Hello,

Just curious... are you going to upgrade to vBulletin 4 (Gold version to be released before 2010) in the next months?

Thank you,
Jonathan

I sold my vB license so nope =)

Just curious... are you going to upgrade to vBulletin 4 (Gold version to be released before 2010) in the next months?
Even there official annoucements release, in year 2010 only.. not before same :)
Unsure, if you have done your homework before making this question.

But whenever vbulletin forum software script gets upgraded to 4 final, we will upgrade to same, to have best forum support people and plan.

Even there official annoucements release, in year 2010 only.. not before same :)
Unsure, if you have done your homework before making this question.

But whenever vbulletin forum software script gets upgraded to 4 final, we will upgrade to same, to have best forum support people and plan.

From here (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?330343-vBulletin-4-0-Release-Candidate-2-Now-Available):


[Edit] We're also updating vBulletin.com to RC3 on Monday, which is another exciting step toward the Gold release. We are still on track to ship Gold during the week of December 21.


So that's the reason why I'm asking to the WHT staff if they are planning to upgrade the forum to vB4 soon.

I HOPE NOT.......

ITS A COMPLETE PIECE OF GARBAGE!!

It doesnt render well on IE6 (Keeps freezing up,etc)

Im afraid if they decide to disrespect WHT by going to this garbage,i will probably not come here anymore due to all the errors!! (And i think it looks totally disgusting)

Anyone that puts thier site on VB4 when they had MUCH BETTER BEFORE doesnt care about anything in my opinion! (Quality,etc)

I'm not privy to the infrastructure plans for WHT. Historically speaking though, WHT can't really be characterized as an early adopter. :)

I actually find their new design to be extremely sluggish on most browsers, until they fix that I will most likely not upgrade our company forums to vBulletin 4.

I actually find their new design to be extremely sluggish on most browsers, until they fix that I will most likely not upgrade our company forums to vBulletin 4.

I imagine they should have that fixed by the time the code goes gold but there's really no rush to upgrade. :)

I imagine they should have that fixed by the time the code goes gold but there's really no rush to upgrade. :)
Bearing in mind they lost many of the original devs during the buyout/sellout. Things might be a little delayed because of that.

Just to comment on those using IE6...

Upgrade, MS stoped supporting it officially awhile ago, it does not support many of the CSS standards properly. It does not render transparent PNG's.

IE6 is n-2 as far as versions go. Microsoft's official support is N-1. Give it a rest and upgrade, or upgrade to Firefox. But NO one is going to be developing for that browser anymore.

Just to comment on those using IE6...

Upgrade, MS stoped supporting it officially awhile ago, it does not support many of the CSS standards properly. It does not render transparent PNG's.

IE6 is n-2 as far as versions go. Microsoft's official support is N-1. Give it a rest and upgrade, or upgrade to Firefox. But NO one is going to be developing for that browser anymore.
Completely agree.

If you are using IE6, you are contributing to the demise of the internet, and the baldness of many web developers, CLICK THE UPGRADE BUTTON ALREADY!!!! Or just upgrade to a decent browser like chrome (I would say Firefox, but I am getting agitated by its BS as of late).

I HOPE NOT.......

ITS A COMPLETE PIECE OF GARBAGE!!

It doesnt render well on IE6 (Keeps freezing up,etc)

Im afraid if they decide to disrespect WHT by going to this garbage,i will probably not come here anymore due to all the errors!! (And i think it looks totally disgusting)

Anyone that puts thier site on VB4 when they had MUCH BETTER BEFORE doesnt care about anything in my opinion! (Quality,etc
you mean your browser is a complete piece of garbage. don't blame vB for your own lack of upgrading your browser.

I love the fact that vB is to be released soon, and there are already more priority 1-3 bugs being filed, sidebar, sidebar, sidebar... the one thing I want to use is the thing that I can't use.

Anyway, iNET has to ensure modification compatibility and therefore complete success prior to rollout.

Why fix something that ain't broke?

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpost.php?p=3401932&postcount=5

Your answer there.

What new features do we gain from vB 4 that we don't already have? So far I haven't seen anything new that really makes an upgrade seem worth while. The inline moderation tools, AJAX, new postbits, updated style system, and many many other features of 3.5 made it worth the while for us to upgrade, but as of now 4 isn't that much of a gain, in my opinion.


