web Hosting? Recommendations from people you know, are usually better than recommendations from strangers. ;)

Previously domains were IP based but now all the browser support name based domain.I would beg to differ.

All Domains are still IP based, but software has improved and provides for more flexability on the Server end. It is "Apache" or other Web Hosting software supporting HTTP Protocol 1.1, and "not the Browser" that provides for Name based (Virtual) Hosting.

i am a
12-17-2002, 12:21 AM
hey rob,

browsers need to support HTTP/1.1 as well, which is why using IE or NN 2 won't work with name based hosts...

soundguy
12-17-2002, 04:42 AM
>>That is a complete waste of IP addresses and a waste of money...

Where do you live...1995? :)

Ever hear of IPV6? We're NOT going to run out of addresses so the concept of 'wasting' them is pure fantasy. Once IPV6 becomes ubiquitous, it will be extremely difficult for anyone to justify the current high rates for IP blocks. Name-based domains might be 'all the rage' for vanity sites but they are absolutely worthless for mission-critical applications, services, and businesses. Every time you turn around lately the geek press is reporting more DOS attacks on the root servers. When DNS is down, name-based sites becomes invisible. That's an unacceptible risk for real-time information systems - medical, financial, news sources, intelligence, etc.

Routing via IP is essentially foolproof and has MUCH lower latency than the DNS method anyway. Having to 'justify' one's use of an IP number is total crap. They are literally the 'backbone' of the internet.

MCHost-Marc
12-17-2002, 04:45 AM
Originally posted by soundguy

Where do you live...1995? :)

Ever hear of IPV6? We're NOT going to run out of addresses so the concept of 'wasting' them is pure fantasy.

Well, its getting a little tight right now with IP addresses and IPV6 is not out yet. Even with the new ranges out, the internet is growing very fast and in a few years you may regret that you gave all your clients a custom IP for no real reason. Back in 1995, i've heard people say "we're not going to run out of IPs".

soundguy
12-17-2002, 05:04 AM
>>Well, its getting a little tight right now with IP addresses and IPV6 is not out yet.

In the mean time, they ought to be yanking them back from the early assignees of massive blocks who have never used even 5% of the ones they control. (sort of a 'use it or lose it' quick-fix. That would gain us a couple more years) Most schools are sitting on thousands of unused addresses - some have tens of thousands sitting around.

>>Back in 1995, i've heard people say "we're not going to run out of IPs".


IPV6 doesn't double or triple the numbers of adresses- it gives us 65,000 times more addresses than the 4 billion we already have at our disposal. It's not humanly possible to ever use that kind of address space because there aren't enough resources on the planet to build that many discrete devices. (at least until they perfect molecular computing and start building blue-tooth nanoprobes ... easily 20-30 years away :D) It's not even humanly possible to GRASP that kind of number - OK, maybe there's a rocket scientist somewhere who can, but us REAL people can't...:)

soundguy
12-17-2002, 05:19 AM
>>Hey soundguy, your web hoster seems kinda generous. May I know who it is?

Just someone I found in the 'hosting requests forum' - Cybershouts. They were one of only 2 or 3 outfits who satisfied all of my requirements: IPs on demand, shell access, sendmail, legal adult content, ability to run proxy scripts on occasion, and zero-tolerance for spammers.

Their service is fast & friendly and uptime would probably be 5-nines if I hadn't restarted the server so many times with account creation in the last couple of days. :)