Hey guys,

just wondering if you anyone would be interested in these plans.
This is by no means an advert. I will not post up any URL's.
I'm just wondering if these plans were available to order from an upcoming, not well known host. Would you be inclined to purchase one of these plans?

Also the first month would be only £1 rental this would be seen as a Trial Month hense the cost is only £1.

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Reseller Hosting Plans:
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Reseller RS1
30GB - Web Space (RAID 1)
300GB - Premium Bandwidth
Hosted Domains Allowed - Unlimited
Control Panel 11 /w Fantastico Deluxe
Free Private Nameservers
Free RVSitebuilder
Free RVSkins
Overselling Enabled
Monthly Price: £5.99 - £1 For Your First Month

Reseller RS2
60GB - Web Space (RAID 1)
400GB - Premium Bandwidth
Hosted Domains Allowed - Unlimited
Control Panel 11 /w Fantastico Deluxe
Free Private Nameservers
Free RVSitebuilder
Free RVSkins
Overselling Enabled
Monthly Price: £9.99 - £1 For Your First Month

Reseller RS3
100GB - Web Space (RAID 1)
500GB - Premium Bandwidth
Hosted Domains Allowed - Unlimited
Control Panel 11 /w Fantastico Deluxe
Free Private Nameservers
Free RVSitebuilder
Free RVSkins
Overselling Enabled
Monthly Price: £14.99 - £1 For Your First Month

the £1 promotion would probably gather interest but from the looks of it, you are overselling your space and bandwidth quite a bit yourself. Personally It would probably turn me off IF I was looking for a reseller. But it's just me.

I agree with njoker. £1 for a hosting plan would be nice.
You are giving a lot, but can you handle it?
If you get 20 customers buying the last, 500gb plan, do you have 10,000gb of bandwith to suit their needs?
I would probably not buy any of these plans.

Agreed, it does seem like overselling. You might want to tune down a bit on the disk space and bandwidth allocations.

I'm normally more against overselling but it is of course possible to oversell - so for arguments sake, are those 20 customers (in the example a couple of posts up) actually going to use the 500 GB of bandwidth? Unlikely - plus there are also the hoops in the T&C to jump through before being able to use that bandwidth.. if it's a marketing gimmick and it works then great.

Me personally? The raid 1 wouldn't attract me, there are many shared hosts using raid 10 in their machines for the same or similar pricing. I really think that I would have to go with a more well known provider to conduct my business from.. that's the struggle getting those initial customers.

the £1 promotion would probably gather interest but from the looks of it, you are overselling your space and bandwidth quite a bit yourself. Personally It would probably turn me off IF I was looking for a reseller. But it's just me.

Hey Njoker555.

Thanks for the great comment and feedback. The £1 promotion would be there to make the client feel more secure hosting with us knowing we are so confident about our service that we offer practically the first month free. The £1 is to show us that the client has a PayPal account and can pay for services once the first month is up. It also reduces spam ordering and also of course fraud by giving us a chance to screen the clients payment.

On-top of the £1 for the first month we also would offer a 30 day money back guarantee service (This would apply to the 2nd months service not the first so its fair and not a loophole or marketing gimmick). We are also a Registered Business in the UK and we operate inside of our Data Center as I work there also as a senior tech.

Regarding Overselling, Id just like to comment on the subject, I would bet that almost over 3/4 of the web hosting companies on WHT are overselling in one form or another. This really is the only way for a new host to get started and once there many people are too tempted to keep the overselling going due to the amount of income. We would of course be following suit however in our Terms of Service we would NOT have any "Loop" holes stopping you from using your services unless it's illegal for you to do what you want to use your resources for I.E Warez etc.

Also as a start up we currently have a 42U Rack in our Data Center and 10 Dedicated Servers with the spec: Quad Core 2.4 or higher servers with 5 1TB 32Mb Cache and 16GB memory.

What you have said is fair though and you have raised good concerns as a possible client and so I would be asking that our website points out these questions / concerns clearly to show that we have a very strong network and infrastructure.

Thank You.

You're welcome. And your £1 idea is great, just keep that as is.

But as for overselling, it's not that you're just overselling, it's the level of overselling you are doing. It's not like your ratio is 1:2, your most expensive package has a ratio of about 1:7.

But it does look like you have the servers for it and pointing that out in your website would be a good idea.

You're definitely on the right path with the planning and setups, just keep it up, you'll find something that works perfectly for you sooner or later :)

I agree with njoker. £1 for a hosting plan would be nice.
You are giving a lot, but can you handle it?
If you get 20 customers buying the last, 500gb plan, do you have 10,000gb of bandwith to suit their needs?
I would probably not buy any of these plans.