Alex

VBulletin 4 is not a rewrite of VBulletin 3. VBulletin ditched the rewrite. Its a complete waste of time and money.

VBulletin 4 is not a rewrite of VBulletin 3. VBulletin ditched the rewrite. Its a complete waste of time and money.
Amen to that. :) I would surely be disappointed if WHT would upgrade to vB 4. It would be an insult to this site's name and prestigious background in the technology industry.

Won't the new version have security updates?



I can't stand IE6 users. PNG transparency fail.

Why would a major release have security updates whens security updates are standalones? Those who have support on 3.8.x until X date will receive vital updates to their software.

...Those who have support on 3.8.x until X date will receive vital updates to their software.

That's really all that needed to be said.
We get it; you don't like vB4.

I think this question is for Web Hosting Talk and not us. Any information from Web Hosting Talk itself?

The folks that make those decisions don't post on the forums much, but historically speaking, WHT is slow to upgrade forum versions. It's kept as patched and secure as possible, but version upgrades are infrequent.

I just finished testing VBulletin 4 and I'm going back to VBulletin3

Welcome to the site...

One site im on has gone to VB4 (I dont intend on going there i dont think anymore,looks like crap and is slow) another site im on is planning on going to 4....

Totally confusing to me....

I bought a vb4 and its hard to skin really. anyway, I enjoy vb4 as well as my IPB =D.

IMHO, WHT should not upgrade to vb4 not unless if it is necessary (like the end of vb3 and so). I already love the current skin. =D

VBulletin 4 is not a rewrite of VBulletin 3. VBulletin ditched the rewrite. Its a complete waste of time and money.

Actually Jelsoft didn't Internet Brands did.

I don't really see a use for upgrading any time soon. I'm happy with the current status of WHT. But I do think a change in design would be nice.

I like the member profiles. Would also like integrated authentication or at least OpenID if possible, keeping track of all these credentials is such a waste (and don't get me started on roboform or any similar application).

What new features do we gain from vB 4 that we don't already have?

That are worthwile, and beneficial for WHT? Not a single one.
Keep in mind:

When new software comes out it's not always the best idea to upgrade automatically, and it really only comes down to the question of "is it worth it?", or "what does it bring that we need?" So, let's look at the changes in vb4, shall we, as they compare to WHT:

SEO Url's:
With 10s of 1000s of URLs, WHT is pretty deeply embedded as it is, and this won't benefit WHT, but cause problems

New theme:
WHT has had a custom theme since before I joined in '02, theme doesn't matter one bit to WHT, until:

New css and theme management:
This is a huge joke, nothing more, and will definitely cause problems with upgrading

So, all in all, I see no benefit in upgrading. The cost on the other hand is going to be quite heavy. Upgrading the theme, the posts and userbase (scripts probably won't work, due to the ton of customizations in WHT), it's going to take a LOT of time to do.

Why would WHT risk upgrading to something that's not stable, and that devs just rushed out despite the massive number of bugs out there?

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpost.php?p=3401932&postcount=5

Your answer there.

Went digging deep for that one. :) But good answer!

Went digging deep for that one. :) But good answer!haha ... yeah that was a while ago. But it still rather reflects our philosophy.

Will WHT ever update to vBulletin 4? Since the release, I see it has improved quite a bit performance wise. At first I found it to be a little sluggish but now it's starting to appear quite good.

So will WHT upgrade to v4? When?

when it is stable

I stopped liking it a long time back with the v3.x versions. Granted, vB3 is workable and usable however 4.0 I won't be using anytime in the future?

I don't think they should upgrade, it is fine as how it is now

It isn't in the plans now.

Personally, I'm going to upgrade to IP.Board. Or perhaps wait and see what Kier (ex-lead vB dev) is working on (there were some sort of subtle hints in his tweets around New Year!).

Personally, I'm going to upgrade to IP.Board...

isn't that a bit like upgrading from a Porsche GT3 to a Ford Mustang . :stickout:

owm

Will WHT ever update to vBulletin 4?I hope not...It is complete garbage compared to OLDER vb versions.. (Looks like crap,etc)

MyBB is a MUCH BETTER choice (And they have a FREE option)

www.mybboard.net

isn't that a bit like upgrading from a Porsche GT3 to a Ford Mustang . :stickout:

owm

I think I preferred your original comparison ;)


isn't that a bit like upgrading from a ford fiesta to a vauxhall nova. :stickout:


That said, I'm not really sure what the most appropriate illustration would be :)

Many people are moving to IP Boards, the coding on vBulletin 4.0 is rubbish, I'm sticking with 3.8

I hope not...It is complete garbage compared to OLDER vb versions.. (Looks like crap,etc)

MyBB is a MUCH BETTER choice (And they have a FREE option)

www.mybboard.net

Ah Man!!!! Get with the times. Just because it won't render in your 5 year old internet browser does not mean it is crap. VB4 is top notch.

