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just curious .. why ?

Originally posted by pattox
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I think he meant delete his own post... not the offer

correct,i made a wrong post

ok deleted :)

40GB of bandwidth ona dedicated server.........hmmmm

Originally posted by gatty
40GB of bandwidth ona dedicated server.........hmmmm

Yes, for $79/mo that is what we offer. Additional bandwidth is available for $.90/GB or $300/Mbps.

http://www.kolanos.com/services/dedicated_bandwidth.htm

for 79 $ per month I can purchase a dedicated server with a 40GB hard drive and 300GB of bandwidth, although cpanel is not included, I think it's a 35 dollar upgrade...

One of my virtual hosting accounts has more then that...but o well :p

Originally posted by gatty
for 79 $ per month I can purchase a dedicated server with a 40GB hard drive and 300GB of bandwidth, although cpanel is not included, I think it's a 35 dollar upgrade...

One of my virtual hosting accounts has more then that...but o well :p

How your provider can maintain profitability is a mystery to me, I wouldn't expect them to be around too long if they aren't atleast striking even. My guess is they are using Cogent, because 300GB for $79 is not economically sustainable without using a provider like Cogent.

We do not oversell our services...while with other services you get what you pay for, with us you get what you pay for and more. Quality over quantity.

I wish you well with your endeavors, I hope your provider knows what they're doing. Have a good one.

I just want to pitch in and say that 35 GB of multi-homed , non-cogent bandwidth [if it is measured at 5 min MRTG actuals] is indeed a very good deal.

I have a server like that which I use as a mail server and the reliability has been outstanding and support nothing less than superlative [not from kolanos] but I would respect a provider who refuses to lower his prices or oversell.

@webhost has been around for a while :D

Originally posted by gatty
@webhost has been around for a while :D
I've heard good things about @webhost and I am not going to comment on their service as there would be a clear conflict of interest, but they do use Cogent for their bandwidth and their web-site clearly states this.

Some people don't mind Cogent bandwidth, some people do. Cogent oversells their capacity to get the lowest price possible, this is how @webhost is able to offer 300GB for so little. Some have expressed legitimate concerns that Cogent overselling their capacity they've hurt the performance of their connections due to heavy-load, resulting in 80-90ms pings for many of Cogent's routers, which is 50-60ms slower than what we generally experience on our backbones.

Now, @webhost does not offer actual dedicated servers for $79, like you say. They offer "Semi-Dedicated Server" which from the description I take to be Virtual Dedicated Server (or VDS). This is not the same as what we offer, we offer a server dedicated to you and you alone. @webhost's Semi-Dedicated Servers take a dedicated server and divide it among a number of parties (my guess 2-4, but that is speculation), it's kind of like high-end virtual hosting. The server specifications they describe for this service are shared, not dedicated to you alone.

Mind you they do offer actual dedicated servers as well, but those start at $99.

getty, I would appreciate it if you not mislead people in our thread. I am glad that you are happy with your service at @webhost, so why interfere with our thread?

hey,
Well I wont go into the bandwidth issue (as your 100% correct), and regarding the hosting company in question, they have a dedicated server (no cpanel) for $79 a month.

And I am currently not a client of them :D

Originally posted by gatty hey,
Well I wont go into the bandwidth issue (as your 100% correct), and regarding the hosting company in question, they have a dedicated server (no cpanel) for $79 a month.

And I am currently not a client of them :D
You may not be a customer of @webhost's, but your site does utilize Cogent. Here's what I get atleast:

traceroute to gatty.net (64.83.113.229), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
5 64.124.11.181.cogentco.com (64.124.11.181) 22.303 ms 24.534 ms 22.660 ms
6 p6-0.core01.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.145) 25.989 ms 21.919 ms 28.286 ms
7 p4-0.core01.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.94) 25.816 ms 24.733 ms 23.501 ms
8 p13-0.core01.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.73) 36.116 ms 35.857 ms 35.221 ms
9 p5-0.core01.san01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.78) 67.386 ms 67.846 ms 68.786 ms
10 p6-0.core01.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.5) 64.766 ms 68.520 ms 69.150 ms
11 p15-0.core01.tpa01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.46) 91.245 ms 90.729 ms 91.000 ms
12 p5-0.core01.mia01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.57) 92.627 ms 92.648 ms 92.068 ms
13 g0-2.na01.b006097-0.mia01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.250.11.22) 94.393 ms 93.146 ms 98.491 ms
14 NetFree.demarc.cogentco.com (38.112.0.170) 93.670 ms 92.342 ms 92.208 ms
15 64.83.113.229 (64.83.113.229) 94.484 ms 93.763 ms 93.890 ms

Do you have a link to this $79 plan that @wehost offers? I'd be interested in seeing it.

