As many of us all enjoy the ability to post on boards like WHT and HC, something has take place that initially nothing was going to be said about, however, since the circumstance still remain the same we felt compelled to mention this.

Hosingchat has banned the entire staff of webreseller.net from going on their board. A post recently was put up and when we attempted to answer it, before we could even get to the board itself, the following came up:

You_been_banned

We decided with j**** on AIM and I said "do not talk to me through this way"

We said that we need to reply to a post, he said "tell me what you want me to put and I will do it"

Now we all know that everyone like these boards so they can freely express their opinion and allow the company or individual a chance to defend and/or explain what the problem is. By HC doing this have taken that ability away...

I mention to them that we were going to put a post up on WHT because many of you use HC as well as WHT. we forwarded the post to him and then decided to give him time to remove the block.

His response was "so"

So, over 24 hours later we have decided to post this. We have never posted anything bad on HC and for that matter have very few posts on their board. It's a great board as a matter of fact..

thoughts ??? Opinions ??

Joe still has not reactivated it and allowed us to respond to any posts. Another email was sent to him with no response..

Doesn't Joe work for you ?

No, not any more...

Originally posted by webreseller
thoughts ??? Opinions ??
A whois on the domain shows Joe as the owner. If the owner of the site doesn't want you posting there, then that's about it. There's not many thoughts or opinions on the matter that count, aside from Joe's, as it is his site, his forum, his rules.

I would ASSUME chicken, you being a moderator, would understand why and certainly why it's wrong... It was more important that people know that he does it for personal reasons more so then anything..

Bottom line: He doesn't have to allow you to view and/or post on his forum.

I don't know the reason behind it, nor the issue. If you want to block him from viewing your site, you have the right to do so, and there's nothing wrong with it.

You are missing the point chicken completely... No more need for us to try to explain it to you...

Originally posted by webreseller
I would ASSUME chicken, you being a moderator, would understand why and certainly why it's wrong... It was more important that people know that he does it for personal reasons more so then anything..
I don't understand why, and I don't understand why it is certainly wrong. It doesn't matter what reason he does it for.
Originally posted by webreseller
You are missing the point chicken completely... No more need for us to try to explain it to you...
I'm not sure what point I'm missing.

Originally posted by webreseller
Hosingchat has banned the entire staff of webreseller.net from going on their board. A post recently was put up and when we attempted to answer it, [we were banned].

We said that we need to reply to a post, he said "tell me what you want me to put and I will do it"
As I said, you do not have the right to view and post on someone else's site. He has offered to post your comments, so that is the route I'd take.

Your point (and what you seem to think is wrong) seems to be that you feel you should have the right to visit the site and post there. You don't. What am I missing? Now, as I said, i don't know the circumstances of this, nor do I care to all that much. I'm just telling you the bottom line. It seems you apparently don't want to hear it, but that doesn't change the fact.

You asked for thoughts and opinons and I'm just letting you know that while there may be other thoughts and opinions on the matter, none of that matters. I'm skipping all that and giving you how it is. 400 people could post, "Man, that ain't right!" -and it wouldn't change the fact that it is right (you may not like it, but that doesn't mean it ain't right). Anyway, you don't seem to want my input so I'll let someone else tell you the same thing.

Chicken is right is stating that no matter what you did or didn't do, the owner of the site has every right to ban, block, or whatever to stop you from posting on the site. For the owner owns it. Thus its private property and since its that the owner may chose to do whatever they wish within legal right of the country they are hosted.

Originally posted by webreseller
You are missing the point chicken completely... No more need for us to try to explain it to you...


There is no freedom of speech on the net... So what the hell is up???

You come here bitching about being banned, then you act rude to a mod here when he tells you, that its a private site, and can ban you if you want..


I think you just don't want to hear the truth :D

Hm ... actually ... what did you do to get you banned?
A restaurant owner can't just refuse service to somebody without any reason, can he/she? A gas station can't refuse service to somebody without any reason, can he/she? A ******* can't refuse **** to someody without any reason, can it?

So why did joe ban you? If for no reason, then I will for one question whether I should hang around/check HC ... who knows I will be the next to be banned without any reason?

There must be a reason .... there must be ....

Originally posted by FHDave
Hm ... actually ... what did you do to get you banned?
A restaurant owner can't just refuse service to somebody without any reason, can he/she? A gas station can't refuse service to somebody without any reason, can he/she? A ******* can't refuse **** to someody without any reason, can it?

So why did joe ban you? If for no reason, then I will for one question whether I should hang around/check HC ... who knows I will be the next to be banned without any reason?

There must be a reason .... there must be ....

There are commerce laws about providing a service..

But since going to a website and using its forum isn't a service, because money isn't changing hands then its not covered..

Think of it as a store not having public restrooms, some provide them, and some don't, they aren't forced by law todo so..

Note, some areas do have codes though about restrooms, so its not a perfect example...

Also, you can think of it like a bouncer throwing you out of a bar... If the owner doesn't like your attitude, and is harming business.. They can 'ask' you to leave...

Stores do the same thing with security...

Originally posted by webreseller
You are missing the point chicken completely... No more need for us to try to explain it to you... I think you need to try to explain it to ALL of us.
Do YOU need a reason to refuse to offer your services to someone?
Neither does Joe.

webreseller, you are welcome in my forum :D

Originally posted by Lippy
Chicken is right is stating that no matter what you did or didn't do, the owner of the site has every right to ban, block, or whatever to stop you from posting on the site. For the owner owns it. Thus its private property and since its that the owner may chose to do whatever they wish within legal right of the country they are hosted.

It is something related to this
http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74890
Most of the users of WHT opposed.
It was wonderful decission of the owner of WHT.
Jbiz used to work with webreseller.net... and now webreseller just informed that he dont work with them anymore.
If someone from my company visit the board and if he breaks or violate the rules then he should be banned not everyone. But its totally against the ethics to ban all the staff of webreseller.net from HC.
And there must be reason to ban someone like this is bad.
Mr. Paul of webresller is also Mod of ENSIM forum in HC.
Mods are BAN from the forum....
Chicken you could be the next one...
Rob, if you don't have any prob then could you please post the url of the threat here.
:D:D:D:D

Originally posted by jolly
It is something related to this
http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74890
Although I don't know what it is related to, I can tell you that it has nothing to do with that thread (which was an entirely different issue). That had to do with this forum, the webreseller/HC issue does not.

But its totally against the ethics to ban all the staff of webreseller.net from HC.
Maybe you're thinking that this has something to do with the thread you posted above, but 'ethics' doesn't seem to be relevant to this discussion.

Originally posted by jolly

If someone from my company visit the board and if he breaks or violate the rules then he should be banned not everyone.

Though ethiclly this is right, it doesn't mean that the owner of HC or any site for that matter is obligated to do what is ethiclly right. They own the site, and can do what ever they wish with it within legal bounds of the country hosting.

We will confirm it has nothing to do with that thread, however, jolly was very close..

I'm not sure I understand who works with/for who, here.
As Chicken pointed out, it's Joe's right to decide not to grant you this privilege anymore.
Now, whether it's ethical or not, I really don't know your story but in some cases it may not be so ethical indeed...

Originally posted by jolly
. . . . . . .If someone from my company visit the board and if he breaks or violate the rules then he should be banned not everyone. . . . . . . I disagree. If a representative of a company cannot follow forum policy, the company should be banned.
Or should we allow ***** and **************** and ****** to hire new employees to spread their scams here?

Originally posted by webreseller
I would ASSUME chicken, you being a moderator, would understand why and certainly why it's wrong

Chicken is the guy who banned a former WHT member - one who never came close to violating any of the rules here - for calling him a "putz" on a usenet newsgroup. Assuming he'd understand your point is giving him far too much credit.

That said, any moderator or website owner/operator can ban whomever they want for pretty much whatever reason they want. That some moderators are no more than cowardly petty dictators/censors who wouldn't understand fair play if it came up and bit them on the ass is just an unfortunate fact of online life.

ms

Mick, you should probably back up your post with more details.

Peter

Originally posted by webreseller
It was more important that people know that he does it for personal reasons more so then anything..

One other thing I wanted to comment on..

I don't know how many people over at webreseller.net post here under the name "webreseller", but this whole thing smacks of junior-high school melodrama. As a customer of webreseller.net, posts like this by "webreseller" embarrass the hell out of me, and really make me stop and question whether I want to be associated with someone who stoops to and participates in this level of pettyness.

Rob, if this is you (and I'm not convinced that it is), you need to stop this sh**. You guys are better than this. Much better.

Jbizz is history, and my opinion is that webreseller is a better company for it. What the hell do you care about sour grapes from an ex-employee and being banned from a second-rate bbs? He's insignificant at best, but you have a reputation to nurture and maintain.

ms

Mick any links? I kind of find your story fishy.

Originally posted by ckpeter
Mick, you should probably back up your post with more details.