Ah Man!!!! Get with the times. Just because it won't render in your 5 year old internet browser does not mean it is crap. VB4 is top notch.

Are you KIDDING?
Let me (someone who's developed software before) explain to you a bit about WHY it's crap.
Firstly, alpha (pre-beta) testing started towards the end of last year (October, maybe September). It lasted a few weeks, and beta was rushed, then RC in December. For a major software upgrade, this is not an acceptable timeline.

As a result of the rushed timeline, there are countless high priority bugs that are in the system here!!! vBulletin's response? It's ok, there are always bugs in everything, we'll still call it "gold".

vB4 is not "top notch" by any means. The design (architecture) is horrible, the templating is just a friggin mess, the CSS setup is horrific, it's just awful.

You're right, not working on a 5 year old browser shouldn't count for much, but there ARE still people using win 98 out there that can not upgrade, and there's people using XP that WON'T upgrade. You can't just write these people off as "not counting" as a webmaster.

vB4 is the worst thing that ever happened to vBulletin whatsoever. Well, aside from IB taking control of the ship and sinking it.

Hmm seriously? You guys are taking a WHT focused thread and turning it into a flame war about vBulletin.

Jeeze get with the topic, point is, no need to upgrade WHT to vb 4 yet and probably won't be a need until vB5 comes out.

Hmm seriously? You guys are taking a WHT focused thread and turning it into a flame war about vBulletin.

Jeeze get with the topic, point is, no need to upgrade WHT to vb 4 yet and probably won't be a need until vB5 comes out.

True!

They will upgrade when they feel so.:stickout:

True!

They will upgrade when they feel so.:stickout:

I hope that they never feel "so", then :)

I hope that they do upgrade, it'll be good for the community and give vBulletin 4 to shine as well.

I hope not,they might lose alot of members going to that garbage and i dont wanna see that happen!

Ah Man!!!! Get with the times. Just because it won't render in your 5 year old internet browser does not mean it is crap. VB4 is top notch.Its people like you who are adding to the downfall of the internet.. PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOST THE CONCEPT OF WHATS "GOOD"..

I hope not,they might lose alot of members going to that garbage and i dont wanna see that happen!

Its people like you who are adding to the downfall of the internet.. PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOST THE CONCEPT OF WHATS "GOOD"..






If members are willing to leave based on the forum software used, I say give 'em a kick on the way out... we don't need ya.

As for the 2nd comment, lol...

Six months later... I'm curious if there are now plans to upgrade WHT forums to vB 4 (IB has just released vB 4.0.4 yesterday).

:)

Six months later... I'm curious if there are now plans to upgrade WHT forums to vB 4 (IB has just released vB 4.0.4 yesterday).

:)

Then we definitely don't need vB4

Wait till it's 4.05 or higher... No need for 404 errors everywhere :o:stickout:

IMO 3.8 is great, why fix what isn't broke?

Invision Power Board could be a much better choice since you could just convert it but I let my VB license(Leased)expire and I am never going to buy it again. ;)

If members are willing to leave based on the forum software used, I say give 'em a kick on the way out... we don't need ya.

As for the 2nd comment, lol...

Sure, do so.

The barriers to a board like WHT is pretty low, like it or not.
Advertisers are more than willing to embrace another place for advertising.
Users will pick the place easiest for them to use; if VB4 is an impediment to access then you'll see them moving, period.

Personally, my experiences with VB4 has been crap and upgrades have mostly botched the user experience.
There's nothing gained from the upgrade, really.
At this point, VB is merely selling it's goodwill/reputation that was built up over the years by Jelsoft. That is bound to run out unless something changes.

