It really makes me sick to see people like this. I work hard to earn a living and I take GREAT exception to people who directly take money out of my pocket. Some of you may know me. I own www.DemoDemo.com . I sell Flash tutorials to web hosts.

In the last hour I just received a visitor from www.support-site.com . If you go to that site, you can see that they are linking DIRECTLY to my site. Aside from deciding not to buy from me, they are STEALING MY BANDWIDTH.

www.support-site.com appears to be owned by www.accessglobe.net . Seemingly a decent size web hosting company. HOW PATHETIC is it that they deem my product worth offering to their customers but they can't part with a measly $60 to buy their own tutorials legitimately. Instead, they choose to STEAL bandwidth from another business.

I will be sending them appropriate communication requesting that they cease and desist from using my product and bandwidth ILLEGALLY. However, I wish to report them first to their upstream providers. When doing a whois, it seems they have 8 nameservers, so they're likely a decent size company (makes this rip all the more pathetic). So they likely have their own servers.

In the event they take the page down before their provider can check it out, I have taken a screenshot of it showing the link to my site (I took the screenshot hovering one of the links). Besides that, I have my access logs.

So who do I report them to? Here is where I am relying on your wisdom and experience to help guide me in the right direction. I want to make an example of this pathetic attempt to save $60.

Do I sound pi$$ed off? You betcha...

Vito

They appear to be located at Dialtone Internet. If they don't agree to cease and desist immediately, I would contact Dialtone.

Also, I would block their ip/website.

hehe. They have a nice FAQ page there. Just a pity that they don't pay for your tutorials and not just link to them. :D

And they still get the "Water Hosting.com" title on the main page of the Demos too. You'd think that would be a sufficient deterant for this kind of activity. :rolleyes: :emlaugh:

Can't you block their site using .htaccess?

Or - even better - redirect all visitors referred from thier site to a nice page explaining the situation, like this one :)

Solution: Change your links internally, then replace where they are linking with a "friendly" message

:D

You should rename your tutorial files to something like .tutorial - so you would have http://www.demodemo.com/tutorials/cpanel_default_POP.tutorial

Simply add an MIME type so that .tutorial is interpreted the same as .html, then enable hot linking, so people can't hot link to files with the extension ".tutorial". This way you can link from your own site, but anyone trying to link externally will have to go via your homepage before they can get at the movies and can't link direct like support-site.com have done.

You don't want to ban hot linking to .html as people can't link to most of your site then, so do the above and that should stop people doing what support-site.com are.

Just a suggestion :)

If I were you (and I'm not) I'd skip the cease and desist and contact Dialtone immediately.

This is different from regular theft of bandwidth. This time they are also stealing a product/service that you sell. Send a copy of the complaint to accessglobe along with one to accessglobe. Then take a screenshot of the page that links to all the flash movies and include that with the invoice you'll send to accessglobe to be compensated for your hardwork. If I were you (again I'm not), I'd also set payment terms to 10 business days with payment by check.

That should teach those crooks a lesson or two.

Originally posted by clockwork
Solution: Change your links internally, then replace where they are linking with a "friendly" message

:D
And what would that "friendly" message be?? :D :emlaugh:

I just had a look at their site, all links seem like internal links to me.
Hopefully their didn't just download your site..?

http://www.support-site.com/tutorials.htm

i am the designer for accessglobe.net. i put that up on the site for no more than 15 minutes to show the vice-president what i thought was an excellent idea. in no way would we ever keep something up that has another hosting company's name on it. i would have had him purchase your product on monday. but thanks for the thread without contacting us personally. have a nice night.

Originally posted by salvatore3
but thanks for the thread without contacting us personally.
What you did was wrong nonetheless and the owner should have contacted you first???

Perhaps it should be the other way around don't you think?

Originally posted by cyansmoker
I just had a look at their site, all links seem like internal links to me.
Hopefully their didn't just download your site..?

As you can see from the post by akash, they are linking DIRECTLY to my site. What gave it away was my trusty monitoring program from my other site (I won't mention it here - self-promotion is inappropriate) where I see visitors on my site in REAL TIME and it shows the referer link. So I just had to click on the link to discover the culprit.

I just got off the phone with dialtoneinternet who were not too happy with the news. They assured me there would be swift action on this. I need to contact the Director of their Abuse Dept tomorrow morning to confirm what they intend to do about it. Dialtoneinternet has already visited the site and confirmed that they are in fact STEALING PRODUCT AND BANDWIDTH.