Peter

I'm referring to "TMX" and the spews wars.

TMX and Chicken were on very opposite sides of the argument. Chicken referred to TMX and other spews supporters as "incompetent", and a few other things which I don't recall at the moment, on these forums.

Later on, in a usenet newsgroup, TMX referred to chicken as a putz. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=9%24--%25_-%25_%24%25-__-%25-%24%40news.noc.cabal.int . He was banned almost immediately.

If you go back and look at those threads, you'll see that TMX and most of the other spews supporters were fairly well behaved, while many of those on the other side of the argument were not. Had Chicken applied the same standards of behaviour to he used to ban TMX from these forums to everyone else who participated, he would have also had to ban about half his buds as well.

Here's the ban notice:

From: "Chicken" <chicken2@webhostingtalk.com>
To: <tmx_wht@tmxnet.com>
Cc: <moderators@webhostingtalk.com>
Subject: Banned


Bob-

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&th=d809f410761957b0&rnum=1

"Chicken is a putz."
"I haven't been back, and probably won't go back...."

I thought I'd help you with that so you can go troll with your newsgroup buddy Annie-mei.
-Chicken
WebHostingTalk Moderator


ms

Maybe since he does not work for you any longer he just does not want you to use his forum to peddle your wares.
His right, your loss.

Maybe you ought to hold your pity party in your own forums, Oh that's right that customer only area with a forum you have been talking about for over a year is still not up. i Is it?

Originally posted by Chicken
....There's not many thoughts or opinions on the matter that count, aside from Joe's, as it is his site, his forum, his rules.
Yep. Where did folks get the idea that speech was free on someone else's site? :)

"People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."

:D

Bah! i can't even be arsed to quote the spews propagandist. But suffice it to say, peddle your idiocy elsewhere.

ban everyone while your at it

Originally posted by Chicken

Although I don't know what it is related to, I can tell you that it has nothing to do with that thread (which was an entirely different issue). That had to do with this forum, the webreseller/HC issue does not.
Maybe you're thinking that this has something to do with the thread you posted above, but 'ethics' doesn't seem to be relevant to this discussion.

Ok why did owner of Rackshack posted for Vote. He could have banned that member of WHT. He is the owner of Rackshack and WHT but he didn't
J**** is the owner of HC and Webreseller staff was also mod of HC. In one or the other way Webreseller was supporting HC from there side.
To ban Mods or any user from board without reason is totally :bawling:
There must be reason to ban anyone from the forum. Like
webreseller said that we need to reply to a post, he (j***)said "tell me what you want me to put and I will do it"
Why J**** is ready to post whatever webreseller wants.... why can't webreseller post whatever he wants to post. It makes it clear that if J*** will post whatever he thinks is right.....
I am totally against of J**** decission.
I think there is something personal about J*** and webreseller thats why J**** didn't gave any reason.
But whatever is the reason its gonna hurt the image of HC........
Chicken so it means you can ban anyone anytime without giving reason.... Will you?

:D:D:D:D

It's the marketing deparmtent that started this thread. Our job is to view forums and if something is said or questions are asked, it's our duty to answer these questions. Jbiz, becuase he no longer works for webreseller, has banned ALL employees at webreseller down to the IP address and has even gone as far as home IP's...

This is wrong, if a post were to go up that said our site was down or there is network problems, we would have NO way to answer it and defend it. This matter was presented to Jbiz and his answer was "so"...

Hostingchat is a public forum, ther are rules, if those rules are broken, the you should be banned, however, you need to distinguish between business and personal, something Jbiz has not done. We are sure that many of you will agree with this...

Originally posted by Mick Seffe

From: "Chicken" <chicken2@webhostingtalk.com>
To: <tmx_wht@tmxnet.com>
Cc: <moderators@webhostingtalk.com>
Subject: Banned


Bob-

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&th=d809f410761957b0&rnum=1

"Chicken is a putz."
"I haven't been back, and probably won't go back...."

I thought I'd help you with that so you can go troll with your newsgroup buddy Annie-mei.
-Chicken
WebHostingTalk Moderator


Heheheheheee that is funny! Ok now:

1) I know this @!*&% Annie-mei character. If this guy that Chicken banned is only half as "Annie-mei" then I can only say: GOOD CALL!!

2) What the **** is a "putz"? :confused: :confused: - IS Chicken a "putz"? And if yes then WHY? The word "putz(en)" means "cleaning" in German and "putz" on it's own is that layer on building walls. Also "putz(a)" is Greek for "****". SO what is "putz"???