My point is that we believe our pricing is competitive while not compromising our quality of service.

yes, i agree abut you compromising your services, and my domain is currently held on a temporary virtual account hosted by a company (which i wont mention :p ) that uses @webhost's dedicated server's....

The plan is a special, after talkng to a sales rep on aim you just go and order, it's also listed in there forums....

The plan is something like:

NOT TOTALLY SURE OF BOX STATS
Linux - Red Hat 6.3 (i think)
300GB monthly bandwidth
40GB harddrive
Semi-Managed
No cpanel/WHM

$79 per month, free setup, and cpanel i *think* is about 35 dollars extra

Originally posted by gatty
The plan is something like:

NOT TOTALLY SURE OF BOX STATS
Linux - Red Hat 6.3 (i think)
300GB monthly bandwidth
40GB harddrive
Semi-Managed
No cpanel/WHM

$79 per month, free setup, and cpanel i *think* is about 35 dollars extra

And it doesnt require some level of prepayment or something alone those lines? A contract maybe? Because the hardware alone it would take them atleast three months to break-even; the bandwidth, as long as quality isn't a primary concern is kind of a non-issue.

no contracts or pre-payment...

Just out of curiosity....

The bandwidth issue, if bandwidth was a high priorty....for example a website needing 100GB of bandwidth a month, would Cogentco be THAT bad?

Well, I hope they have their math right because those are some dangerously slim margins

Originally posted by kolanos


How your provider can maintain profitability is a mystery to me, I wouldn't expect them to be around too long if they aren't atleast striking even. My guess is they are using Cogent, because 300GB for $79 is not economically sustainable without using a provider like Cogent.



I pay less then that for a meg from Verio and Level3.... Lots and lots of providers are under $75/meg when you purchase in quantity.

I would suggest you talk to Evan @ Transit Broker (evan@transitbroker.com), he worked our deals out for us, and has done good for others as well.

Originally posted by gatty
Just out of curiosity....

The bandwidth issue, if bandwidth was a high priorty....for example a website needing 100GB of bandwidth a month, would Cogentco be THAT bad?
Well, consider that for $2,000/mo Cogent offers 100Mbit/s, or ~$0.06/GB. When there are thousands of customers with 100Mb/s pipes on a 1000Gb/s backbone network you're anticipating a load that just 10 customers could saturate. With the heavy-load on these backbones the ping times go up because there's more data that needs to pass through an already saturated network and it takes several miliseconds longer than a network that is using even 90% of its network capacity, performance usually only drops when the capacity is surpassed.

It's kind of like musical chairs, your data needs to get in line so to speak because the capacity isn't there for it to pass freely. Another thing Cogent does it route through its network alone whenever possible. The reason why they do this is to keep their costs down, instead of routing through another carrier's network to get to its destiantion (and paying that network's rate) Cogent will follow its own route, even if it isn't the fastest route to get you to your destination.

I hope that makes ense.

I love it when competitors take indirect shots at us :rolleyes:

Originally posted by JamesA
I love it when competitors take indirect shots at us :rolleyes:

That was not an indirect shot, I said in an earlier post that I've heard good things about your company.

Any other comments were on the subject of Cogent, not @webhost. It might be a good idea to read the full thread before posting.

gatty asked what made Cogent different and why they could price their bandwidth so low. I believe I gave a fair and honest answer. If you disagree I encourage you to share with us your insight since your company is actually a customer of theirs.

We are not a customer of theirs, my description of how they are able to offer their service at their price is based on the explanations I've received from the backbone companies that Cogent has leased lines from. I consider them a reputable source, but I am not ruling out that you may know more than I.

I recognize the conflict of interest and I realize that this could be considered a touchy subject. I believe I have been careful with my words, and I welcome your view. If you prefer to discuss this in private we can do that as well.