So time will tell. I will see tomorrow morning just how diligent dialtoneinternet is about these types of issues.

And salvatore3, your lame excuse is pathetic. If you wanted to show your vice-president the product, you would just provide him with a link to my site, WOULDN'T YOU?? I've never heard of anyone hotlinking to a site to present a product to his boss. But you know what? I'm not going to bother arguing with you. Screen captures have been taken. Access logs have been saved. Dialtoneinternet has been notified, and they have verified the ILLEGAL activity. Tomorrow will tell what price will be paid for this sad sad attempt to save $60.

It's not over yet...

Vito

funny how the page has been taken down....

vito, do you intend to persue this to the fullest extent?

its no lame excuse , its the truth. if i was you in the future i would just send a nice email stating that youve tried the product now please buy it. i had it up there for maybe 15 minutes. so i dont know what you actually think your going to do about it, but we will see. since you do not except the truth, i dont know what to tell you. i put it up the way i wanted the end result to look to save me time tommorrow. thats why i set it all up. we dont get many support requests on sunday evening so i knew that no customers would be seeing it until i had the final version. now if you'll excuse me the sopranos are on, take care.

Originally posted by akash
funny how the page has been taken down....

vito, do you intend to persue this to the fullest extent?
akash, let me tell you something about myself. I am a peace loving easy going guy who rolls with the punches like everyone else. Until someone crosses me. Then you are faced with a pitbull the likes of which you've never seen before.

Unlike those sad threads about Timmah where he is allowed to run wild cheating everyone and never really being confronted by the authorities, I will MAKE IT A POINT to ensure that accessglobe.net is made accountable to the FULLEST EXTENT.

By the time I'm done, this will be the most expensive $60 they EVER saved...

Vito

salvatore3:

Don't bother posting as I will not even bother dignifying your posts with a reply. You and your bosses will simply have to deal with dialtoneinternet tomorrow.


Vito

if i was you in the future i would just send a nice email stating that youve tried the product now please buy it.

eh....did vito ever offer a free trial. You're site was live, so that visitors could access and use it. If you were showing it to your boss, you could have put it up in a protected directory, or shown it to him off a public network.

now if you'll excuse me the sopranos are on, take care.

:wavey: Have a nice day tomorrow :)

vito, your page is down for me

Originally posted by akash


:wavey: Have a nice day tomorrow :)

I love that akash! It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I wonder how Dialtone is going to react to this unexplainable issue.

Originally posted by salvatore3
i am the designer for accessglobe.net.
You just might be the EX designer for accessglobe.net after this is all said and done.

Heck, you can't even write in paragraphs or use capital letters. LOL

Originally posted by Centralized
I love that akash! It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I wonder how Dialtone is going to react to this unexplainable issue.
If the reason was it was "just to show the boss" and the links have been taken down. I don't see any further issues here. I mean who would use those links with the "Water Hosting.com" on the opening page?

I believe his explanation. Maybe he just could have asked Vito first etc.

If this company is as big as Vito was making out to be... Im guessing DialTone will do nothing but give them a warning...

It would be Interesting to know what happens tomorrow or whenver it is.. Chances are nothing and this thread will be at the bottom of the pile like many that have turned normal people in to Pit Bulls.

At no time am i saying Vito doesnt have a valid point because he has a very valid point but then again Money talks and bull walks.

In this case pitbulls

Kind regards
Phillip

Originally posted by Aussie Bob

If the reason was it was "just to show the boss" and the links have been taken down. I don't see any further issues here. I mean who would use those links with the "Water Hosting.com" on the opening page?

I believe his explanation. Maybe he just could have asked Vito first etc.

couldn't he have just pointed his boss to the site, or put the "sample site" in a location not accessible to the public?

It's like me saying "I was just borrowing that diamond ring to see if my girlfriend wanted to marry me or not. If she says no, I'll return it tomorrow. If she says yes, I'll pay for it."

Bob, if you want to show your boss a product, why wouldn't you just provide a link to the DemoDemo site?

He actually went to the trouble of creating a link from www.support-site.com to www.support-site.com/tutorials.htm IN LIVE MODE. He actually CREATED an entire page hot-linking to my product. NOT in a private area where only his boss would see it. But in a PUBLIC area where all their customers could make use of the links. Does that seem logical to you? It certainly doesn't to me.

Well, time will tell just how much weight dialtoneinternet puts on illegal activity. I have just pre-emptively sent an email to the Director of Abuse at Dialtoneinternet, in anticipation of my phone call to him tomorrow morning.

I will let you know what happens. One thing is for sure. I will not let this go until I have exhausted every avenue.

Vito

Originally posted by vito
Bob, if you want to show your boss a product, why wouldn't you just provide a link to the DemoDemo site?

He actually went to the trouble of creating a link from www.support-site.com to www.support-site.com/tutorials.htm IN LIVE MODE. He actually CREATED an entire page hot-linking to my product. NOT in a private area where only his boss would see it. But in a PUBLIC area where all their customers could make use of the links. Does that seem logical to you? It certainly doesn't to me.

Well, time will tell just how much weight dialtoneinternet puts on illegal activity. I have just pre-emptively sent an email to the Director of Abuse at Dialtoneinternet, in anticipation of my phone call to him tomorrow morning.

I will let you know what happens. One thing is for sure. I will not let this go until I have exhausted every avenue.

Vito
Hey, I'm not saying it was right. Just looking at it from another perspective. Maybe he was just wanting to show the boss so the boss could GET A FEEL FOR HOW IT WOULD WORK? It's not like they would use those with the "Water Hosting.com" splashed all over the opening pages of each demo? :)

I would hardly expect Dialtone to pull all their servers because of this issue. Would you? :)

Bob's famous saying... "I'm not saying it was right" yet appears to defend them. ;)

Originally posted by Curtis H.
Bob's famous saying... "I'm not saying it was right" yet appears to defend them. ;)
:rolleyes:

I think what Dialtone will probably do is, send them a warning, ask them to remove the content (which they already have) and verify the content removal. I presume they will then inform DemoDemo.com to take any further action independently. As Bob said, I wouldn’t expect them to yank all the servers off the racks because of this, but time will tell :)

The reason I believe his story is that who in their right mind would use the DemoDemo tutorials direct with the "Water Hosting.com" logo splashed all over the intro pages for each tutorial?

Hence I believe that this was just a temporary inclusion meant to "show the boss".

Can anyone provide solid proof that this was not temporary? Curtis, any intelligent input from you here? No. I didn't think so. :emlaugh:

[b]I'm not saying that this was right. He should have asked Vito's permission before using those links. I'm just saying things are not always black and white - right or wrong.

Just trying to keep an open mind and be objective. Objectivity is still allowed these days, isn't it?? :)

BTW, Vito - I take it you tried to resolve this one in private before bringing the issue onto WHT like this? :)

Originally posted by Aussie Bob
Curtis, any intelligent input from you here? No. I didn't think so. :emlaugh:
No Bob. Your right as usual. I'm wrong. Ramble on.

Originally posted by Curtis H.
No Bob.....
Big surprise. :rolleyes:

BTW, Vito - I take it you tried to resolve this one in private before bringing the issue onto WHT like this?
Bob, why in the world would I even consider handling this privately first?? If you catch someone with a hand in the cookie jar, what do you THINK they're going to do? Pull it out, of course!

My intention here was to show the BLATANT ripping of product and bandwidth BEFORE they took it offline. They would have to be complete idiots to leave it online after being caught in the act.

But you know what? You may think they're going to just get a slap on the wrist. And after talking to the Abuse Dept Director tomorrow morning, that's very well what he might suggest. But that's just not good enough. I would suspect that Dialtoneinternet will have to take a good hard look at what that would do to their integrity and reputation as a provider. Because I do NOT intend to let go of this.

Vito

Originally posted by vito
Bob, why in the world would I even consider handling this privately first??
Ok. It's your deal. Good luck. Each to his own. :)

Well if it was a temp. thing..then i think vito just jumped the gun a bit too fast.

It's not like it was up for more than 24 hours right...? how much BW did he steal anyway....is it enough to start such a big war about less than 5MB of BW...if it was that little anyways...

A private email would have been a tad more professional...

just my 2 cents. :cartman:

A private email would have been a tad more professional...

Frankly, I have no idea what the amount of time has to do with it. What does 24 hours have to do with it? 2 hours? 100 hours? What's the difference? Theft is theft. It's not a matter of the monetary value of the bandwidth stolen. It has to to with the INTENT of the act. And the intent here is glaringly apparent.