Hey Stanlee,

You are giving a lot, but can you handle it?
Yes we can indeed handle the resource we offer. We do of course oversell our services but we have the hardware on demand to back us up should we require it, I.E We have in stock room roughly 20 1TB Drives (We order 5 of each per month) and regarding bandwidth we spread it across our server farm so that we are in affect load balancing.

Also I would add that we would limit the reseller accounts per Dedicated Server thus reducing load and also giving more breathing room.

Thank you for your commant and I hope this answers your question.

Agreed, it does seem like overselling. You might want to tune down a bit on the disk space and bandwidth allocations.

Hey igxhost,

Thanks for your input. We are indeed overselling as described in my latest replies but we also have the infrastructure to back this up should we require it.

The reason why we would provide so much resources is basically 101 of web hosting gimmicks everyone knows that most people are greedy so they tend to go with the best even though they don't really need it. Also as far as I can see via my daily competitor research, Overselling seems to be a way of life here on WHT by offering huge amounts of resources reason why I point this out is to just merely mention we would not be the only company operating like this.

Again many thanks for your reply.

As you say many people in WHT oversells, but those are the ones who less sell. And saying this by myself, I wouldn't buy

Me personally? The raid 1 wouldn't attract me, there are many shared hosts using raid 10 in their machines for the same or similar pricing. I really think that I would have to go with a more well known provider to conduct my business from.. that's the struggle getting those initial customers.


Hey ST-Mike, Great to see a fellow scouser here on WHT ;)

Raid 10 is of course a much viable solution and I will consider this when configuring our hardware infrastructure once our website is live.

Thanks for the input, Hope you and all others above had a great Xmas!

As you say many people in WHT oversells, but those are the ones who less sell. And saying this by myself, I wouldn't buy

Hey Deroba,

Like I mentioned above many times we have the hardware to backup HDD requirements, memory and CPU resource usage and also our Bandwidth is shared across all servers with each server having allocated 3TB each. So basically when I say we oversell essentially we do initially but we simply install additional hardware to cope as and when needed. So its overselling at a minimal point.

Also just to mention we have a live web cam in our DC pointing at our hardware and FULL Rack. This is to point out we have the hardware and are not fabricating our claims in terms of our hardware available.

Thanks for your comment.

£1 Plan I like a lot. :agree:

Well personally no since they are located in the uk and I live in the US. However if I lived in the UK sure, they are pretty decent plans. I am the type of guy that will pay a good amount for good service so if the host has good reviews, sure I think those would be more than reasonable.

Hey RN-Carl :)

Just having a little think about it again .. one important factor these days will surely be your website design. This is probably not a good thing but if you had a really nice website design, I would maybe go for it regardless of if you were new - pre-sales is also important. If you had a pretty crappy design I'd look elsewhere immediately.

Based upon the plans alone, yes, but the RAID-1 vs RAID-10 is a big factor for me (like I said, there are a few UK hosts off the top of my head that have RAID-10.

What I meant about loops in T&C with the amount of diskspace and bandwidth being offered is.. would you mind if I started storing a collection of , for example , legal videos or music files there and using the account just as file hosting? For a standard website it would become pretty hard to use up so much disk space and so much bandwidth without effecting other system resources.. by which time the customer wouldn't be suited to shared hosting.

Either way I can't see somebody using 500 GB of bandwidth and 100 GB of space without this effecting your systems in other ways.. dynamic websites and such. So to me, it certainly just seems like a marketing trick and "unlimited" disk space / bandwidth would perhaps suit better.

Just trying to put some thought forward so you can see what I'm thinking :)

I think the prices are a bit OTT.

Hey Guys,

Just a quick mention here, Thanks ST-Mike and HostXNow for your comments.
Whilst taking everyone's thoughts into consideration I have come to the conclusion that everyone here has a much valid point when it comes to the "Overselling" thing. I find it very hard for me to remember when overselling got a bad rep when nearly every single host started out in the same boat as us, Not known nor very big and most of them had no were near the amount of funds we have behind us for our infrastructure. Many hosts started out with a reseller package and then vps and then dedi rental finally ending up were we are launching with purchased owned hardware.

Anyway I thought id just post saying that after your feedback which I thank you all for I will be reducing the bandwidth offered by as much as 1/2 on all plans however I will also be looking at the price. We want to save clients as much money as possible whilst allowing us to grow at a steady pace.

I've also decided to offer a FREE PLAN which offers a good amount of resources in return for a single 1 month review after which time the plan will continue to run for the life of the account or until the account runs out of resources. The plan will also be ad free and not post 2 host.

Regarding the website, lets just say I'm confident with my own design and coding experience considering I've been doing both for over 5 years however I do fully agree that a website design is very important as it shows off your products etc but lets not forget easy navigation, ease of use and also dynamic interactive community content all of which I have ready to go live.

Thank you all for your feedback.

P.S I will be fixing the ratio issue from 1:7 to 1:3 thank you to who ever stated that before ;)