Hi Guys,

Well most of you may not know me, I'm John from AllureHost and I also do web design via SwiftModders. I have done quite a few design projects in the past for some noticeable clients, but the reason I am making this post is to catch the attention of aTechosting's Sean.

This is not my first attempt to grab his attention, I have sent him a few emails in an effort to speak with him, but they seem to be getting ignored. I will explain to you all what I believe is happening here. Before my recent design change to AllureHost I had a web site design that Sean appeared to like very much. So much so that he requested Payton from Payton Designs to make something very close to AllureHost. How do I know this? Well when I approached Payton about the design he had created, he brought it to my attention that Sean asked for something just like AllureHost. I explain to Payton my gripes with the situation, he understood, and handled it very professionally.

Sometime after that I figured it was about time to finish up my new design (current design) and release it. I made a post about it here on WHT and I got a lot of positive feedback and great suggestions from everyone, including Sean. He was so taken by our new design that he promptly contacted me via every method known to him...AIM, email, and my Live Chat on AllureHost. He asked me to make him a new design and I unfortunately didn't have the time and declined to. I figured this would be the end of it. However, upon looking at Sean's most recent changes to his site, you may notice a few startling similarities:


The learn more, order, and more buttons are the same buttons I made for AllureHost. Basically he just took them and put them on his site.
The icons on the right side of his homepage are the same ones I am using and paid for. They are licensed icons from Icon Eden so I do hope they were purchased.
On some subpages - My little blue curved header bar, I mean it's a very simple thing to make on your own so was it necessary to take mine?
Homepage banners - I have no problem with using the slider because many sites use that, but was it necessary to use the same image subject matter with my learn more button? A little creativity goes a long way.

I'm really flattered when people enjoy my designs, I love to receive compliments on it and I love making better designs as I grow as a web designer. What I do not like is other people becoming heavily "inspired" by my work to the point that they just start taking things off of it.

There is a fine line you are crossing when it comes to being "inspired" by my work Sean. I think you're a good guy, but you need to create your own brand and identity. I am by no means "Mr. Original", but I never try to base the look of my sites on one particular thing I see. I hope you understand that and I hope you get a chance to read and respond to this. I am open to any opinions from WHT community and it's perfectly okay if you feel I am being a bit childish in this, but I feel it is getting a bit out of hand now and I just want it to stop.

Thank you all,
John

To be honest there is not a lot you can do about it m8, your best option is to get your work oficially copyrighted so then if you do get a design ripped by someone you can take legal action.

It is quite unprofessional for someone to steal your work, especially someone who is trying to make a living in the same line of work.

Best thing to do is post everywhere and tell people what he is like, eventually he will lose custom and will not be able to keep running :D

P.S... I got to admit though your design does look very nice, keep up the good work :D

To be honest there is not a lot you can do about it m8, your best option is to get your work oficially copyrighted so then if you do get a design ripped by someone you can take legal action.Enforcement of copyrights does not require any type of "official" registration. Any proof that you are the originator of a work is enough to take legal action, whether that action is filing a DMCA Cease and Desist notification or full litigation.

Given the relatively thorough archival records kept throughout the Internet, I'm certain proving ownership will not be a difficult thing to do at all. DMCA seems the most likely route to take, if the rip is substantial enough to uphold this action. I believe that last point is what's unclear at this point...

Well, you have now a new friend...

The learn more, order, and more buttons are the same buttons I made for AllureHost. Basically he just took them and put them on his site.Certainly a rip of the more info/order now buttons. They're the EXACT same width and height and obviously were ripped directly from your website (as were the other items in your list).

Last time I saw aTecHosting's site (not too long ago at all), they were using the default buttons Payton provides (as seen on http://www.paytondesigns.com/). When did you notice this change?

I wouldn't of taken such a kind regard and would be a little more forceful, afterall he hasn't even taken the time to chnage the naming convention on the images he has taken.? As for copyright, you are as the original creator the legal copyright owner of those images and they are being used without permission on another domain...I would follow that up.
I would follow up the with the icons and the company that own them to find out if they are also being legally displayed there. If it makes any difference, which I guess not a lot your design is superior in a lot of ways. If Shaun has any decency whatsoever he would remove it and take the same time you have to create himself a unique design.

Certainly a rip of the more info/order now buttons. They're the EXACT same width and height and obviously were ripped directly from your website (as were the other items in your list).

Last time I saw aTecHosting's site (not too long ago at all), they were using the default buttons Payton provides (as seen on http://www.paytondesigns.com/). When did you notice this change?

I noticed the changes quite a few days ago. I sent Sean an email about it, but received no response. I also sent him a DMCA about the buttons and icons and received no response.

That suck's im sure he will reply to this thread :-)

P.s You also put Payton under the ball.... Sean will no longer like him :))

What a tool.. look at the source for aTechosting.com and what do you see:

<img src="http://www.allurehost.com/images/btn_order.gif" alt="Order for Starter Hosting" border="0" height="30" width="71" />

I hope you're already feverishly working on that DMCA request...

What a tool.. look at the source for aTechosting.com and what do you see:

<img src="http://www.allurehost.com/images/btn_order.gif" alt="Order for Starter Hosting" border="0" height="30" width="71" />

I hope you're already feverishly working on that DMCA request...

Well, I sent one to him, but of course that did no good. Would anyone happen to know who his provider is?

Well, I sent one to him, but of course that did no good. Would anyone happen to know who his provider is?

http://www.knownhost.com/

There is also a very responsive Knownhost rep on WHT... forget the name at the moment.

Edit:

Looks like you need to mail the DMCA request as per their AUP:

http://knownhost.com/aup.html

What a tool.. look at the source for aTechosting.com and what do you see:

<img src="http://www.allurehost.com/images/btn_order.gif" alt="Order for Starter Hosting" border="0" height="30" width="71" />

How embarrassing.

What a tool.. look at the source for aTechosting.com and what do you see:

<img src="http://www.allurehost.com/images/btn_order.gif" alt="Order for Starter Hosting" border="0" height="30" width="71" />

I hope you're already feverishly working on that DMCA request...

You have got to be kidding.? So not only taken the image but bandwidth as well, thats a joke. Go to your server and set up the anti-hotlinking straight away.

Sean, a response regarding this issue would be most appreciated. This is a very serious issue!

I think a fitting punishment would be to make him use these buttons for no less than 7 days: http://i46.tinypic.com/28v5843.png

;6619640']I think a fitting punishment would be to make him use these buttons for no less than 7 days: http://i46.tinypic.com/28v5843.pngHaha Sam, that would be a very, very good idea!

Change the links of the order/more info buttons on your website and upload new images (the ones he's hotlinking) with text like 'DO NOT ORDER' or 'WE SUCK'! If you'd like me to make these for you for free, let me know! :D

Haha Sam, that would be a very, very good idea!

Change the links of the order/more info buttons on your website and upload new images (the ones he's hotlinking) with text like 'DO NOT ORDER' or 'WE SUCK'! If you'd like me to make these for you for free, let me know! :D

LOL here you go :D

LOL here you go :DLOL! They look good, but need to be exact size as aTecHosting is using the width and height variable for the image (as was AllureHost). :banana:

LMAO, this thread got entertaining quick.

Sam, those buttons made me LOL so hard.

John... c'mon!!! Get those images changed ASAP and we can all have a nice laugh.

Hey John,

I understand your frustration as I also have noticed the changes in icons and gradients used on his site. It's unfortunate he couldn't just ask someone to help him create some new images/icons. I offered to help him change the banners a little bit but they have since been removed.

You can see the original version I had provide him with here:
http://paytondesigns.com/images/portfolio/large/atechdesign.jpg

As you can see, all the icons/gradients/images are totally different then what is currently on atech.com. I'm assuming Sean thinks its harmless to be using those images, I'm not exactly sure.

:D /subscribed

;6619640']I think a fitting punishment would be to make him use these buttons for no less than 7 days: http://i46.tinypic.com/28v5843.png

Hotlinking to boot. And I agree with Sam.

:D /subscribed

/copies :P

That would remind me of nouptime.com ...

Edit: Thats strange his "more" images are on his site and his "Order" are on Allures. So hes just copying allures "order" button?

It's really unfortunate that these threads seem to be popping up day in day out. Good luck John trying to get your images off his website.

;6619640']I think a fitting punishment would be to make him use these buttons for no less than 7 days: http://i46.tinypic.com/28v5843.png


Hilarious lol

Is this the same Sean that often seems to start the site ripping threads in the webhosting forum?

The latest:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=918895

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=913295

Indeed Sue :)

This is totally unprofessional and inexcusable. Speaks glaringly to a kiddie host.

Is this the same Sean that often seems to start the site ripping threads in the webhosting forum?

The latest:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=918895

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=913295

Sure is LOL...

Poor Sean he lost his reputation..

Sure is LOL...

Poor Sean he lost his reputation..

His business is done... :blush:

You really think?

How new is the company and do they have any clients?

You really think?

How new is the company and do they have any clients?

You may be correct, anyway his reputation is done... :o

It really beggars belief that for the sake of a couple of small graphics and a little imagination. For all those others that think it would be harmless to use someone elses work to make your life easier, I think this is probably a good example of why it really isn't worth it, I have known members to post in the graphics request forum here for help with small graphics and having ones made for free, I have actually done this myself.
Sean I think its time to face the music!

I think it quite embarrassing that he likes to out others for ripping sites and has done something similar himself. He really needs to address this to recover his reputation. These are most serious allegations and if not responded too, can truly destroy a reputation.

He has been online, looks like he is choosing to ignore this.

He has been online, looks like he is choosing to ignore this.

So he admits the facts alleged against him!?... :D

He has been online, looks like he is choosing to ignore this.

Let's wait and see.:D

Let's wait and see.:D

Oh, let me guess, maybe he is busy to redesign his website...

Oh, let me guess, maybe he is busy to redesign his website...

Google Cache to the rescue. :stickout:

Sean has been notified of this thread, and his input has been requested.

First off Sean,

I emailed you a few times and you never got back to me. I attempted to contact you in private and you simply ignored me, so what do you expect me to do? You are so eager to make posts on here when people "RIP" your design, yet when the same thing happens to you it seems to be a problem, why is that?

And no, you didn't go overboard, you flat out took files from my site and not only did you take them, but you hot-linked them as well, stealing bandwidth from me. That is completely and utterly unprofessional and uncalled for. You have a real problem with ethics and I high suggest you re-evaluate yourself.

Once again, I contacted you, you did not reply, did not remove, so I "blasted" you as you so called put it. And I am responding to this in public because I feel your private message is ridiculous and you did not take down the files yet.

I am doing fairly well for myself and I don't need publicity, but what I do need is for you to remove my intellectual property from your website. And no Sean, not in "due course" but now.

And yes you are 100% correct, you did ask me if I could do a design for you and yes I did say no to you. But I did not get rude with you until you began contacting me via my company website when you did not receive a response via email as quickly as you expected. Let me ask you, how happy would you be if someone was contacting you via your company website as opposed to waiting for you to respond to their email?

Hello John,

I am sorry this would of been better on a private conversation instead of blasting it on the forums :mad:

I know you have huge dramas with me and I can totally understand, You could of simply contacted me here for a resolution to this issue.

Gladly I will be relocating the services and changing designs as your design is yes an inspiration and perhaps I went overboard just a little more than what I should have.

Technically, I did not do a RIP of your website, I did use the icons and I will happily remove these in the appropriate time frame.

I did have an issue with you not consulting me in a private session to remove the contents as I would of done with you.

Publicity is nice for you I would imagine, But anyways I thought I would let you know what is happening on this end and expect the content to be reverted in due course.

I did ask you if I could pay you to make me a design and you were quite rude about it in your private message to me and hence to why I did not reply to your message back.

Thanks,

Sean

I am sorry this would of been better on a private conversation instead of blasting it on the forums

Is there some point he is trying to make here about the ethics of making it publically aware? umm..Kettle Black?

I know you have huge dramas with me and I can totally understand, You could of simply contacted me here for a resolution to this issue

Go figure? contact was I believe tried more then once?

Gladly I will be relocating the services and changing designs as your design is yes an inspiration and perhaps I went overboard just a little more than what I should have.

Important bit: admission and resolution. now were getting somewhere.

Technically, I did not do a RIP of your website, I did use the icons and I will happily remove these in the appropriate time frame.

Theoretically or technically? yes you did, not only the icons which I say is another owner copyright issue, but the blue left-curve bars and the buttons. By the way unless you are unaware you forgot to change one of the ripped source image links from allurehost, referrer logs can confirn this. Time-frame appropriate? , appropriate for who?

expect the content to be reverted in due course

umm..excuse me? maybe you mean 'I will take your content off my site right away.

More so for someone that likes to expose other wrong doers for their un-educated mistakes. The medicine don't taste so good when its your own.

...and no thanks I don't need any webhosting right now.

Im guessing Sean will no longer post Ripped Sites anymore :banana:

Im guessing Sean will no longer post Ripped Sites anymore :banana:

I think he will simply no longer post anything at all...

This kind of passing off happens all the time, not much you can do about it unless there is big money involved.

This is really unfortunate especially since I think the design Peyton made for him to begin with was very nice.

What a rip off! :disagree:

Finally he took the buttons down! Everyone now may call him Sean The Ripper :banana:

He stopped hotlinking, but is still using the graphics.

Hi Guys,

Well most of you may not know me, I'm John from AllureHost and I also do web design via SwiftModders. I have done quite a few design projects in the past for some noticeable clients, but the reason I am making this post is to catch the attention of aTechosting's Sean.

This is not my first attempt to grab his attention, I have sent him a few emails in an effort to speak with him, but they seem to be getting ignored. I will explain to you all what I believe is happening here. Before my recent design change to AllureHost I had a web site design that Sean appeared to like very much. So much so that he requested Payton from Payton Designs to make something very close to AllureHost. How do I know this? Well when I approached Payton about the design he had created, he brought it to my attention that Sean asked for something just like AllureHost. I explain to Payton my gripes with the situation, he understood, and handled it very professionally.

Sometime after that I figured it was about time to finish up my new design (current design) and release it. I made a post about it here on WHT and I got a lot of positive feedback and great suggestions from everyone, including Sean. He was so taken by our new design that he promptly contacted me via every method known to him...AIM, email, and my Live Chat on AllureHost. He asked me to make him a new design and I unfortunately didn't have the time and declined to. I figured this would be the end of it. However, upon looking at Sean's most recent changes to his site, you may notice a few startling similarities:


The learn more, order, and more buttons are the same buttons I made for AllureHost. Basically he just took them and put them on his site.
The icons on the right side of his homepage are the same ones I am using and paid for. They are licensed icons from Icon Eden so I do hope they were purchased.
On some subpages - My little blue curved header bar, I mean it's a very simple thing to make on your own so was it necessary to take mine?
Homepage banners - I have no problem with using the slider because many sites use that, but was it necessary to use the same image subject matter with my learn more button? A little creativity goes a long way.

I'm really flattered when people enjoy my designs, I love to receive compliments on it and I love making better designs as I grow as a web designer. What I do not like is other people becoming heavily "inspired" by my work to the point that they just start taking things off of it.

There is a fine line you are crossing when it comes to being "inspired" by my work Sean. I think you're a good guy, but you need to create your own brand and identity. I am by no means "Mr. Original", but I never try to base the look of my sites on one particular thing I see. I hope you understand that and I hope you get a chance to read and respond to this. I am open to any opinions from WHT community and it's perfectly okay if you feel I am being a bit childish in this, but I feel it is getting a bit out of hand now and I just want it to stop.

Thank you all,
John

FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE TRIED TO MAKE A DECENT CONTACT WITH JOHN IN REGARDS TO THIS AND HAS SHRUGGED IT OFF TO THIS THREAD.

I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY, BUT AT LEAST BE A MAN ABOUT THIS AND HAVE THE DECENCY TO CONTACT ME TO REMOVE THE CONTENT OR AT LEAST TO MAKE SOME SORT OF RESOLUTION TO THIS MATTER.

YOU FAILED TO SEND ME ANYTHING IN THE FORMS OF CONTACT, LETTERS, OR ANY OTHER KIND OF INFORMATION REGARDING THIS.


YOU HAVE CLAIMED TO SEND ME A FEW MESSAGES THOUGH NONE TO WHT, YOU DID NOT CONTACT ME ON MSN, AIM OR ANYWHERE AND NOT EVEN AN E-MAIL THAT YOU CLAIMED TO OF SENT, WHERE IS IT?

IF YOU CAN POST ME A PRIVATE MESSAGE WITH A TIME STAMP OR SOMETHING OF VALID PROOF YOU DID SEND IT THEN I WILL RE-EVALUATE.

Secondly, I have tried to contact you John over private message regarding this and again you shrugged it off to this thread, You cannot even talk to me to make a resolution and this is where it should of gone first instead of publicly as it would of been resolved MUCH SOONER than what it is taking right now.

Hello John,

I am sorry this would of been better on a private conversation instead of blasting it on the forums :mad:

I know you have huge dramas with me and I can totally understand, You could of simply contacted me here for a resolution to this issue.

Gladly I will be relocating the services and changing designs as your design is yes an inspiration and perhaps I went overboard just a little more than what I should have.

Technically, I did not do a RIP of your website, I did use the icons and I will happily remove these in the appropriate time frame.

I did have an issue with you not consulting me in a private session to remove the contents as I would of done with you.

Publicity is nice for you I would imagine, But anyways I thought I would let you know what is happening on this end and expect the content to be reverted in due course.

I did ask you if I could pay you to make me a design and you were quite rude about it in your private message to me and hence to why I did not reply to your message back.

Thanks,

SeanJohns Reply: Re Hello: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=6621192I also received a PM from the Moderator and I will not mention whom asking me to update this thread.

Hello xxx,

I have tried to speak with AH-John in regards to this matter and I did it through a private message which would of been a little bit more sincere but as I am aware he is arrogant and even before I copied the images I did contact John about a design to be made and his response to my PM was very rude.

I did send him a message in private yesterday and his response was to that was just a link to the thread. I was aware of the thread by several sources and I have not updated it at this point because I want to sort this out in private with him.

If he wants to be reluctant about it, fine, I am not concerned. The images will be removed in due time as I did pass on to him yesterday in a private response.

If he cannot come here and talk to me in private or discuss this with me off the board so we can make an arrangement or a deal then I will be delayed in making my response to the thread to where it was inappropriate for him to post it when he well aware of where he could of contacted me in the first place.

I HAVE RECEIVED NO FORM OF COMMUNICATION FROM JOHN

Just to make that clear, So I want to sort this out with him more professionaly then on the board.

If you could get him to reply to me in a more manly manner then sure I will update the thread but till then I feel that it's not an obligation to do so.

Thanks
SeanWell most of you may not know me, I'm John from AllureHost and I also do web design via SwiftModders. I have done quite a few design projects in the past for some noticeable clients, but the reason I am making this post is to catch the attention of aTechosting's Sean.You could of caught my attention in a more respectable manner, You never tried to reach me on any forms of my contacts which are included in each thread or reply that I make here on WHT.

AIM, YAHOO, MSN, Private Message, Website. You failed to reach me on any of these so yes I would imagine this is the only form of contact you tried or was more to an attention to a boost in traffic, either way.

This is not my first attempt to grab his attention, I have sent him a few emails in an effort to speak with him, but they seem to be getting ignored. I will explain to you all what I believe is happening here. Before my recent design change to AllureHost I had a web site design that Sean appeared to like very much. So much so that he requested Payton from Payton Designs to make something very close to AllureHost. How do I know this? Well when I approached Payton about the design he had created, he brought it to my attention that Sean asked for something just like AllureHost. I explain to Payton my gripes with the situation, he understood, and handled it very professionally.Firstly where did you send the e-mails, I have not received any e-mails to any of my in boxes at all and they do include my business and personal accounts in which can be found quite easily. Please do provide the date and times that you sent these a long with time stamps if possible because I have not received any messages on my iPhone, any messages in outlook or anywhere else that would seek you trying to talk with me.

You did not come on to live chat on our website and you clearly did not try and make every form of effort and even here on WHT you did not even create a private message that would grab my attention as you are well aware that I am on WHT more than anything else.

Payton did update me on the status of this down the track, Yes, I can understand the frustration about this and I did ask Payton for a design like yours but not a replica.

Sometime after that I figured it was about time to finish up my new design (current design) and release it. I made a post about it here on WHT and I got a lot of positive feedback and great suggestions from everyone, including Sean. He was so taken by our new design that he promptly contacted me via every method known to him...AIM, email, and my Live Chat on AllureHost. He asked me to make him a new design and I unfortunately didn't have the time and declined to. I figured this would be the end of it. However, upon looking at Sean's most recent changes to his site, you may notice a few startling similarities:You noticed when I created this new thread in the Web Design Section of WHT, Correct?:confused:

You never told me you had no time, You told me you were not taking on any new projects. I did contact you and at lest I did try every kind of contact to make contact with you as opposed to you reaching my only by e-mail in which I have not received.

I thought I would be a gentleman and even send you a private message on WHT which you did state you were not taking on new projects and declined to do so in a very arrogant manner. Your response to me was not of one of the nicest and I thought you were very rude in how you responded especially when I told you I tried to reach you over Live Chat in which you claimed was very unprofessional and to never do it again :( I felt like an idiot for even asking you to make it and as to why I was not or did not reply to your post in the end because of how rude you made the message out to be.

You could of at least said Sean, I am sorry I will not be taking on any new projects xxxxxxx and so on rather then lecturing me on how I should make contacts with you.



The learn more, order, and more buttons are the same buttons I made for AllureHost. Basically he just took them and put them on his site.
The icons on the right side of his homepage are the same ones I am using and paid for. They are licensed icons from Icon Eden so I do hope they were purchased.
On some subpages - My little blue curved header bar, I mean it's a very simple thing to make on your own so was it necessary to take mine?
Homepage banners - I have no problem with using the slider because many sites use that, but was it necessary to use the same image subject matter with my learn more button? A little creativity goes a long way.

1) I admit that I did use them.
2) Thank you for advising me, The icons I do find are done so via "iconfinder" http://iconfinder.net/ - I will update on this.
3) Yes I just added them to the site and I will happily remove them as I have stated in my private messages to you that you have not physically made remarks to rather than just linking me here as to where everyone is leading me.

I'm really flattered when people enjoy my designs, I love to receive compliments on it and I love making better designs as I grow as a web designer. What I do not like is other people becoming heavily "inspired" by my work to the point that they just start taking things off of it.I did apologize and I will do so again via another private message in which I hope you actually do respond with some kind of "WORDS", You did not even take the time to reply to that message I sent you yesterday which was quite lengthy to say the least. :(

There is a fine line you are crossing when it comes to being "inspired" by my work Sean. I think you're a good guy, but you need to create your own brand and identity. I am by no means "Mr. Original", but I never try to base the look of my sites on one particular thing I see. I hope you understand that and I hope you get a chance to read and respond to this. I am open to any opinions from WHT community and it's perfectly okay if you feel I am being a bit childish in this, but I feel it is getting a bit out of hand now and I just want it to stop.John, I think you are a great bloke do not get me wrong. I have made the wrong decisions in the past and clearly I have made the wrong decisions in this saga because of your work being some what "inspirational". My intentions were to never actually RIP your site as it was not a physical RIP.

The icons I was more than happy to remove with other content that may be to an offense to your developments of your websites, I did take the time to re-invent the way the service looks and as I said I am more than happy to remove the contents that are shown on our website.

I will admit that I am no designer, never have been and never will be. I have developers and designers create several web pages for myself which all have looked amazing but I think yours was more to my inspiration than anything, though all in hand I did not appreciate how this was handled.

Even though I took the inspiration it did not mean you had to make "OUR" problems a public one, I would of appreciated a private message at least or a copied message from these "supposed" e-mails that you sent me that I have never received in to one of those private messages just to confirm but you never took that alternative.

At least when I tried to contact you via your available methods I did so in the hopes that I would reach you in which I did but you pretty much tore my head off with being so arrogant in some of the ways I had tried to contact you :mad:

I am an easy going person and my intentions are to not make things worse between myself and the community of WHT or the management of AH.

I will be removing the offending content today so do expect the images to be removed and I will assure that my inspirations will become more of a natural nature than an inspirational one.

I will apologize to the staff, the management and the admins of AH and the moderators of WHT and to the community and just to add it was never my intention to be caught up in such a debacle over something really silly that could of been dealt with more easily.

Oh, let me guess, maybe he is busy to redesign his website... To somewhat I have and will be.

This is really unfortunate especially since I think the design Peyton made for him to begin with was very nice. I did think the same and as I have posted above it was a mere mistake that I will rectify with John and others.

This kind of passing off happens all the time, not much you can do about it unless there is big money involved. A DMCA perhaps, I was told by a staff member one was sent and I never received this and nor has KnownHost :confused:

Go figure? contact was I believe tried more then once?Contact was not made at all, I have no proof as I have no e-mails that state any form of contact and not even a PM from John here on WHT so not all methods were taken.

First off Sean,

I emailed you a few times and you never got back to me. I attempted to contact you in private and you simply ignored me, so what do you expect me to do? You are so eager to make posts on here when people "RIP" your design, yet when the same thing happens to you it seems to be a problem, why is that?

And no, you didn't go overboard, you flat out took files from my site and not only did you take them, but you hot-linked them as well, stealing bandwidth from me. That is completely and utterly unprofessional and uncalled for. You have a real problem with ethics and I high suggest you re-evaluate yourself.

Once again, I contacted you, you did not reply, did not remove, so I "blasted" you as you so called put it. And I am responding to this in public because I feel your private message is ridiculous and you did not take down the files yet.

I am doing fairly well for myself and I don't need publicity, but what I do need is for you to remove my intellectual property from your website. And no Sean, not in "due course" but now.

And yes you are 100% correct, you did ask me if I could do a design for you and yes I did say no to you. But I did not get rude with you until you began contacting me via my company website when you did not receive a response via email as quickly as you expected. Let me ask you, how happy would you be if someone was contacting you via your company website as opposed to waiting for you to respond to their email?John why do you need to post this publicly, It is a damn private message and clearly you do not understand the concept of "PRIVATE". You did not send me any forms of messages on WHT what so ever, this can more than likely be confirmed by the moderators that you have not made that attempt at all :mad:

I would not be concerned, I did contact you via Swift Modders and yet no response from that as to why I did contact you via your company website.


I emailed you a few times and you never got back to me. I attempted to contact you in private and you simply ignored me, so what do you expect me to do? You are so eager to make posts on here when people "RIP" your design, yet when the same thing happens to you it seems to be a problem, why is that?
What e-mail address did you post this too exactly?

Once again, I contacted you, you did not reply, did not remove, so I "blasted" you as you so called put it. And I am responding to this in public because I feel your private message is ridiculous and you did not take down the files yet.Clearly private conversations mean nothing to you, I have person problems at home John and they are very personal. How would you feel if someone in your family was dying in front of your eyes and all you cared about was your images being removed from a website? You may need to re-evaluate your attitude towards this thread as clearly you do not care about what I am saying to you or to resolve this issue.

I posted a private message to you on the base that we could make a resolution and you did not want to or did not take the time to even make a response to it which kind of sucked because I took my time writing it to the point where I was so distraught ed. I am sorry if your images have not come down as quick as you have hoped but I do have emerging issues at home and my message to you was short though would of been nice if you had written something at least.

Not sure what else to say to you John!

He stopped hotlinking, but is still using the graphics.Yes on the sole basis that it was Hotlinking and not intentionally.



Finally he took the buttons down! Everyone now may call him Sean The Ripper :banana:Thank you, your feedback is somewhat invaluable to this.

All I can say is this is John's way of bringing it more to light without making the contact he should of have. I do not blame john for this as it was a mistake of mine and I will admit to that, Though I am just curious to where to e-mails were sent too regarding this issue???

Thank you, your feedback is somewhat invaluable to this.



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How so when the source only showed AH info? :banana:

Sean i have no intentions to argue its just one of those LOL matter's

How so when the source only showed AH info? :banana:

Sean i have no intentions to argue its just one of those LOL matter's
It was not a full site copy or narrow down, It was more a copy of selected code nothing more and nothing less!

I have removed them accordingly to a no DMCA and I did admit to it being a mistake and would never happen again.

It was not a full site copy or narrow down, It was more a copy of selected code nothing more and nothing less!

I have removed them accordingly to a no DMCA and I did admit to it being a mistake and would never happen again.

I understand it wasnt a full site copy.. As Payton designed it..

Second i understand you were inspired let's be real who hasnt look at some one else's site and get's inspired?
I personally have....


But they way you straight took his code was dirty... Im glad you admited doing wrong but being a mistake? Come on you new what you were pasting.

Anyhow good luck.

But they way you straight took his code was dirty... Im glad you admited doing wrong but being a mistake? Come on you new what you were pasting.

Anyhow good luck.
It was a mistake that I took it as an inspiration, Yes. When you copy something you do realize what you are doing so I am not sure what your point is?

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Too long; didn't read, but it looks like the buttons have been removed. Well done for cooperating.

How can you hotlink unintentionally? That doesn't make any sense. You have to either copy the code directly or type it in. In either case, it's intentional.

You keep downplaying what you did, but you stole code directly from another's site, hotlinking to their graphics, and stealing their bandwidth. That's plain and simple and there's no way that that could be an accident.

Inspiration is one thing. You like a design, you design it from scratch creating your own graphics and buttons and put something similar together using your own code. Stealing code is never acceptable and although it may not be a "complete" rip, it still is a rip that you so often like to police on the forums.

I'm a high-school teacher by trade and I tell my students that it doesn't matter if you copy one line or the whole paper, plagiarism is plagiarism and you cannot copy any portion without quoting it and giving credit where it's due.

It's one thing to download the graphics and upload them to your site (still stealing), but it's a whole lot sneakier to just link directly to the graphics on the other server and steal the bandwidth along with the graphics.

I don't know either of you personally and I'm not making any judgements except for those based on your actions and your refusal to take "full" responsibility without downplaying what you did and saying it was "unintentional". We all screw up from time to time. Admit it without any excuses or downplay and then move on. But trying to make excuses and downplay what actually happened just makes the situation worse and after reading your post, it appears that you did this to spite John because he wouldn't take your business.

It was a mistake that I took it as an inspiration, Yes. When you copy something you do realize what you are doing so I am not sure what your point is?

His point is that YOU said it was unintentional and he was pointing it out that that wasn't possible.

What was your point in saying it was unintentional? To downplay your actions and make it look like an innocent accident.

What was your point in saying it was unintentional? To downplay your actions and make it look like an innocent accident.
Scott, You totally are mis-understanding the whole situation.

The TABLE was copied and in the table was the BUTTON CODE which was the hotlink! I never got around to editing that to just /images/ rather than keeping it as the hotlink which I was not aware of at the time.

I am not downplaying the situation, I did admit to being in the wrong and you can clearly read this but you still want to pursue this issue which I want to talk with John and not the community.

I have had my say in this dilemma, I admitted to being wrong and that should be the end of the story.

I don't know either of you personally and I'm not making any judgements except for those based on your actions and your refusal to take "full" responsibility without downplaying what you did and saying it was "unintentional". We all screw up from time to time. Admit it without any excuses or downplay and then move on. But trying to make excuses and downplay what actually happened just makes the situation worse and after reading your post, it appears that you did this to spite John because he wouldn't take your business.
You are making judgments on what you do not know! You say it cannot be unintentional and I have said above it was in the tables that had the hot linking address which I did not realize at the time so it was never edited.

I have had my say on the matter, I was pushed and pushed and pushed to make a reply and if it unsatisfactory for your liking let it be so, I believe it has nothing to do with the community but to myself and John as to where this should of been discussed in private.

How can I also down play the situation when I admittedly said I did the wrong?
Teachers always have a converse way of trying to sound remarkably clever which to me is so annoying as yes I did go to school and the teachers always try and make out they are right all the time even when they are proved wrong so I will not sit here and argue with you Scott!!!

All I can say is that I have admitted to it, I have removed the content and so it I cannot be down playing the situation, At least I have come to give my point of the story.

Sean

I was actually not aware of this thread when it was posted, I was notified just recently by Live Chat, Private Message and AIM - All the spots that AH John did not try.

I have read through the posts and people like making accusations, like to make posts like "Kiddie Host", "Non Poster", "Will Never Post Again", "Ignoring Posts", What is wrong with you people?

Scott, Do I look like I am 13 years of age because to me it seems you are having a great laugh about it all and to call someone a "Kid" when they are no where near one is quite rude and it seems you have not done your homework.

I would imagine 22 years would be classed as let's say a "young adult" at the best of times I do not behave like one which I will admit, Though for the record will you call Mike at MDD a kid because of his age, He is somewhat in the range of myself so I would keep your comments low on calling someone a kid.

Ripping content yes it was wrong and dirty and it was a huge mistake though I do not take kindly to the words you use - You call yourself a teacher, Go back and teach!

Honestly I am tired of the assumptions people like to pass off to make them feel better or to look smart. I admitted to the wrong doing and that should be the end of it ... If you wish to take the piss be my guest though if it makes you feel any better I do not tend to really move anywhere even with your damaging comments as you can only grow from it!

The mistake I made might cost me a reputation but I would be a sissy to let it defeat me.

I have contacted the Moderators about this and soon to John for the valid proof of these e-mails that never eventuated in any of my inboxe(s).

Thank you.

Please, continue posting. :rofl: All you're doing is polishing off what's left of your reputation. :agree:

Have fun ripping!

Please, continue posting. :rofl: All you're doing is polishing off what's left of your reputation. :agree:


Not that you have one either! I have heard many stories about you "Steve" and most if not all are horrible.

Not that you have one either! I have heard many stories about you "Steve" and most if not all are horrible.LOL, thanks for making me laugh again. :D

LOL, thanks for making me laugh again. :DYou even have an attitude, I can see why Payton Designs truly has something against you and I actually do not blame him :)

You know Sean, back in the olden days a thief would lose his hand, and thats exactly what you are... a THIEF!

Wther hotlinking or not you stole his code and graphics which is digital theft. You run around WHT like you own the place telling everyone what sites are ripping what from where, yet you done it yourself and unlike the rest you are pushing the blame onto the person you stole from.

I went on your site several times since this thread was started and not once was you on live chat so that was not an option for him, if you claim you did not receive the emails why not make sure there is not a backlog of undelivered mail in your mailbox, maybe its a server issue... To be honest if I was your mailserver I would not deliver mail to your inbox either because you would probably steal your own email... LOL

You can run away and hide from the situation by repeating yourself over and over again but over a thousand people have seen this already, so now a slice of the WHT community know you as a thief, not to mention the auto-post bots who will copy the thread to a blog and get plastered on site after site...

Happy ripping dude, nice to know that you would steal my credit card details if i ever (unlikely) hosted with you...


FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD...!

I went on your site several times since this thread was started and not once was you on live chat so that was not an option for him
AIM, MSN, Private Messages are alternatives and do not just focus on the live chat!

I am not saying John never sent the e-mails, But it would be nice to see the proof from it!

See here we go again, Some one who likes to make assumptions to where the problems may be, NO e-mails on our server are not back logged and I receive all my e-mails perfectly.

Sure - I have said several times it is now time for John and I to talk so clearly I am not passing on the buck back to John. You clearly do not read my posts and like to make these assumptions.

i read every letter of your post and have come to the same conclusion, thief... LOL

OK how about a little example, if I went to your house and stole your car, then called you off your mobile phone to tell you it was a mistake and i would return it as soon as i have dealt with my personal issues would you forgive me?

OK how about a little example, if I went to your house and stole your car, then called you off your mobile phone to tell you it was a mistake and i would return it as soon as i have dealt with my personal issues would you forgive me?
Yes, Because I am that kind of person.

You do not know me as a person so you cannot make any assumptions to what I would or would not do! :)

If you want to sit here all day and debate it that is fine with me but it will not get you anywhere but in a bad thread.

I think quoting a lot of what you posted would make my response very long, so I will try to respond accordingly to your most important question, where was the contact. When I went to your site I noticed you were not on live chat (I visited quite a few times) and rather than send a sales email (that would be very petty) I found your abuse email and simply sent a few DMCA notices. I have a DMCA generator (very handy) and filled it out and sent it to abuse@atechosting.com. I did this about 3 times, so I am not sure if mail is not getting to that address or going to spam because of the generator, but I didn't receive any acknowledgment from you there.

The point being is, why copy the buttons and all this in the first place? Did you think I would simply ignore all of this and act like it was perfectly fine? I find it hypocritical that you blast other people for "ripping" you, but when the tables have turned you are so quick to point the fingers back. Even in your own admission in the private message you sent me you made it known that you were ignoring me because I had been rude to you. So if you were ignoring me as you said you were, what different would it have made to use those other means of communication? I admit, I probably could have gotten in better contact with you before this, but honestly the sheer act of you doing this is really bad, not only for you but for your business.