3) Anyone who should only SLIGHTLY think about "power-abuse", get that thought out of your head asap. If you are responsible/moderating some 16.000 users things are NOT that easy. I am currently "responsible" in the same way for 42.000 community users and I can assure you that Chicken did the only right thing he could do. Get into his feathers (skin) and you will see it too. I admit for someone that is NOT in his shoes it looks ugly.

Just my 0.10 EuroCents

Cheers :beer:

Originally posted by webreseller
It's the marketing deparmtent that started this thread. Our job is to view forums and if something is said or questions are asked, it's our duty to answer these questions. Jbiz, becuase he no longer works for webreseller, has banned ALL employees at webreseller down to the IP address and has even gone as far as home IP's...

This is wrong, if a post were to go up that said our site was down or there is network problems, we would have NO way to answer it and defend it. This matter was presented to Jbiz and his answer was "so"...

Hostingchat is a public forum, ther are rules, if those rules are broken, the you should be banned, however, you need to distinguish between business and personal, something Jbiz has not done. We are sure that many of you will agree with this...

Though the fact that Jbiz banned all of you simply cause he no longer works for you may be wrong, that doesn't matter. I have been repeating my point constantly. It doesn't matter if you did nothing wrong or if you pissed in his gas tank, he can ban you in any way he wants for any or no reason as he owns it. Though it may have been childish, wrong ethiclly, or even just plain BS it doesn't mean that Jbiz need unban you or even be nice to you. Unfortunatly this is life, and life sometimes(more often than not) is unfair. You just go about living.

Here is my response to this issue:

I am not going to go into the details on exactly why webreseller is banned. There are specific reasons that I have that can not be disclosed, Rob also knows this as I have a NDA on file. Believe me it has nothing to do with me not working there anymore.

I did offer them the right to submit a formal response which I would post on there for a specific post. They choose not to. In regards to emails, I will not get them as webreseller and all emails to both private emails and yahoo are blocked and banned, and have been since mid october.

In regards to the IM conversation, Here it is:

WR: Joe,I do not think it's right that you have banned us from your board, considering that mean we are unable to defend negative posts...
Joe: excuse me
Joe: please do not contact me through these means
WR: We will be making a post on WHT that you banned us then...
Joe: ok
WR: have a great night
Joe: bye
Joe: if you want to make a formal response to the post I will put it up there for you
WR: No, I will put what you are saying to me now on WHT, thank you :)
Joe: thats fine with me
Joe: you had your chance then, please follow all future contact through my attorney, thanks and good day

Banned Webreseller IM Name

If robert and or any of the webreseller staff has a problem with this please contact my attorney, which they have on file.

Beyond that, no other member of HostingChat could possible duplicate the situation that I have with webreseller, so there is nothing to worry about, and believe me, my reasons are just and with good merrit.

Thats about it, sorry I cannot be more detailed. To me this issue is closed, webreseller is not going to be reinstated because of this post, as the problem has not changed because of this.

Joe

You stated:
Hostingchat is a public forum Correctly stated, Hostingchat is a privately owned forum, open to the public at the discretion of the owners.

That is the point, the only point. Doesn't matter if they are "fair", "justified", "reasonable", or anything else. The public has no inate rights, only the privileges given by the owner, which the owner may change for any reason he desires. Again, only the owner has "rights." The public has only those "privileges" granted by the owner.

Originally posted by Mick Seffe
Chicken is the guy who banned a former WHT member - one who never came close to violating any of the rules here - for calling him a "putz" on a usenet newsgroup. Assuming he'd understand your point is giving him far too much credit.

That said, any moderator or website owner/operator can ban whomever they want for pretty much whatever reason they want. That some moderators are no more than cowardly petty dictators/censors who wouldn't understand fair play if it came up and bit them on the ass is just an unfortunate fact of online life.

ms
Mr. Seffe (a.k.a. Bob - little slip up in this thread (http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58427)), you might allow trolls to post garbage on your site and other sites however we do not. The fact that Bob (you) wasn't (weren't) bright enough to figure out that if he (you) was (were) a troll there, he'd (you'd) be banned isn't my problem. He (you) should have expected it, not whined about how he (you) was (were) wronged at a place he (you) didn't want to go to. Boo-hoo. Fair play as you (Bob) say.

You're posting at a forum you don't want to go to and have been banned from under another name and I'm the coward? *snicker*


Regarding the thread topic, since Joe has posted a comment, I think this issue is dead. Webreseller needs to contact Joe if they wish to pursue the matter. There is nothing we can do for you here.