Copied from the Spenix - Customer Support FAQ:


Do you allow any right-wing content?
Unfortunately due to the increased risk of DDOS attacks and to ensure the reliability of our clients we will not host any right-wing content, this includes racist websites.


Whle the general consensus is those such as racist groups lean towards the right, how does this classify the entire "right-wing" party being held in a negative light? Heck, racism doesn't require one to be a democrat, republican, socialist, libertarian or communist. Just as there are racists organizations associated with "right wing" parties, there are as well those in the "left wing" parties per what your defining would seem to be.

Your (admitted right) to not serving these people does such, IMO. It may not be what you intended but and taking that into consideration I would strongly suggest the wording in this particular section of your FAQ be changed. "Do you allow any radical/anarchist/objectivist/etc. content..." sounds more suitable to what you are looking to achieve.

Many open-minded individuals have no problems grouping everyday conservatives and liberals as apart of the right and left wings respectively. You seem to alienate those mentioned in the former. It is totally different to lean towards the far-right or far-left.

It might be me, but why is this posted here and not f.e. told using e-mail or PM?

That could be said of half the post that appear on WHT. I posted it here as I think not only does it need to be brought to the attention of Matt, but others as well. My opinion may be in the minority and if so I think it is rightful for that to be known. Just as I'd feel as if my opinion were in the majority. I'm sure Spenix offers wonderful services and I'm just hoping they don't let something of this nature ruin their reputation in the future.

its his company, he can host who and what he wants <PERIOD>

Originally posted by Jeff Rambo
Your (admitted right) to not serving these people does such, IMO. [/B]

I'm not disputing that, AW. I just believe he is incorrect in his labeling to an extreme extent.

Originally posted by Jeff Rambo
My opinion may be in the minority and if so I think it is rightful for that to be known. Just as I'd feel as if my opinion were in the majority. I'm sure Spenix offers wonderful services and I'm just hoping they don't let something of this nature ruin their reputation in the future. I did not intend to say anything regarding the contents of your reply, but since it concerned the host only I thought maybe it was easiets for everybody to do this in private...

And I do agree far more topics should be nominated for that .. especially the "hey my . . . server is down for 10 minutes now" threads...

IMHO, When I start reselling I certainly won't allow ANY hate groups of any kind on my web servers. I agree that the apparent inference that "right-wing" groups are the sole perveyors of racism is stupid. There's about as many nutjobs on the left as there is on the right.

I would have just used the term "Hate Groups" or "Extremist Groups". That covers the whole spectrum - from the KKK to the ELF.

Matt is not from the US. We have no republican/democrat party here. Right-winged has a different meaning here then it does in the US.

In fact he didn't even use the word "party" you assumed he ment that and added it yourself.

Posting this here has no purpose other then creating a negative thread about spenix.com

In no way were my intentions geared towards causing a bad name for Matt and/or Spenix. I should have placed thought towards Matt residing in another country prior to posting my comments and your post clearly supports that. It was ignorance on my part for not taking that into consideration and I have no problem admitting it.

I would like to clarify that I wasn't attempting to add words to the mix intentionally, but being from the states, it is natural to associate left wing/right wing with party this and party that. It was a faux paus on my part. My apologies.

I realize that the context of the section in question is different based on geography and as a visitor from the states looking at the services offered by Spenix, I took it negatively. Others may not have done so. I would simply suggest the wording be changed to better phrase what he is trying to convey. My suggestions along with CyberBabe's are a start.

Australia? Try the UK ;)

And ofcourse you are a bit right. If you assume that it means he won't host a republican site then a potential customer from the US could draw the same conclusion and pass on this host (at least if they are republicans. Democrats would just love him I guess :D )

Still... make a post about it? *scratches head* Oh well

Originally posted by Pilgrim
Australia? Try the UK ;)

I know, Pilgrim. I corrected it right before you posted this. LOL It's been a long day and I'm stuck working on Thanksgiving and I've been away from my fiance since Sunday and won't see her until tomorrow. I'm not thinking straight and I've been making mistake after mistake. There are people who are far worse off than I, but it still sucks.

Thanks for the spot check though.

Would website that says something bad about bush be consider tobe "DOS" threat? I mean there are always people who are willing to kill you or DOS or whatever because your point of few is diffrent... should everything be banned because it pisses someone off in one way or other?
Also where do you draw a line where u can let people not give some1 service because of their belives and where u cant... racism is wrong yes... i agree that person have right not to give racist people service... But going back to say cold war... people who had opinion of "what are we doing we shouldent fight russians or/and pointed out lies some polititions were saying" were basicly band from all sort of media and some went to jail for "supporting" communism... that was same point of few to alot of people... we wont give you service because you few might piss off the public... Or how about gay community... same thing... My point is you can find a lot of people that might be hated... Yet there is a line where it has to be stopped...


Just a question... I agree that i might not be right... :]

I am not saying anything.. personally i think racists should have their brains smashed... it might fix them... I mean i dont see point in been racist... They say that Jews and black are not human and thats why they hate them... yet chicken isnt human either... do you hate chicken? I Personally love chicken... especially Seseami chicken... MMMMmmmmMMMMMM... I want to see a chicken hater group... someone give me link to a chicken hating group... i have few words i like to tell them....

I could create a chicken hater group if you really want to flame one...:eek:
I agree with what this thread has to say. In the replies too. 1st, you should always make sure that you cater your website to visitors from other countries. So, the owner of this website should make sure he is not using language (if you will) that will be misunderstood by people from other countries (especially in critical places on sites where money is exchanged, such as an FAQ on a host's website). 2nd, I also agree that making a post about it was...an off idea.
My 2 small denominations of the currency of your choice ;)

I think there's a lot of good points being made here in terms of how one should approach the sensitive issue of what content to allow, and what not to allow. Unfortunately, as a web host you must take into consideration the possibility that there will be those who can't accept another persons right to express themselves freely (regardless of how disgusting and reprehensible those expressions may be to some people).

The thing about America is that freedom of speech is like the Holy Grail. While some group's opinion may be considered reprehensible to most Americans, the idea that they can't be allowed to voice their opinions is considered even more reprehensible. So much so that you will have leftist groups such as the ACLU going to court on behalf of racist groups to protect their right to free speech. Here in Canada (and Europe) there is a tendency to suppress opinions that are considered offensive. Some countries such as France even ban some forms of hate speech.

All of this goes into the mix and regardless of how one feels about freedom of speech, if your servers go down because of DDoS attacks I doubt you'll be forgiven by your customers because you supported free speech. It's somewhat sad that it's like that but it's reality.

Wow, some people need lives.

Originally posted by Michael M
Wow, some people need lives.

There you go! Admitting you have a problem is the first step to fixing your problem Michael. You might want to try AdultFriendFinder.Com though, I think most of the lives here are already taken :D

Originally posted by Michael M
Wow, some people need lives. No. This is a worthwhile thread. Although, if it were generic in nature, it may be better received. But, since it is drawing attention to the Spenix site, it is what it is. A discussion about common verbage having different meanings in different cultures and how that can damage your business.
As this host, most likely, wants to sell to more than clients in the UK, it is to his advantage to implement the suggestions given. And for all others to heed the advice here.