Maybe soon? :confused:

Way back when 3.0.x went gold I moved one of our largest forums from 2.3 to 3.0 and had nothing but NIGHTMARES for weeks. I have since learned my lesson about upgrading to x.0.x branches of vBulletin and my personal opinion is wait till 4.1.x

We may move some communities up to vB 4.0 in the next three to six months but not likely our larger communities. I do not manage the upgrade cycles any more since we have a dedicated dev department but I think they feel the same way. We want to play with some of the new features of 4.0 and get used to how it works before we move major sites into it.

If it ain't broke why fix it? :)

If it ain't broke why fix it? :)
QFT!
A pretty large football game forum I am participating converted to v4 recently, and having all kinds of troubles.

And 4 really doesn't have any features that are going to make a huge difference here...


Alex

Wait, vB4 has features?? Really?

I pretty much like how WHT looks now, as others said in previous page's of this thread is maybe the only change WHT may need is a theme change something shiny brighter moderner...

We may move some communities up to vB 4.0 in the next three to six months but not likely our larger communities.Why bother??

YOU HAVE WORKED HARD ON YOUR SITES,WHY TRASH THEM BY GOING VB4??

There is NO REASON to goto that crap!!! (NONE AT ALL)

Stay @ what we are on now PLEASE!!! (Its much better than vb4!!)

NEWER IS NOT BETTER!!!!!

I have to agree. I have sites on both, and I really, really regret going to vB4 on the one that I did, but if you want to stay relevant in the game, you gotta do it at some point.

I agree with people here saying WHT is fine and good like it is now. :agree:

Upgrading to v4 might just make things even more worse. ;)

Actually Jelsoft didn't Internet Brands did.

Anyone know what actually happened to the Jelsoft crew?
Do they have a new project, or just living it up in the Bahama's :-)

- Vincent

I doubt we'll hear from 'em for a while, due to noncompetes

I haven't heard great things about VB4 so I wouldn't like it if WHT upgraded :l

The only thing I LIKE about vB4 is the mass attachment uploader, much better than the old way of doing things. Other than that, not so much

The only thing I LIKE about vB4 is the mass attachment uploader, much better than the old way of doing things. Other than that, not so much

True but that's not worth an upgrade. Just zip is up and upload. I don't thin upgrading is right for WHT because they have a lot of custom modifications which might not be available in v4. When I first joined this forum it was so modified I could barely tell it's vBulletin.

No and i dont see why everyone feels the need to GET THE LATEST!!!

Prohacker did update one of his sites to VB4 that i used to be on... I DONT GO THERE ANYMORE,it looks horrible!!!!! (When it looked so good before)

Why do people act like Robots and do what Vbulletin wants??

@The_Dude, the new version might have fixed a security hole or a possible one so people tend to upgrade as soon as a new version is out. Although for WHT, I think its better for them stay like this because of the modifications they have made.

At this point I would rather WHT stay as-is. There's no need for change. If you want to use vB4 that bad, go buy it and install it on your own server. :stickout:

True but that's not worth an upgrade. Just zip is up and upload. I don't thin upgrading is right for WHT because they have a lot of custom modifications which might not be available in v4. When I first joined this forum it was so modified I could barely tell it's vBulletin.

Totally agree with this. I think WebHostingTalk Should stay the way it is. its amazing to start with =)

This thread is still alive!?

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vBulletin 4 would've been great as a rewrite from scratch as Jelsoft had planned to do. The new owners have released a pile of crap that is not only not written from scratch, but the parts that were changed seem to have some horribly sloppy coding. I'm letting my vB license expire, and if security issues ever pop up in my 3.x board, I'll just switch to IPB, since they seem to actually listen to their customers.

lol, way to much complaining and whining. Anyone that is supposedly (yeah, lol, bs) letting their license expire, shoot me a PM and I'll buy it... Yeah, figured you'd be keeping it. haha ;)

I personally love vB4! While some features aren't as polished as I'd like, it still kicks the crap out of anything else on the market. And I might be crazy but the Mod development for vB4 seems to be more active then past versions.

I love it!!!!

I cant understand how ANYONE CAN LOVE VB4 AFTER HAVING MUCH BETTER QUALITY BEFORE!!

Anyone that is supposedly (yeah, lol, bs) letting their license expire, shoot me a PM and I'll buy it... Yeah, figured you'd be keeping it. haha ;)

Would you pay for a license that has less than one month left on it? Yeah, figured you wouldn't.

I like WHT the way it is, I don't see no need in upgrading to v4. Atleast not right now.

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Not anymore. :stickout: