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Chris009
11-28-2002, 03:43 AM
I'm looking at the P4 plan at $119/month on both companies. Which one should I go with? nocster or dedicatednow???

Thanks

netdude
11-28-2002, 04:52 AM
nocster by a mile... i'd say better b/w... n the company been around a lot longer i think... hehe... nocster owned by burst... which been around 4+ yrs... with a good rep... heh

coight
11-28-2002, 05:03 AM
dedicatednow nothing beats nac :)

FHDave
11-28-2002, 05:10 AM
Originally posted by Myacen
nothing beats nac :)


Glurp ... If you say "Nothing Beats Internap", I can still take it.
But NAC? ah come on ... that's an insult to Internap, Inflow, etc ;)

jayglate
11-28-2002, 05:32 AM
Actually dedicatednow which is a subdivision of pegasus has been in business since late 1997. NAC's network map and network is far better than bursts/nocsters. Also in 1-2 weeks new dual OC12's are being lite.

Originally posted by netdude
nocster by a mile... i'd say better b/w... n the company been around a lot longer i think... hehe... nocster owned by burst... which been around 4+ yrs... with a good rep... heh

SaLanHost
11-28-2002, 06:01 AM
We are from Vietnam, we have 1 server at Nocsters and 1 server at Dedicated Now. NAC is fast than bursts/nocsters with connecting from Vietnam.

tazzy
11-28-2002, 08:31 AM
Hello,

Dedicatednow out of those two and "nothing beats NAC" ... maybe nothing in the price range but NAC isn't the best setup in the world. I'd rather go with InterNAP pure .. rather than have InterNAP in a mix whereby it isn't primary. I get good speeds from NAC because AOL directly connects to NAC :D:thumb:

BurstNET
11-28-2002, 10:03 AM
<< the company been around a lot longer i think... hehe... nocster owned by burst... which been around 4+ yrs >>


Actually our company has been around almost 12 years...since June 1991.

<< NAC's network map and network is far better than bursts/nocsters >>

More providers does not necessarily mean a better network.
BurstNET also owns it's own data center making it a Tier 2 provider, unlike most companys.


Sean R.
BurstNET
System Administration

Dartan
11-28-2002, 10:17 AM
I would recommend Nocster/BurstNET theyre phone support is awesome.

Plus theres always somebody on AIM to help :stickout:

dwscenter
11-28-2002, 10:52 AM
I have a box with both providers and cant really say one is better than the other. Support from both is great, and ping times to DedicatedNow is faster than Nocster for me in PA but not by much about a difference of 5ms difference on a traceroute

So basically if I were you I would just do pings etc to the servers and see which you have the better connectivity too, as they both are great for support

Tom

FHDave
11-28-2002, 11:00 AM
I would suggest to download PingPlotter (pingplotter.com) and do real time pings to both of them, not just for hours, but for 2 days and see how their network are.

ideafusion
11-28-2002, 12:04 PM
I have a box with both DedicatedNow and Nocster both companies are great.

I like the aim support in nocster as you can normally get a quick answer on any topic and I have to give credit to them for adding more people lately which means there is normally always someone online 24/7 now.

I have heard that this feature or something similar is being added soon to dedicatednow and I am sure that it will be great also. The support tickets for dedicatednow are handled quickly and even though both companies don't offer phone support they have been gracious in the past and answered the phone when I needed.

I'll also will be completely honest a $0 setup fee and the unreal $19.95 a month cpanel pricing which both companies offered during specials let me try there services it is an easy way to see how a host is going to perform. I probably would have never known about either of these services with their normal setup rates. But now can see the value what they offer.

I believe both companies are not just content with the status quo but are agressively working to offer even better service and support and that is a win win for any customer. You most definately are not just a number with both of these companies, they treat you like a customer should be treated regardless of the price you have paid.

I have been with nocster the longest three months and dedicatednow since they opened 23 days ago, time will tell how they perform over the long haul and for me right now that is the most information I can give you in your decision between the two.

rusko
11-28-2002, 12:48 PM
dedicatednow hands down.

Simone
11-28-2002, 02:14 PM
If you need a secondary hard drive for backup go to dedicated now it's more cost effective in long run.
However I have servers at burst and at dedicated now.

Rudzer
11-28-2002, 02:33 PM
On dedicated now website it says $0 setup fees on new servers...but on the pricing part it shows up:

$399 Setup

...

Anybody care to explain!

What support methods does dedicatednow use (ICQ, msn,etc...)?

aah-jim
11-28-2002, 02:40 PM
The $0 setup fee only applied for the first 50 orders when they opened, they've now started to charge setup fees,
I think that they have ICQ and email support,
although I havent been able to get responses from either :D

netdude
11-28-2002, 05:08 PM
o... don't forget... "DCJN" bandwidth... based on cogent, not some premium provider... add to that... i bet you at&t/sprint/etc has a better backbone than nac... n thats what burst is based around... i mean... cogent is in the mix, but i have never seen it in a traceroute from anywhere but other cogent servers...

mdrussell
11-28-2002, 05:44 PM
Err, DCJN isn't based on Cogent - infact it is defunct right now anyway.

It's a subset of the main NAC network (when active) that uses some of the lower cost bandwidth providers.

Do a search on Pwebtech and Burst - should give you an idea of which company not to go with.

MattF
11-28-2002, 06:23 PM
On a side note, DCJN is not low cost bandwidth. NAC has vast network consisting of over 100 major private and public peering arrangements in various locations across the US and globally.

Infact, if you traceroute to NAC you more than likely seeing a connection via a peer, hence the low number of hops and great speeds. For example NAC peers directly with NTL in the UK.

Something like 78% (IIRC) goes directly to one of the peer. With the remaining traffic going across various transit providers for the main NAC network. With DCJN the setup is similar with Cogent as the transit provider and in the event of Cogent failure (which will affect ~20%) the main NAC transit carriers (again IIRC). Hence it's a pretty robust setup.

Ask Burst what type of global peering they have.

MattF
11-28-2002, 06:50 PM
but i have never seen it in a traceroute from anywhere but other cogent servers...

Another note, DedicatedNow are currently not using DCJN bandwidth, they are using NAC bandwidth, they are due to switch over to DCJN within the next week or the next. IP Addresses etc... will remain the same, there just might be some more Cogent showing up here and there as transit, rather than the odd direct peering connection which you are experiencing above (simply because it's the fastestroute).

mdrussell
11-28-2002, 06:57 PM
Last I heard the switch back to DCJN wasn't going to be any time soon.

richy
11-28-2002, 08:25 PM
dedicated now 100% my 1st choice. i dont like bursts network issues , i dont like an sla that is worded so that theyre virtually never liable, i dont like their attitude in the past with cybersquatting. i could go on lol but at the end of the day i fell dn is the better product anyway.
burst may be good, nocster is burst without the frills.
run fixedorbit on the two and run your own tests. run som traces from around the globe \ country.

Andrew
11-28-2002, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by netdude
o... don't forget... "DCJN" bandwidth... based on cogent, not some premium provider... add to that... i bet you at&t/sprint/etc has a better backbone than nac... n thats what burst is based around... i mean... cogent is in the mix, but i have never seen it in a traceroute from anywhere but other cogent servers...

I don't believe that's true about DCJN being cogent based. There is a slim possiblity that you are correct, but we should really find out before you say things like that.

Dunno about singing the praises of AT&T bandwidth either...from my experience, I'd take cogent's sometime high latency over AT&T's ALWAYS high latency any day of the week...

phantasywork
11-28-2002, 10:19 PM
Dedicatednow :beer: , we currently have several servers there and are very happy with the experince so far. We were with nocster for over 6 months and it was okay , the past month and few weeks really made us think we needed a better provider , the billing and support have gotten horriable lately with Burst.

Lyron of dedicatednow even worked with us for several hrs and went above and beyond his call of duty as we had a main HD failure a few days into one of our boxes and he made sure everything was in tip top shape , Matt has always been most helpful also with any questions or concens and has always kept us in the loop from the get go .

rusko
11-28-2002, 10:30 PM
netdude,

dcjn has a bgp preference set to nac peers and only after that cogent. i havent seen *anything* going over cogent to/from boxen on dcjn, *including* traffic to/from boxes on cogent. and another thing, im getting 20-30 ms pings to dnow and a couple people in europe are getting 80-90 ms.

SaLanHost
11-28-2002, 11:07 PM
it is too early to assert DedicatedNow better than Nocster, but I vote 55% for DedicatedNow & 45% for Nocster with my research.

Alan - Vox
11-28-2002, 11:50 PM
it is too early to assert DedicatedNow better than Nocster, but I vote 55% for DedicatedNow & 45% for Nocster with my research

Its just like comparin pwebtech to burst, who would you chose?

SaLanHost
11-29-2002, 12:10 AM
Ofcourse, I will choose pwebtech if server's feartures and prices the same.

pcsteve
11-29-2002, 12:17 AM
Alan made a good point. However, it seems that DedicatedNow website is lacking alot of information about their service. This makes me wonder whats up....

it's kinda annoying....just like when you go into a store and can't find the price on that shirt you really want to buy .....

Well, i can't find any info about support and blah blah blah..etc

hrmm. :cartman:

StevenG
11-29-2002, 01:50 AM
Websites do not mean anything.. connectivity, good support when needed, good billing, dedicatednow have those features - Burst however seem to have more complaints in those areas.. but they have been around longer.. or is pwebtech not a consideration? I would choose dedicatednow over burst, but that's just my opinion :D

clockwork
11-29-2002, 02:27 AM
Originally posted by lightnin

Dunno about singing the praises of AT&T bandwidth either...from my experience, I'd take cogent's sometime high latency over AT&T's ALWAYS high latency any day of the week...

I've always found ATT to be decent in regards to latency. This is talking from experience in the NYC area (ds3) and west cost (cable inet). I'm able to get <40ms all along the west coast using att cable even. I get <30ms to Internap in Seattle, 35ms to XO in Irvine, 30-40ms to HE.net, and so on. And most of the above never travel 100% through ATT, it leaves after a handfull of hops out.

I get 70ms latency from Oregon to Pennsylvania (burst.net) which isn't too bad for traveling across the country! :)

swijaya0101
11-29-2002, 05:24 AM
so far i never encountered any problem with nocster servers ...

cactus
11-29-2002, 07:39 AM
No offence to DedicatedNow, I would just say that since getting a server from nocster/bursnet, I am very satisfied with the performance, reliability of the server and excellent support.


I am not asking for too much, as long as they can provide reasonable support when I need it, good and reliable connectivity 24/7 and have good monitoring system of my server
should suffice for me.

DarktidesNET
11-29-2002, 08:16 AM
Nocster's been great so far but I put in an order for ips/ram upgrade like Monday/Tuesday and haven't recieved it yet =/

I'm guessing it's because of Thanksgiving maybe ... but either way it said 24hrs.

Other than that, I've not had any problems with my nocster server.

twrs
11-29-2002, 01:56 PM
Speed wise, I've found dedicatednow's dcjn network is much faster than Burst and I like its vast peering. Been with dedicatednow for two weeks now and so far so good.

Rudzer
11-29-2002, 06:33 PM
IMHO I think the non-setup promotion should had prollonged longer since they are a new company (I know i know pwebtech...)

richy
11-29-2002, 06:54 PM
they shouldnt still be advertising it on their site lol its a bit of a downer, 'heres what you could have saved last week' style. otherwise they are easily better.

jayglate
11-29-2002, 07:09 PM
Monday we have a new site coming out with the updated pricing.


Originally posted by richy
they shouldnt still be advertising it on their site lol its a bit of a downer, 'heres what you could have saved last week' style. otherwise they are easily better.

DarktidesNET
11-29-2002, 08:53 PM
I don't know how fast dedicatednow is speed wise but I pulled 3.7MB/s off my nocster box from uunet on a 15mb file. It was increasing up to 4.x I could tell but that damn file went so quick it never got there. ;-) On my other ded servers I'm lucky to hit 800KB/s - 1.1MB/s. Actually, even downloading a 40mb file from sun.com I hit 2.8MB/s on my nocster box.

That's pretty f'n fast IMO.

Rudzer
11-29-2002, 09:10 PM
Choices choices...well guess the new high setup fee will help me up decide ;)

mainarea
11-30-2002, 07:09 PM
Remember, Nocster is a managed provider, Dedicated Now is not. Both have good networks, but Nocster has higher upgrade prices, I believe. I had no experience managing a server, so I went with Nocster, and they've been great so far. CPanel for $20/month at either place can't be beat though!

- Matt

mdrussell
11-30-2002, 07:13 PM
DedicatedNow boxes are managed too I believe.

Chris009
12-02-2002, 06:41 PM
Thanks guys for the responses, I have decided to go with nocster since it has longer history and reputation. In the last couple days, i've been contacting both companies to see how fast their reponses are, well...nocters won! Also, I really did think about going with DedicatedNow since they have better upgrade prices, and a bit more bandwidth but their site is so lack of info, all support go to 1 email, no phone, not a very organized operation I think, i don't feel very safe to go with them honestly 'cause everything relies on email.

But don't get me wrong, it's my 2nd choice if i didn't go with nocster.

Originally posted by voxtreme-matt
DedicatedNow boxes are managed too I believe.

Matt, I already verified with DN, their servers are NOT managed, btw...

Regards

Rudzer
12-02-2002, 07:59 PM
Chris009 - also did that "see who answers first" test and nocster also won ;)

jayglate
12-02-2002, 08:14 PM
It was thanksgiving weekend all sales staff was on furlow, so I wouldn't be so quick to judge our reponse times.

Originally posted by Rudzer
Chris009 - also did that "see who answers first" test and nocster also won ;)

BurstNET
12-02-2002, 09:11 PM
It was Thanksgiving here in Pennsylvania as well :-)

Sean R.
BurstNET
System Administration

JonL
12-02-2002, 09:36 PM
MOD: Please delete my post.

cactus
12-02-2002, 09:58 PM
Yeah, their support is excellent, when my server was acting funny I submitted some support tickets and it was attended speedily and promptly. Great value for money in my opinion and you can't go wrong with Nocster/Burstnet

mainarea
12-02-2002, 10:25 PM
It basically comes down to whether you need a managed server or not...

jayglate
12-02-2002, 10:29 PM
We never said they werne't supported, managed really has no true meaning. As mentioned we will support around 95% of your issues.

Originally posted by mainarea
It basically comes down to whether you need a managed server or not...

mainarea
12-02-2002, 11:17 PM
Jason,

I understand that. I like to have things in writing though, just so I can be sure that if something happens, or I need something done, there is always somebody to do help me with it, or do it for me. I'm not a linux administrator, and don't have the time to learn everything there is to know about linux systems (although I now know a lot, and am constantly learning).

Recap of features:
Setup fees are high at both places (except for original DedicatedNow launch, and Nocster sales, where setup is $0)
Both have decent/excellent networks
Both are reputable companies
300GB transfer (Nocster) vs. 500GB transfer

It's basically a choice of the level of management you need, as well as bandwidth and what company you'd like to deal with.

- Matt

jayglate
12-03-2002, 12:41 AM
But then again you don't always get what is in writing either, and I would disagree to where it comes down to what level of management you want, 95% of your issues would i believe account for 99% of the people out there in terms of technical reques they will put in.

Originally posted by mainarea
Jason,

I understand that. I like to have things in writing though, just so I can be sure that if something happens, or I need something done, there is always somebody to do help me with it, or do it for me. I'm not a linux administrator, and don't have the time to learn everything there is to know about linux systems (although I now know a lot, and am constantly learning).

Recap of features:
Setup fees are high at both places (except for original DedicatedNow launch, and Nocster sales, where setup is $0)
Both have decent/excellent networks
Both are reputable companies
300GB transfer (Nocster) vs. 500GB transfer

It's basically a choice of the level of management you need, as well as bandwidth and what company you'd like to deal with.

- Matt

pcsteve
12-03-2002, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by jayglate
We never said they werne't supported, managed really has no true meaning. As mentioned we will support around 95% of your issues.



Jay...what kind of issues would be in that 5%... left in the dust?

Could you post a list here to clear things up a bit.

thanks

:cartman:

Eiv
12-03-2002, 12:52 AM
Originally posted by pcsteve


Jay...what kind of issues would be in that 5%... left in the dust?

Could you post a list here to clear things up a bit.

thanks

:cartman:

Yeah. As a potential customer. I would intersted to know what would be the other 5% not supported??

jayglate
12-03-2002, 01:21 AM
Lets say you attempted to recompile the kernel without leaving backup for recovery and we had to recover the system in that respect.

You attempted to compile apache manually or php manually and severly screwed it up as where a buildapache.sea won't fix.

You install an application that severly corrupts system operation.

As a direct result of client negligence your server was hacked.

Things like that.



Originally posted by Eiv


Yeah. As a potential customer. I would intersted to know what would be the other 5% not supported??

pcsteve
12-03-2002, 01:25 AM
ah i see.

I can live with that ;)

Thanks.

Angel78
12-03-2002, 05:37 AM
are there any other issues beside those? :) (kernel, installing software,hacking) What else can you make wrong and be sure that it would "be" supported? I mean you addressed the major issuess, ( thus no hardware stuff but that is your part of the deal anyway), so you get unmanaged server afterall. I m not complaining, you have a nice offer for <200 $ servers.

clockwork
12-03-2002, 05:57 AM
Originally posted by Angel78
are there any other issues beside those? :) (kernel, installing software,hacking) What else can you make wrong and be sure that it would "be" supported? I mean you addressed the major issuess, ( thus no hardware stuff but that is your part of the deal anyway), so you get unmanaged server afterall. I m not complaining, you have a nice offer for <200 $ servers.

I think he was aiming at the "whoops, did I do that?" problems - which is acceptable IMO.

Angel78
12-03-2002, 12:07 PM
:) ok but on the other hand 120 $ is not that much for 2-3 months to test provider before considering it "stable"

Locust99
12-03-2002, 12:12 PM
When i get paid on 20th december, I am moving my servers off rackshack, and getting a dedicatednow $169/month server... with cpanel.. cant wait :)
As i can pay by paypal! And... cpanel!
Will they still be left?

AmericanD
12-03-2002, 12:15 PM
I hope ded now also comes up with some sales offers maybe early next year if not the years end

phantasywork
12-03-2002, 01:10 PM
I have been a customer of Nocster until recnetly , and have been with Dedicated now since launch and I will tell you this you won't regret going with dedicated now .

Jay , Matt and especially Lyron have been most helpful in all our needs so far , quick knowledgeable answers and top notch customer support.

richy
12-03-2002, 03:41 PM
you say sales were on furlow? lol ignoring the translation into english ;) what would have happened if i already had a server and wanted say some ip's or a ram upgrade? not a dig just a thought from a potential customer

JustinH
12-03-2002, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by BurstNET
Actually our company has been around almost 12 years...since June 1991.


burst.net - Record Created on 03-Jan-1998
BURSTNET trademark search results:

1st Use: January 03, 1998
Filing Date: July 20, 2000
Published Date: April 16, 2002
Registered Date: July 09, 2002

Interesting... for having been in business 12 years I'm seeing January 03, 1998 on the trademark and domain name. So let me guess, your business has been around 12 years, but prior to 1998 you didn't sell web hosting and it wasn't called BurstNET?

Just because you own one company and 8 years later you start a new one doesn't mean you're company has been in business 12 years. So I guess the 4+ figure was pretty darn close.

mainarea
12-03-2002, 08:32 PM
They didn't have a trademark before 1998 :D. Business names do NOT have to be trademarked.

From Burst.net - Copyright 1996-2002 BurstNET Technologies, Inc.™ - All Rights Reserved

BurstNET Technologies, Inc.™ is a world-wide leader in Web Hosting and Internet Solutions. The privately held and debt-free company, based in North-Eastern Pennsylvania, services clientele in over 100 countries around the world. BurstNET™ began in 1991 as a computer hardware/software retail firm and distributorship. Shortly after incorporating in late 1996, the company quickly made the transition to providing internet services. BurstNET™ established itself in the industry prior to the explosion of the web hosting market. The company has experienced exceptional growth and currently hosts more than 50,000 domains worldwide, on the hundreds of dedicated servers and co-located machines currently in the facility.

JustinH
12-03-2002, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by comphosting

burst.net - Record Created on 03-Jan-1998
....
1st Use: January 03, 1998


Yes interesting he said the company has been around since 1991, the web site says 1996 and the domain was first registered in 1998? I realize it's not required to be TMed but you can see that both the First Use and the domain creation record are Jan. 3 1998. Must be new math...

JustinH
12-03-2002, 08:46 PM
Forgot to mention, BurstNET was first USED in 1998, they didn't even file for the TM until 2000... Furthermore, if BurstNET was truly around in 1991 that would make them 3 years older then WebComm and 4-5 years older then webhosting.com... which would make them the first and only webhosting company for at least 2-3 years. You'd think with a 3 year monopoly on a market they'd at least be able to afford a Trademark... not to mention the fact that they we're smaller then Ventures Online (at least when both we're colocated at VDI) and VO is only a couple years old.

This isn't a bash on Burst, but saying they've been around since 1991 is a mistruth.

clockwork
12-04-2002, 03:33 AM
One word: incorporated

I could have started selling chicken feed in 1953, and then incorporated with a web hosting company in 1995. I can say I've been in business since 1953, because, technically, I have!

JustinH
12-04-2002, 06:56 AM
But it's still two seperate businesses. BurstNET is 4 or 5 years old, period, it's not it's not 7 and it's certainly not 12. If Sean or whoever had a different company beforehand that's just dandy. But it's BS that they have copyright 1996 when the DOMAIN hadn't even been registered in 1996.

Seems like just another lie amongst a million. I would NEVER get anything from Burst, simply because of some of the crap they've pulled on this forum. I'd do a search on Burst here and then consider your options.

clockwork
12-04-2002, 07:07 AM
I'm sorry, but using domain registration dates isn't very empirical. Let me see here....

chevy.com was registered in 1997

Care to argue they haven't been around previous to 1997? ;)

I'm not saying the "We've been in business since 1991..." isn't something to speculative about, but to prove your point you're going to need more than domain registration dates, trademark dates, and anything else that isn't very solid.

Maybe find out the name of the business that was supposedly started in 1991 and go from there?

clockwork
12-04-2002, 07:09 AM
chevrolet.com was registered in 1994, but my arguement still remains :)

clockwork
12-04-2002, 07:10 AM
Google is useful...

"Shawn Arcus of Shawn's Trading Post. Dealing in role-playing games, comic books, models and miniature figurines, Arcus is one of the many local businesses that do a bang-up business at the fair."


There's your pre-burstnet business

BurstNET
12-04-2002, 07:45 AM
<< Just because you own one company and 8 years later you start a new one doesn't mean you're company has been in business 12 years. So I guess the 4+ figure was pretty darn close. >>

< This isn't a bash on Burst, but saying they've been around since 1991 is a mistruth. >>

comphosting, you seem to have a major attitude problem!

What we post on our website is 100% the truth.
Our company has been in business since 1991.
Same PA Sales Tax ID# for 12 years straight...amongst many other things for 12 years...

Our company was founded in 1991, as a hobby company, entered the computer business a few years later, and entered the webhosting business in 1996. We changed our name in 1996, and changed our domain name in 1998.

Therefore we truthfully claim our company has been in business since 1991.


Sean R.
BurstNET
System Administration

AmericanD
12-04-2002, 09:30 AM
Originally posted by BurstNET

comphosting, you seem to have a major attitude problem!


:eek:

realalien
12-04-2002, 10:11 AM
it was quite interesting to read this thread... well I'm so unsure if I should sign up with:

dedicatednow.com
nocster.com
atwebhost.com

that I've decided to pick the first one out of this three, making a special offer on wht without setup fee.

if there is no special offer within this year, well, I'll sign up with tranxactglobal .... because I really don't want to pay such expensive setup fees.


should somebody of dedicatednow nocster or atwebhost be reading... you are welcome to PM me :D

tazzy
12-04-2002, 10:13 AM
Hello,

Before you signup at Tranxactglobal i'd read this thread if I was you:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93559

realalien
12-04-2002, 10:16 AM
tazzy yep i know that already... but I've a cheap box there since about 8 months... in average they are good... but I think I'm going OT ;)

tazzy
12-04-2002, 10:19 AM
Hello,

OK. I was just pointing you there if you hadn't already seen :D. I have nothing against DV2 by the way before anyone starts :rolleyes:

SoftWareRevue
12-04-2002, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by realalien
. . . . . I've decided to pick the first one out of this three, making a special offer on wht without setup fee. . . . . .I don't know about the others; but I'm certain Nocster will be running a special this month that includes no set up fees.
Also, I don't know about the others, because I haven't used them. But, I've been with Nocster since they've launched and I haven't looked back. They are a great value. And I recommend them highly, without reservation.

realalien
12-04-2002, 12:33 PM
thanks SoftWareRevue,

how can you be certain? do you know somebody at nocster?
thanks

PhMatt
12-04-2002, 12:41 PM
DedicatedNOW will be posting shortly with new pricing matrix and $0 setup servers once again.

Thanks,

mainarea
12-04-2002, 01:03 PM
realalien - http://nocster.net/sale.shtml

mainarea
12-04-2002, 01:10 PM
DedicatedNOW - it seems you have some no setup servers (http://dedicatednow.com/dedicated/) online already. Any chance of any $99 servers being offered with no setup fees, maybe with less bandwidth and a 40GB drive?

- Matt

SoftWareRevue
12-04-2002, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by realalien
thanks SoftWareRevue,

how can you be certain? do you know somebody at nocster?
thanks I just read WHT (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90802). ;)

PhMatt
12-04-2002, 03:40 PM
mainarea

We are able to offer these pricings based on volume purchases. They are not able to be discounted for less hardware or lesser bandwidth.

Thanks,

AmericanD
12-04-2002, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by DedicatedNOW
DedicatedNOW will be posting shortly with new pricing matrix and $0 setup servers once again.

Thanks,


I will be a fan of Dedicated Now very soon like everyone else.

DN : Keep up the hardwork and i wish you all the best. I like it when people are doing quality hard work and not ripping others off. nice balanced stuff u've got there. But the hard part is maintaining the quality you earned. i am sure u will do it well :)

hostoo
12-04-2002, 05:55 PM
What kind of backup is included with these servers and are there technitions in the data center 24/7 for server issues?

jayglate
12-04-2002, 10:35 PM
You can buy another harddrive to do nightly backups, and yes we are staffed 24/7 by onsite techs.

Originally posted by hostoo
What kind of backup is included with these servers and are there technitions in the data center 24/7 for server issues?

willbebetter
12-05-2002, 03:17 AM
Should I go with Dedicated Now or should I wait for the Nocster X-Mas Sale?

BurstNET
12-05-2002, 03:24 AM
We are releasing our sale specs on Monday.
Pre-orders will be accepted at that time.
Servers will begin to be supplied on the 15th.
Sale should run until the end of the month.

For what we have planned, you'll find it is going to be worth the wait.

Sean R.
BurstNET
System Administration

Fed-X
12-05-2002, 08:58 PM
The 15th is when my next payment is do for my current dedicated host, which I want to move from now.
Is there info up on the Nocster/Burstnet site about the deal?
In regards to DedicatedNOW, has the setup fee been waved again?
Looks like either DN or Nocster is going to get my business. Just need some more details.
Seeing as how I am not that well versed with dedicated servers, help is a definite plus. I also need to move from an ensim box to Cpanel. I've heard that there is some import or transfer program for this?

Thanks,
David

JonL
12-05-2002, 09:01 PM
Yes, CPanel has an account transfer program but only works if you have root access to the server the existing account is on.

You can transfer Albananza, Ensim, CPanel, Plesk and I believe some others. www.cpanel.net has the full list :)

jayglate
12-05-2002, 09:07 PM
We have a setup fee and a no setup fee plan.

Fed-X
12-05-2002, 09:20 PM
Is this the grand opening special where you have not setup fee, or was there a package that gave the same rates as the one currently listed with a setup fee, sans the setup fee? ie. $119 a month , No setup fee.

Thanks,
David

(Hope I didn't get too confusing)

jayglate
12-05-2002, 09:24 PM
$149.95 Monthly is no setup fee PIII
$169.95 Monthly is no setup fee P4

Fed-X
12-05-2002, 09:29 PM
So, those are the Specials listed above that you originally offered?

Fed-X
12-05-2002, 09:31 PM
Does anyone know if this is the type of specials that Nocster offers when they do their zero setup fee? Rates are raised monthly for the specials?
Just curious. Trying to understand.
Thanks,
David

jayglate
12-05-2002, 09:33 PM
No, they are not. we will never be offering the $99 no setup fee again, i do believe.

Originally posted by Fed-X
So, those are the Specials listed above that you originally offered?

Fed-X
12-05-2002, 09:35 PM
Thanks for the info Jay. You still have a great deal. I appreciate your time and info.
David

BurstNET
12-06-2002, 12:13 AM
<< Does anyone know if this is the type of specials that Nocster offers when they do their zero setup fee? Rates are raised monthly for the specials?
Just curious. Trying to understand. >>


NO, we DO NOT raise monthly rates when we have our "no setup fee" sales...

That would be a payment plan/extension, not a sale.


Sean R.
BurstNET
System Administration

neil
12-06-2002, 12:17 AM
<offtopic>

Sean, any time frame for the nocster x-mas sale?

</offtopic>

hostoo
12-06-2002, 12:27 AM
Nocster & Dedicatednow

Do you both have 24 hr Emergency Phone, if server is locked up, etc. I'm not planted to a computer all day and rely on pages if server is down to my cell phone, then I need to call you if I'm not by the computer to have someone reboot and see if something is visibly wrong in the Noc with server.

Thanks!

jayglate
12-06-2002, 12:29 AM
Yes, we have a 24/7 NOC LINE that is always answered 24/7

BurstNET
12-06-2002, 12:41 AM
<< Do you both have 24 hr Emergency Phone >>

Yes, our company has 24/7/365 emergency phone support.

We ALSO have 24/7/365 support and sysadmin staff as well at our company owned facility.


Sean R.
BurstNET
System Administration

KKhost
12-06-2002, 01:43 AM
Originally posted by Dartan
I would recommend Nocster/BurstNET theyre phone support is awesome.

Plus theres always somebody on AIM to help :stickout:

actually the chane I could get someone at AIM is like 1/10 for me...

not as good as it was...

BurstNET
12-06-2002, 02:43 AM
*Originally posted by neil
<offtopic>

Sean, any time frame for the nocster x-mas sale?

</offtopic>

neil,

Our new X-Mas server sale is now online.

AmericanD
12-06-2002, 03:00 AM
ahh now its hard to choose ! :)

cactus
12-06-2002, 03:29 AM
Nocster/Burstnet x-mas offer:
Wow! nice offer...512 mb ram. If only I had waited a little longer.
Oh well, no complains and very happy with the server performance and excellent support.

Regards

JustinH
12-06-2002, 04:06 AM
And <ENTER HOST HERE> is having an early new years special!
http://www.notanadvertisingforum.com

Come on Sean, you've been here long enough to know that you could should have PMed the user asking the question instead of advertising (and therefore taking the thread offtopic) in a forum that was comparing your company to another.

As I've said before, the professionalism you've shown on this board is enough for me to never go with a Burst type company, but I do like how you completely avoided it when I questioned your "12 years in business" crap.

StevenG
12-06-2002, 04:20 AM
:eek:
Was that blatant advertising in a NON advertising forum.. shame on you !! :eek:

BurstNET
12-06-2002, 04:43 AM
We were specifically asked for the information...we were just responding to that request. The post was pretty relavant to the thread I felt...

MODS - If you think this should not be here...feel free to modify that post...and just put a link to the thread in the Offers section :-)


Sean R.
BurstNET
System Administration

teck
12-06-2002, 05:01 AM
Originally posted by comphosting
And <ENTER HOST HERE> is having an early new years special!
http://www.notanadvertisingforum.com

Come on Sean, you've been here long enough to know that you could should have PMed the user asking the question instead of advertising (and therefore taking the thread offtopic) in a forum that was comparing your company to another.

As I've said before, the professionalism you've shown on this board is enough for me to never go with a Burst type company, but I do like how you completely avoided it when I questioned your "12 years in business" crap.

not taking sides here but:

Originally posted by jayglate
We have a setup fee and a no setup fee plan. Check out our website for more info.



would it have been better if BurstNET said:

We now offer no setup fee on our new xmas specials. Check out our sale webpage for more information!

I don't see a difference in what BurstNET posted and what jayglate posted. Both are very similar. If no one is complaining about jayglates' post, I don't see the big deal with BurstNET's.

StevenG
12-06-2002, 05:06 AM
I don't see a difference in what BurstNET posted and what jayglate posted. Both are very similar. If no one is complaining about jayglates' post, I don't see the big deal with BurstNET's.

Then the rules do not matter then (Although Jayglate did not post a direct "in your face" link to a special offer).. if one does all can , is that it? :D

teck
12-06-2002, 05:16 AM
Of course the rule matters but i'm just pointing something out. Both users violated the rules and I will edit them out accordingly.

edit: Which I did :D

StevenG
12-06-2002, 05:34 AM
ooops teck.........

Here's me not realising you were a mod :(

oh dear, black mark for dotcomsnz :(

Cheers guys.. have fun :)

teck
12-06-2002, 06:22 AM
Nah, I don't keep a book of black marks :) I haven't been around much which is why you didn't realize. No biggie, all is well.

StevenG
12-06-2002, 06:34 AM
Nah, I don't keep a book of black marks I haven't been around much which is why you didn't realize. No biggie, all is well.

Geeeez, I am saved, cheers teck for your no-nonsense type of modding...... gooood job :)

StevenG
12-06-2002, 06:42 AM
I vote teck


for no1 Mod.. anyone follow?

Chicken
12-06-2002, 10:37 AM
As it seems that people are mostly just interested in direction sales questions to these two at this point, thread closed. Please contact them directly.