Hi, I have a doubt and i hope it can be cleared here.

Previously i hosted my domain with Just Host Ltd and used their registrar as my domain registrar (pipeDNS) . Currently my domain should be expired which is on 11th Feb but i had requested my registrar to unlock the domain and the EPP code for transfer process. And my service provider did it accurately and when i do a whois for my domain there are expiration date but the status is active.

My new registrar is refusing the transfer with reason expiring domain name and expired domain can't be transferred.

Can anyone clear me or tell me that if this make sense at all?

Regards,
GiLli

I think if your domain has expired then you can not transfer it. This is an ICANN official restriction which allows no exceptions.

All you would be able to do is renew with the current registrar and then transfer it

When your domain expire you have one month to renew. After this period domain will be released. Your domain registrator will not lock your domain simply.

Acording to ICANN it is an illegal act :-

My domain name has just expired. Can my registrar require me to pay for a renewal before I can transfer to a new registrar?
No. Your new registrar of choice can initiate a transfer request on an expired domain name once they receive the required authorization from you. Expiration or nonrenewal of a domain name is not a valid reason for denial of a transfer request.
Note that if the registrar has already begun the deletion process on the domain name and its status shows it to be within a 30-day Redemption Grace Period, the name must be .restored. by your current registrar before it can be transferred.

www icann org/en/transfers/dnholder-faq-03nov04.htm

Most registrars do not allow you to transfer out once the domain has expired, you have to renew it first.

But the domain status is ACTIVE / OK

checked with NetFirms and OnlineNIC and they said it is eligible for transfer. What's your comments?

I know: to transfer your domain name you will need to renew this domain name on existing domain name registrar and then transfer this domain name to the new registrar

Can't we do anything legally as ICANN already mentioned it is illegal ?

www icann org/en/transfers/policy-en.htm

5.No payment for previous registration period (including credit card charge-backs) if the domain name is past its expiration date or for previous or current registration periods if the domain name has not yet expired. In all such cases, however, the domain name must be put into "Registrar Hold" status by the Registrar of Record prior to the denial of transfer.

expiring domain name and expired domain can't be transferred.

Transfer of domain names can only be done at least 7 days before the expiration date of the domain name. but again, that depends on your current registrar.

If you still want to transfer it, you have to renew it first in your current registrar.

There is a lot of bunkum in this thread. It's ICANN policy to allow expired domain to be transfered. But then if your Registrar says they don't allow it, don't expect ICANN to help you out. Your best bet is to renew it at the current registrar and then transfer it. There is no money lost because you'll be paying to renew and transfer and you'll get 2 years extra on your expiration date. Frankly, if the domain is not worth paying for (effectively) 2 renewals to get it away from your current registrar, then this thread is also a waste of time.

There is a lot of bunkum in this thread. It's ICANN policy to allow expired domain to be transfered. But then if your Registrar says they don't allow it, don't expect ICANN to help you out. Your best bet is to renew it at the current registrar and then transfer it. There is no money lost because you'll be paying to renew and transfer and you'll get 2 years extra on your expiration date. Frankly, if the domain is not worth paying for (effectively) 2 renewals to get it away from your current registrar, then this thread is also a waste of time.

Well said. After all i just experienced the current registrar ( by all means referring to their reseller - pipeDNS ) denials only by communication when in fact the domain status it self is eligible for transfer. And some more, the domain transfer is initiated and once it is confirmed, they can't cancel it (according to techsupport of ENOM INC ).

And referring to pipeDNS, they said the domain status is OK and it should be no problems upon transfer as it is intiated and authorized by domain owner.However if there's still issue regarding transfer they asked to update them so they can assist.

So.. it can be transferred right? Does it make sense at all?

I've transfered expired domains without trouble, but some registrars don't allow you to transfer away if the domain is expired, it depends on the registrar, but it can be done if the registrar wants.

I read the problem is the new registrar refusing to initiate the transfer, the registrar is wrong, it can be transfered. (who is the current registrar? with name.com i didn't have problems transfering away expired domains)

If you are going to renew in the current registrar, don't transfer away after 45 days, of the renewal will be cancelled and you will pay 2 years but receive only one.
Renew, wait 45 days, and transfer away

I'm now dealing with Netfirms. Status shows that it pending action from dropping registrar.

I need someone to help me regarding the status :-

From Robtex :-

Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.enom.com
Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
Name Server: NS1.PIPEDNS.COM
Name Server: NS2.PIPEDNS.COM
Status: ok <--- this is for the NS @ WHois server @ actual domain status?
Updated Date: 11-feb-2009
Creation Date: 11-feb-2009
Expiration Date: 11-feb-2010

>>> Last update of whois database: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:31:46 UTC <<<

NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the
registrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry is
currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expiration
date of the domain name registrant's agreement with the sponsoring
registrar. Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois database to
view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration.

Status: Active

Name Servers:
ns1.pipedns.com
ns2.pipedns.com

Creation date: 11 Feb 2009 19:33:40
Expiration date: 11 Feb 2010 19:33:40



From ENOM ( losing registrar )

Nameserver:
NS1.PIPEDNS.COM
NS2.PIPEDNS.COM

Updated-date: 2010-02-12 18:08:03.000

Created-date: 2009-02-11 19:33:40.000

Registration-expiration-date: 2011-02-11 19:33:40.000

Status: pendingTransfer


From NetFirms ( gaining registrar )

Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.enom.com
Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
Name Server: NS1.PIPEDNS.COM
Name Server: NS2.PIPEDNS.COM
Status: ok <--- this is for the NS @ WHois server @ actual domain status?
Updated Date: 12-feb-2010
Creation Date: 11-feb-2009
Expiration Date: 11-feb-2011

>>> Last update of whois database: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:38:57 UTC <<<

NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the
registrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry is
currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expiration
date of the domain name registrant's agreement with the sponsoring
registrar. Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois database to
view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration.


Status: Locked

Name Servers:
dns1.name-services.com
dns2.name-services.com
dns3.name-services.com
dns4.name-services.com
dns5.name-services.com

Creation date: 11 Feb 2009 19:33:40
Expiration date: 11 Feb 2010 19:33:40


Anyone?

It looks like it's successfully been transferred. It might just be it may take an hour before it's in your account.

Yes, finally I got an e-mail from losing registrar saying that the transfer request is received and will be completed by 17 Feb.

My Mission Is Success. You can transfer your expired domain! ( Only if your registrar allows. If they don't, file a transfer dispute at internic.com ) Hahaha.

dispute won't help. icann allows to prohibit transfer of expired domains (allows but doesn't obligate) :)

"upon denying a transfer request for any of the following reasons, the Registrar of Record must provide the Registered Name Holder and the potential Gaining Registrar with the reason for denial. The Registrar of Record may deny a transfer request only in the following specific instances:
[...]
No payment for previous registration period (including credit card charge-backs) if the domain name is past its expiration date or for previous or current registration periods if the domain name has not yet expired. In all such cases, however, the domain name must be put into "Registrar Hold" status by the Registrar of Record prior to the denial of transfer.
[..]
"

so basically if registrar lock is removed and you have your epp, you should be able to transfer out without issues.

so basically if registrar lock is removed and you have your epp, you should be able to transfer out without issues.


That's right, after all, my domain is now transferred successfully without any problems.

Thanks to both parties : pipeDNS and NetFirms.

Regards,
GiLli

.... and to the members in this thread :)

.... and to the members in this thread :)

ye.. with all kind of respects..:agree: