Hi

I have been a member for this forum for almost a year. We met http://paytondesigns.com/ payton and he told us he would build us a original website for our hosting side of the company.

We thought it would be a relief of having someone else from a popular forum do our site but....

He is selling duplicating clients template...

I have just found this out so sorry for the delay in my responses.....

I would like to do something about him and our design

Can someone offer suggestions

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can you tell us which template ?

It looks like hammerhosting.com and webinternethosting.com has the same look...

Just a quick question...

How do you know that hammerhost hasnt stolen your domain. Ive purchased from Payton Designers over time and had no problems.

Im sure if you contact them you will get an answer.

Dom

I just check again http://hammerhosting.com/ is up and running...

I guess it's back online, when I tried it about 10mins ago I got an error.

Just a quick question...

How do you know that hammerhost hasnt stolen your domain. Ive purchased from Payton Designers over time and had no problems.

Im sure if you contact them you will get an answer.

Dom

I have contacted them today and when these post about us stealing a template is false.

Payton need to respond, they are online thats they job

Payton do get quite busy and there not online at all hours of the day. Im pretty sure they will respond.

Have you given them a link to this thread so that they can at least reply to the allegations made?

I will forward this on to them now.

Dom

This is quite disturbing... Didnt you read the topic where he failed to show proof that he purchased the design? I'm not sure what you are talking about but its quite rude to accuse me of false accusations without even contacting me to discuss it. You sent me 3 Private Messages, all within 10 minutes and decide to post on the forums because I didn't reply? I'm not on these forums 24/7...

You are crazy, I sold you a template and it has since been stolen obviously. Why dont you send a DMCA?

How did the template get stolen sir???

This is untrue, Payton new this site was here in december and he did not say or contact us about the design being stolen

How did the template get stolen sir???

There's plenty of software that can be used to rip a site. Payton has done business with hundreds if not thousands of clients, and the vast majority of them are satisfied. I really doubt payton would ruin his company's reputation for a quick hundred bucks or so by selling you a ripped template. Maybe you should've talked to payton first instead of immediately jumping on WHT and using it to trash Payton's hard earned reputation.

Who is HammerHosting.com??? Let talk to them and see if they would be dumb enough to steal the template...????

Im looking for thread where these guys HammerHosting.com was trying to get partners

Who is HammerHosting.com??? Let talk to them and see if they would be dumb enough to steal the template...????
Unfortunately templates get stolen all the time. Check out the Web Hosting board; there's usually 1-2 new threads per week about stolen templates (also called "rips")

I'd suggest that you go through the proper channels - e.g. send a DMCA - instead of accussing someone else without any evidence.

Hello,
Stealing templates is an all too common problem in the hosting industry. This is often called Design Ripping (Do a Search on the forums and you will see what I mean). There are several tools that can be downloaded to allow a person to make a copy of your website, this is the way most people steal templates. I would not account Payton Designs of fraud. I have used Payton Designs myself and have had nothing but fast and professional services. In fact I am going to post a few reviews when I get a few moments.

Since Payton reports that he sold you the template to you, I must side with you as the legit site. I would send a DMCA. You can also start a thread called "HammerHosting RIPPED my Design" that would be a more approiate title :D.

It is funny reading HammerHosting's TOS "Any ripping of any of HammerHosting websites is strictly prohibited on our servers"

PROOF!!!!!

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At the end of the day people can believe what they like. I can only say what happened on my behalf. I am in the middle of disputing with this David Casson to get back my $45.

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So guys stop playing games with me, I am about good business....

Unfortunately templates get stolen all the time. Check out the Web Hosting board; there's usually 1-2 new threads per week about stolen templates (also called "rips")

I'd suggest that you go through the proper channels - e.g. send a DMCA - instead of accussing someone else without any evidence.

I am not accusing anyone, Look at the thread buddy then you decide who is honest or not.....

Sorry have i missed something or "HOW IS THAT PROOF" Just because of someones name on AIM doesnt prove anything.

Theres a simple thing to do. Check the archive. Be right back :)

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At the end of the day people can believe what they like. I can only say what happened on my behalf. I am in the middle of disputing with this David Casson to get back my $45.

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So guys stop playing games with me, I am about good business....

Do you need to see my emails to Payton?????

Can i be nice and ask the following question :

You are affiliated with WPDESIGNZ Media LLC and you design templates. Why are you paying someone else to design your website?

This sounds bogus but i actually think your just kicking up a fuss for nothing.

Your LLC Registered Address :

Redding, Cornelius
WPDESIGNZ Media llc
6323 Bradshaw Dr
Columbus, Georgia 31907
United States
4045517358

So who are you... A design company or a hosting company or both?

I am not accusing anyone, Look at the thread buddy then you decide who is honest or not.....
I made my post since you didn't post any evidence (*at the time that I posted*) whatsoever to support your claims (and I see template ripping all the time).

Hence *at the time that I posted* it seemed more likely that this was just a template rip.

Look

You really dont have any thing to do with this... I have a design that I purchase and there is someone else that has been actively posting on this forum with the same site and you think PAYTON didnt know this with all these friends on here or crooks

I made my post since you didn't post any evidence (*at the time that I posted*) whatsoever to support your claims (and I see template ripping all the time).

Hence *at the time that I posted* it seemed more likely that this was just a template rip.

No one email me or contacted me so I just found out by one of your members came to my site and left me a message saying they are bashing you guys on web hosting talk.


I still have that comment and ip address of that person.

Im just getting to the bottom of the story and to help the thread along.

If i dont have anything to do with this then why post to make it public knowledge?

You cant post on a public forum and ask for opinions and advice then to slap another person in the chops for contributing.

Dom

Can i be nice and ask the following question :

You are affiliated with WPDESIGNZ Media LLC and you design templates. Why are you paying someone else to design your website?

This sounds bogus but i actually think your just kicking up a fuss for nothing.

Your LLC Registered Address :

Redding, Cornelius
WPDESIGNZ Media llc
6323 Bradshaw Dr
Columbus, Georgia 31907
United States
4045517358

So who are you... A design company or a hosting company or both?

wrong...but right

WPDesignz Media LLC
po box 90803
atlanta ga 30364

and you dont have anything to do with this.....

Thread reported for removal as if you dont want any advice from people then its pointless the thread being on here.

This is between you and payton... good luck however i would seriously think about posting a thread that you dont want made public again.

Dom

Thread reported for removal as if you dont want any advice from people then its pointless the thread being on here.

This is between you and payton... good luck however i would seriously think about posting a thread that you dont want made public again.

Dom

Look you are not offering help buddy you posting all my information online and everything

If the moderators feel I am wrong then its nothing but crooks on this site...

You may want to check your whois information then as thats public knowledge as well.

Just out of curiosity how long have you been in the hosting business?

Everyone knows about WHOIS. The only way to hide the details is via Whois Protection.

Dom

The only reason i am scrutinizing is because your a relatively new member.

You have been on here less than 1 year and people may find it hard to believe that payton allegedly conned you out of a design.

Once all proof has been posted im sure i can help you further.

Dom

You are Payton are you???

He is online but not trying to handle the situation like a man...

I will contact HammerHosting.com and see what they have to say.....

So let me understand this line of thinking. You bought a template from Payton. You now see that some other host is using the same design. So without any proper investigation, you conclude that Payton is the culprit?

How old are you, anyways? You sound like you're about 14. Give your head a shake and take a breath. Perhaps before you make libelous posts about a reputable designer, you should exercise due diligence first by properly investigating. You rat-tat-tat Payton with 3 PMs, and because he doesn't reply by the time the Sesame Street program you are watching is over, you create a thread slamming him? Incredible.

And then to top it off, you blast away at anyone who challenges you, after you created a thread in a public forum asking for opinions.

Wow. Grow up. You're embarrassing yourself.

Vito

hmmm. TrustaHost is Payton?

Dont think so. A moderator will confirm that i have a static ip address in the UK and payton should be logging in on an American IP Address.

Dom

So let me understand this line of thinking. You bought a template from Payton. You now see that some other host is using the same design. So without any proper investigation, you conclude that Payton is the culprit?

How old are you, anyways? You sound like you're about 14. Give your head a shake and take a breath. Perhaps before you make libelous posts about a reputable designer, you should exercise due diligence first by properly investigating. You rat-tat-tat Payton with 3 PMs, and because he doesn't reply by the time the Sesame Street program you are watching is over, you create a thread slamming him? Incredible.

And then to top it off, you blast away at anyone who challenges you, after you created a thread in a public forum asking for opinions.

Wow. Grow up. You're embarrassing yourself.

Vito

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Wow, so you have proven you know how to copy/paste. (we're all very impressed). What does that prove? It's just a WHOIS of hammerhosting.

BTW, why are you bothering to PM me to simply ask "Who are you?". I'm a member of this community who has been around long enough to recognize when someone is making a fool of himself publicly.

Vito

WHATEVER....

THE FACTS ARE I PURCHASE FROM PAYTON DESIGNS AND NOW HAMMERHOSTING.com HAS THE SAME TEMPLATE...

WHATEVER....

THE FACTS ARE I PURCHASE FROM PAYTON DESIGNS AND NOW HAMMERHOSTING.com HAS THE SAME TEMPLATE...

It's called a rip. They use a program to grab your entire site from your server, and then use it as their own.

How hard is that to understand? Your design was STOLEN, not RESOLD.

WHATEVER....

THE FACTS ARE I PURCHASE FROM PAYTON DESIGNS AND NOW HAMMERHOSTING.com HAS THE SAME TEMPLATE...

You aren't going to get ANY respect the way you're acting, bashing those who are trying to help you and disrespecting reputable members of this forum.

Just send a DMCA to abuse@weservit.nl

Here is proof I wanted a original design


Could you provide me with an email address to send a design questionaire over?

Thanks!