My question is just why? Why even try to copy anything of mine. I just do not understand where the logic in that lies? I have said this before and I will say it again I have no problems with you personally Sean and I do apologize if you had some family issues that kept you from responding to me, but that doesn't excuse your actions. What needs to happen is the removal of the content. The only thing left is the blue bar (and I apologize if you have done this already, I have not checked).

So in all honesty I just want it to be clearly imprinted onto you that you need your own identity my friend. Do not look to my design as a means for your sole inspiration, because obviously you lack self-control. You can't say copying me was "unintentional" because the act in and of itself is intentional in what you wanted to do.

lol i seriously doubt your 'that kind of guy' considering you stole off someone yourself...

Hey guys, this thread is done. Lets all get back to work!

;6622131']Hey guys, this thread is done. Lets all get back to work!

Agreed, if my design work is removed, I have no further problems with aTechosting or Sean. A moderator can close this thread and let it fade away.

lol i seriously doubt your 'that kind of guy' considering you stole off someone yourself...
Keep doubting as this is not about you. Gee you do like to keep it going don't you?

I think quoting a lot of what you posted would make my response very long, so I will try to respond accordingly to your most important question, where was the contact. When I went to your site I noticed you were not on live chat (I visited quite a few times) and rather than send a sales email (that would be very petty) I found your abuse email and simply sent a few DMCA notices. I have a DMCA generator (very handy) and filled it out and sent it to abuse@atechosting.com. I did this about 3 times, so I am not sure if mail is not getting to that address or going to spam because of the generator, but I didn't receive any acknowledgment from you there.

The point being is, why copy the buttons and all this in the first place? Did you think I would simply ignore all of this and act like it was perfectly fine? I find it hypocritical that you blast other people for "ripping" you, but when the tables have turned you are so quick to point the fingers back. Even in your own admission in the private message you sent me you made it known that you were ignoring me because I had been rude to you. So if you were ignoring me as you said you were, what different would it have made to use those other means of communication? I admit, I probably could have gotten in better contact with you before this, but honestly the sheer act of you doing this is really bad, not only for you but for your business.

My question is just why? Why even try to copy anything of mine. I just do not understand where the logic in that lies? I have said this before and I will say it again I have no problems with you personally Sean and I do apologize if you had some family issues that kept you from responding to me, but that doesn't excuse your actions. What needs to happen is the removal of the content. The only thing left is the blue bar (and I apologize if you have done this already, I have not checked).

So in all honesty I just want it to be clearly imprinted onto you that you need your own identity my friend. Do not look to my design as a means for your sole inspiration, because obviously you lack self-control. You can't say copying me was "unintentional" because the act in and of itself is intentional in what you wanted to do.
I will admit I do have family issues at the moment, I do have a Part-Time Job to cover costs of server management and so on to keep the services running so, NO I do not keep live chat running 24x7 as their would not be anyone their to man it.

I work a usual day 9am to 6pm so I do not have time to check all my e-mails, time to respond to threads, or to look for threads that might be of a concern to me.

It was not till it was pointed out to me yesterday that I come here to make a reply. I did receive constant live chat requests since that time and I have for the time being closed that connection as it would be a deterrence and for people to just come and blast me or keep referring me to this thread where I know about it already.

As far as the ABUSE sector goes, I have this all setup in my Outlook and in both of them it does not show any e-mails that come from Allurehost. If I had received them I would not of have ignored them and promptly discussed this with you John, The content related would of been removed accordingly to your DMCA as a request from you.

My intentions everyone keeps saying was intentional, I think people are reading it wrong. I never said my actions were intentional and that I was not aware of what I was doing. People need to understand that my actions were intentional as I knew what I was doing but my actions were not intentional for hot linking (Please do re-read people) you seem to mis-read quite a bit on that.

I will rephrase that my intentions for the content were intentional but not for the hot linking :(

John, I cannot tell you why but my intentions were more to the inspiration, it had nothing to do with your attitude against me in the private message and my ignorance to it was in no way an affiliate to taking the buttons and other content.

The content was very nice and I felt that it would be a nice look and I do honestly believe that what I was doing was not as bad as it seemed but clearly it was.

Yes, I do not like ripping but it was the worst mistake that I ever made to this point in time and yes I have agreed that my stupidity did go beyond what it should of have. I have advised you that it will not re-occur in the future and I wanted people to realize that.

As far as the e-mails and DMCA are concerned, I would of preferred a message at WHT as you do know I post here a lot and I would of definitely received that. You could of at least sent a message as a last resort before making this post here as I could of checked on the server to assure whether the e-mails were being blocked or marked as spam for any reasons.

I did contact you for a design and I will admit I chose the routes that I thought were appropriate and maybe I was wrong in choosing Live Chat as a viable option but I thought at the time it was a route none the less.

I have said and will continue to say that my actions were inappropriate and rest assured the content will be removed as soon as possible.

Thank you.

Right, well my thought was that you were ignoring me if you didn't receive those DMCA notices because when I used the generator before (in the instance of someone hosted with ThePlanet) they got back to me right away.

I also did post this in your own thread in hopes you would catch the hint, but I guess you never read it...

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpost.php?p=6616500&postcount=11

Closed by request of the OP.