And in terms of professionalism, I would suggest that PAYING for product and not RIPPING illegal bandwidth is what you should refer to. Not the fact that I post this thread. I have no intention of offering a thief the COURTESY and the OPTION of retracting his criminal activity. As far as I'm concerned, they lose all privileges of courtesy the moment they steal from me...

Vito

Originally posted by vito
It has to to with the INTENT of the act. And the intent here is glaringly apparent.
Not from where I'm positioned. How can you prove their intent? How do you know their intent?
Originally posted by salvatore3 here (http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91541#post714357)
i put that up on the site for no more than 15 minutes to show the vice-president what i thought was an excellent idea. in no way would we ever keep something up that has another hosting company's name on it. i would have had him purchase your product on monday.
According to that post, their "intent" was - "to show the vice-president what i thought was an excellent idea". This would have best been resolved in private. You could have still taken all the screenshots, logs etc, for your "case". You probably would have secured a customer too. I'd say those chances are slim to nothing now. :)

BTW, when you bring an issue like this to WHT, you get to listen to folks like me rambling on with their opinions. It's also good to get as many perspectives on an issue as sometimes our own judgements can be clouded by emotions. :)

Bob, I have no problem with hearing your opinion. I don't necessarily have to agree with it, but that's OK too.

I won't belabor the point. The intent in my mind is quite obvious. As a "professional" webmaster working for a "professional" company, you simply do not use other people's bandwidth to make a presentation to your boss. There are infinite options to do it legitimately. Screenshots, links to DemoDemo, heck even saving a movie to your own hard drive and presenting that in private. But NOT setting up publically accessible pages that your customers can access (I can't believe I even have to elaborate on that point).

And pcsteve, regarding the AMOUNT of bandwidth stolen, it's a non issue. Why don't you ask Walmart why they prosecute a shoplifter for stealing a $3.00 item? After all what is that compared to the millions they reap every day? The amount is not the issue. The act is.

Vito

Originally posted by vito
Bob, I have no problem with hearing your opinion. I don't necessarily have to agree with it, but that's OK too.
That's the beauty of a community like this. We don't all have to agree as we all see things from different angles. I'm just letting you know how I see this one and maybe my opinion here can be added to your understanding.

What you have here is a collective of knowledge and opinions. I've long given up on the notion that my opinions and understanding lay the foundations for universal truths. Nothing is black and white these days. I almost envy those folks who still think the world works that way.

Hope you resolve this one. :)

Originally posted by salvatore3
i am the designer for accessglobe.net. i put that up on the site for no more than 15 minutes to show the vice-president what i thought was an excellent idea. in no way would we ever keep something up that has another hosting company's name on it. i would have had him purchase your product on monday. but thanks for the thread without contacting us personally. have a nice night.
Originally posted by salvatore3
its no lame excuse , its the truth. if i was you in the future i would just send a nice email stating that youve tried the product now please buy it. i had it up there for maybe 15 minutes. so i dont know what you actually think your going to do about it, but we will see. since you do not except the truth, i dont know what to tell you. i put it up the way i wanted the end result to look to save me time tommorrow. thats why i set it all up. we dont get many support requests on sunday evening so i knew that no customers would be seeing it until i had the final version. now if you'll excuse me the sopranos are on, take care.
Somewhere here is an apology? Anyway, issue has been resolved, so I'm not sure if we need another 5 pages of people discussing the viewpoints of others.

i appreciate the folks who understood me. i am not lying here. we can do 2 things here. be gentlemen about this and we will possibly purchase your product, i say possibly now because you freaked out over 2 clicks of a link. and let me guarantee you your threats with phone calls are 100% useless to this company. now i can be mean also but i am an adult and i was telling you the truth. i just wanted it to be in place for when we make the purchase. we get extremely few support requests on a sunday night, so i know i'm the only one who clicked your link 2 times before i took it down. so i dont know if you think your some kind of god but if you wanna play games be very careful here. now let us purchase this excellent product and continue like adults. and again, you should be happy people like your product, and simply use your monitoring devise to let potential customers who are actually stupid enough to advertise another companies hosting company a chance to purchase your product. because the way you flipped within a 15 minute period you will get no cash. at least you can make a sale this way. just my 2 cents. anyway sorry once again and have a nice night.

salvatore3, let's assume you aren't lying. No matter what, you should have gotten permission to link to the images first. Doesn't really matter about no visitors, your boss, going to purchase it, etc., a simple request would have been proper.