I have made payment. You can get started on the site. I do want you to build webinternethosting.com the best. i know you can do it. it took me a while to select the right person for the job.

cornelius


Hi,

I've had clients pay half up front and never return to pay the additional half after I had invested all my time to complete the design.

The only way we deal since then is full payment up front.

I run a very reputable company and we are very well-known on these forums. If you are unsatisfied, you will be refunded although it has never happened in the past where a client went un-happy with their design.

If you are hesitant, I can direct you to past clients for a review.



Why do require the money upfront. What about half now and half when project complete. This way it covers both of us being 100% satisfied. Im ready to make first payment if you send me an invoice.

Hi,

Correct, the website will be 100% unique with original content.

It will include the hosting plans page with a content page. Additional pages can easily be added.

The website will be completely integrated with WHMCS and fully functional with ENOM.

The website will take roughly two weeks from start to finish.

Okay before i make a payment, under contract you are going to give a complete original website with copy scape content working completly with enom and whmcs billing.

Hi,

I can get started immediately. Here's the ordering link when you are ready to get started:

http://www.paytondesigns.com/sales/cart.php?a=add&pid=4

Okay when can you get started.

I want something incredible.

cornelius


Hi,

I can't just provide you an example. Our designs take two weeks to complete because of the stunning work.

Hi,

Okay, give me an example for webinternethosting.com.




I can get you something amazing for $300. Let me know if you are interested or have any questions or comments.



Hi,

I would like to have you redo my webinternethosting.com site. I have some customers but the site is not where it suppoed to be. i want the best you can offer.

cornelius

WHATEVER....

THE FACTS ARE I PURCHASE FROM PAYTON DESIGNS AND NOW HAMMERHOSTING.com HAS THE SAME TEMPLATE...
Correct. And the proper steps are:
1. Contact Payton with your concern (and give him more than 1/2 hour to reply on a weekend!!)
2. Contact hammerhosting and ask where they got their design.
3. Once you figure out who the crook is, then take appropriate legal action.

Instead, you chose to jump the gun and post libelous statements against the designer.

Can you see/understand the difference?

Vito

It's called a rip. They use a program to grab your entire site from your server, and then use it as their own.

How hard is that to understand? Your design was STOLEN, not RESOLD.

How do you know???

Have you talk to HammerHosting.com or Payton???

NO

So who made you judge and jury....

No Offence but if you cant listen to long term members who are talking sense then maybe you shouldnt be here.

Im getting tired of listing to the bickering.

Just do the right thing :


Correct. And the proper steps are:
1. Contact Payton with your concern (and give him more than 1/2 hour to reply on a weekend!!)
2. Contact hammerhosting and ask where they got their design.
3. Once you figure out who the crook is, then take appropriate legal action.

Instead, you chose to jump the gun and post libelous statements against the designer.

Can you see/understand the difference?

Vito

I'm not sure how we got to this point, but I cannot fathom how you have leapt to the conclusion that Payton has sold your design on or whatever.

More to the point, you seem to have an issue with patience, please take the time to resolve this directly with Payton rather than posting random allegations here.

I have used Payton in the past, and I know who I have more faith in between you two.

Ok

Payton does not know how to categorize his emails as low or critical.

When he was doing my site he responded like i did not pay him up front.

I really dont know if he is honest or not because of his customer service skills

caredding, there are many things you should learn about web designs:

1. Stealing designs is very common, half of the internet is using the designs stolen from the other half of the internet.

2. There is nothing to prevent it. Payton cannot do anything, you cannot do anything to prevent it.

3. If you encounter a website that is using your design, you can stop them using it.

4. To stop a website, you should contact them first and explain the situation that the design they are using is actually yours.

5. In more than half of these cases, the other website with your design is also a victim of design theft. They probably contacted another designer to create a unique design for them, but the designer stole your design and sold it to them, without their knowledge.

6. If that's the case, the website owners will take the design down from their website.

7. If they refuse to take down the design in 24 hours, you should contact their host, and ask for them to close that website. This is called a DMCA notice and it can take upto 48 hours to wait for a result.

8. Accusing people without proper research is considered very immature and makes someone look incompetent for potential hosting customers.

Well put harzem

Ok


all opinions are welcome but i will be away from my computer for about 24 hours.

Just to let you guys know I will not post anymore till the morning, so if you know Payton, let him know to take care of this problem and email me with his solution.

Ok


all opinions are welcome but i will be away from my computer for about 24 hours.

Just to let you guys know I will not post anymore till the morning, so if you know Payton, let him know to take care of this problem and email me with his solution.

If you purchased the design with full ownership rights (which you said you have), then there is legally nothing Payton can do, because the design is not theirs anymore, but yours.

You should follow my recommendations for a solution, contact hammerhosting and ask for clarification.

Thank You I have contacted Hammer Host.com he has an account with you guys and please contact HammerHosting.com so maybe someone can explain what is going on

Thank You I have contacted Hammer Host.com
Good to hear. Hopefully it gets resolved soon.