Enough on that, you didn't ask, it was all a misunderstanding (we're assuming), and we can't turn back time. So be it. Instead of making excuses, you should have apologized and then made excuses. Nothing fancy, just an "I'm sorry, this is what happened..."

I can't help but think this issue is less than it is being made out to be. I don't know how many times the files were accessed (2 times would certainly not be that many), but Vito knows and although we could all sit here and say, "No big deal..." -for all we know the files were accessed 10,000 times.

Vito will have to decide if it is worth pursuing the matter and losing a sale. Hopefully you guys can work it out privately (feel free to email and PM), and try to come to a resolution. It would look better for both of you if you tried this at this point, rather than publicly. Trust me.

I hope we'll hear back that everything has been resolved. Viot asked me to reopen the thread, which I will. You can ignore my suggestion to resolve the matter privately, or not resolve it at all, but I will ask that people stick to the thread topic and refrain from commenting on others' posts, instead of the thread topic.

Peace, Love, Unity :D

I feel for Vito, it's not nice getting cheated out of work you've done. But maybe there is a solution, as salvatore3 offered something in return for the linking. And rochen's idea is highly commentable for future reference.

Originally posted by Chicken
Vito will have to decide if it is worth pursuing the matter and losing a sale. Hopefully you guys can work it out privately (feel free to email and PM), and try to come to a resolution. It would look better for both of you if you tried this at this point, rather than publicly. Trust me.
Yep. You've got a great concept there Vito. Our clients have mentioned your services. We'll be in touch. ;)

I'm sure that your service will be of great value to Accessglobe.net's FAQ page [which isn't half bad], and this misunderstanding can be resolved. :)

Granted, he should've asked you the permission before linking to your creations. However, is it worth it to make all the phone calls and wasting time and energy on disputing this matter any further? As someone mentioned, the bandwidth that he “stole” from you probably isn’t that much to fuss over. I know you said it’s the intention that counts, it still isn’t such a big deal to me considering 5MB (I’m estimating) is not something worth losing a could-be “potential” customer over. Why make such a big deal about it posting here on WHT? The least you can do is clear this matter first with him in private, I’m sure that isn’t hard to do and wouldn’t take that much time as blowing the “misunderstanding” to this proportion.

Just my 2¢.

http://www.accessglobe.net/support.htm

At the bottom of the page, seems like they link to the tutorials there instead of paying also. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by CritticAge
http://www.accessglobe.net/support.htm

At the bottom of the page, seems like they link to the tutorials there instead of paying also. :rolleyes:
I'd say they're a part of the original ones they added to "show the boss" etc.

In the very first post, Veto said:

In the last hour I just received a visitor from www.support-site.com . If you go to that site, you can see that they are linking DIRECTLY to my site. Aside from deciding not to buy from me, they are STEALING MY BANDWIDTH.

Crittic Age said:

Originally posted by CritticAge
http://www.accessglobe.net/support.htm
At the bottom of the page, seems like they link to the tutorials there instead of paying also. :rolleyes:
Wait a second. I thought he just put it up on the support-site.com domain to show his boss? Now we find out they are being linked to from the accessglobe.net domain as well. How many domains does it take to show the boss?

Originally posted by Aussie Bob

I'd say they're a part of the original ones they added to "show the boss" etc.

Seems as though the boss has been looking at them for a long time :o :rolleyes:

The whole page appears a few times on the net:

http://www.coasthost.net/support/domainsupport.php
http://www.accessglobe.net/domain_faq.htm
http://www.pronicsolutions.com/domains/faqs.htm

I've emailed all of them, as maybe one is a reseller of another, but in case one is original and the others are copied, they can sort it out.

I am not assuming anyone ripped anyone at this point, but I will bring it to the attention of all three of them. I don't suggest that anyone else should assume anything either.

your right, you guys are giving me a nervous breakdown over here. that was an accident. nothing like this has ever happened before. it seems like some people on here like to try and ruin companies. i made a mistake and i'm sorry. i fully intended to purchase this tommorrow if vito calms down. we do not advertise other hosting companies. thanks, sal

Originally posted by Chicken
The whole page appears a few times on the net:

http://www.coasthost.net/support/domainsupport.php
http://www.accessglobe.net/domain_faq.htm
http://www.pronicsolutions.com/domains/faqs.htm

I've emailed all of them, as maybe one is a reseller of another, but in case one is original and the others are copied, they can sort it out.

I am not assuming anyone ripped anyone at this point, but I will bring it to the attention of all three of them. I don't suggest that anyone else should assume anything either.
Chicken + Google = a lethal combination. :D

Originally posted by salvatore3
your right, you guys are giving me a nervous breakdown over here. that was an accident. nothing like this has ever happened before. it seems like some people on here like to try and ruin companies. i made a mistake and i'm sorry. i fully intended to purchase this tommorrow if vito calms down. we do not advertise other hosting companies. thanks, sal
I wouldn't worry too much about having a nervous breakdown over this issue. I'm sure you can work this out with Vito. :)

LOL, yeah, but parts are also here: http://www.dodgenet.com/~cbizserv/domainreg.htm

Maybe it is from a registrar's site. I don't know. Doesn't matter to me, I've emailed them, if nothing is wrong, then that will be a good thing.

Like I said, I'm not assuming it is a rip or anything like that. just saying it is the same, which it is, nothing more, nothing less.

i dont know what your talking about now. the only thing i ever did was link to vito for 2 clicks. so you lost me now.

Originally posted by CritticAge
http://www.accessglobe.net/support.htm

At the bottom of the page, seems like they link to the tutorials there instead of paying also. :rolleyes:
This is fixed.
Originally posted by Chicken
http://www.accessglobe.net/domain_faq.htm
This is what I just mentioned, but as I said, I just noticed that a few sites on the net had the same text. That's about it...

Originally posted by Chicken

This is fixed.



Yes, but now it stands to reason if it was just "to show the boss".

Well, one can worry about that, but salvatore has been taking care of the issues, both points have been addressed. Although it would be better if these 'mistakes' wouldn't happen in the first place, at least he's taking care of it.

Originally posted by Chicken
The whole page appears a few times on the net:

http://www.coasthost.net/support/domainsupport.php
http://www.accessglobe.net/domain_faq.htm
http://www.pronicsolutions.com/domains/faqs.htm

I've emailed all of them, as maybe one is a reseller of another, but in case one is original and the others are copied, they can sort it out.

I am not assuming anyone ripped anyone at this point, but I will bring it to the attention of all three of them. I don't suggest that anyone else should assume anything either.

Chicken, thanks for letting us know. ProNIC Solutions is not a fly-by-night operation; we are a very serious corporation (ProNIC Communications Corporation). We are incorporated in the state of Florida. We not only come up with our own graphics, ideas and text, we will FULLY prosecute all those who copy our content.

All our website content including graphics and text have been copyrighted to protect ourselves and to prevent this from happening. As stated above, our intentions are to prosecute these website owners to the fullest extent of the law. We will certainly NOT tolerate this. I would appreciate it if you and other forum users refrain yourselves from making further comments with regards to this issue since we do not want these comments to interfere with our ability to prosecute the offenders.

Thank you.

Originally posted by bert


Chicken, thanks for letting us know. ProNIC Solutions is not a fly-by-night operation; we are a very serious corporation (ProNIC Communications Corporation). We are incorporated in the state of Florida. We not only come up with our own graphics, ideas and text, we will FULLY prosecute all those who copy our content.

All our website content including graphics and text have been copyrighted to protect ourselves and to prevent this from happening. As stated above, our intentions are to prosecute these website owners to the fullest extent of the law. We will certainly NOT tolerate this. I would appreciate it if you and other forum users refrain yourselves from making further comments with regards to this issue since we do not want these comments to interfere with our ability to prosecute the offenders.

Thank you.

A bit off-topic - Bert, are you related to Jeff K. of Orlando? :D

Jeff? Sounds familiar :D but no, I am not ;)

Update:

Dialtoneinternet / Interland legal department has decided that the extent of their actions will be to issue a stern warning to their customer accessglobe.net, and to let us come to a resolution amongst ourselves.

Accessglobe has purchased the tutorials.

Case closed. On with business.

Vito

That's good to hear Vito. Win - win for both sides.

Ars longa, Vito brevis - to paraphrase it a bit :D

Originally posted by timechange
Ars longa, Vito brevis - to paraphrase it a bit :D

Vito brevis? Have you been talking to my wife, timechange? :uhh:

Vito

I meant it as "short-temperered" :D

Phew. That's fine.

Call me whatever you like - just not, well, you know.

Vito

I think Danny DeVito is funny as hell :D